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Matthew Gibbons - York A.R. and AntiFa Police Informant

Animal Liberation Central Intelligence Unit | 15.09.2009 23:22 | Animal Liberation | Sheffield | World

Matthew Gibbons - York A.R. and AntiFa Police Informant






The Animal Liberation Central Intelligence Unit has recently discovered information concluding that Matthew Gibbons, (now) formerly of York Action for Animals and York AntiFa, has been acting as a police informant. (For information purposes only, Gibbons' details are  pizzamatic@hotmail.com //  mattgibb@talktalk.net // Mob: 07590 922288)

When he is not sat in his shop getting overly drunk and adding people he doesn't know on facebook (yes, one of those people with over 2,000 'friends'!), or being the lone 'vegan' working at the York branch of Pizza Express, Gibbons is passing details of actions and groups onto his handler, David Hall at North Yorkshire Police. Information passed on concerns both York and Leeds Antifa, plus Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty.

If yo thought it couldn't get any worse than that, you were wrong - Gibbons is now an active member of the fascist football hooligans English Defence League!

We have attached a number of images of Gibbons, so please circulate them and beware of him.

EMAILS BETWEEN GIBBONS AND THE N.Y.P.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: Hall, David
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: Leeds - DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL

Hello David,

Please do not reply directly to this email, other people also have access to my computer. I would like to recieve an acknowlegement, however, do not include any substantive detail.

The event in Leeds, that I have previously told you about, is of course to be on the 18th of October, and not the 8th of October - I think that I may have passed on the incorrect date in error due to imperfect keyboard typing. - It is definatly on the Saturday.

The neo-nazi 'British Peoples Party' (Kevin Watmough and Kate McDermody) are planning to hold a racist anti-'hip hop' demo outside HMV in Leeds city centre - the word is that this is just a pretext for a fight with anti-fascists.

They are in for a big shock.

No matter how many 'hard men' they bring along, they will simply be outnumbered, anti-fascists have already begun distributing leaflets in York and next week plan to give out leaflets and mobilise support from the Black areas of Leeds and Asian areas of Bradford to encourage people to be in Leeds city centre on the 18th to confront the racists.

It has almost got to the point of no return, and the only way that I can think of, that complete chaos can be avoided is if the Police find some pre-text to forbid the racist demo from going ahead and dis-bar the BPP from Leeds city centre on that day. (and crucially, let it be known that this is what has happened).

I plan to be in Leeds on that day - let me know if there is any info that I could obtain that could be of use.

I hope that this info is useful, and I hope that you take this email in the spirit that it is sent.

Matthew,

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From:  pizzamatic@hotmail.com
To:  david.hall@northyorkshire.pnn.police.uk
Subject: Political Information - THIS EMAIL IS IN STRICT CONFIDENCE
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:04:09 +0000

Dear David Hall,

You may not recognise this e-mail address, however, I am Matthew Gibbons of [Personal info removed as per:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/privacy.html#Personal_Information].

At one stage I was providing information to the North Yorkshire Police Intelligence, however I have lost the mobile number that was given to me to contact them with information.

So I am contacting you, in strict confidence.

I have just returned from the anti-fascist demo in Leeds city centre (13/06/09)

Although I have not been involved in the political scence for the last 6 months or so, I attended the demo and filmed most of the event, both with covert hidden video cameras that were in my bomber jacket and also in my basball cap, as well as an overt camcorder.

Although it is generally accepted that the West Yorkshire Police lost control of the the demo at one point, and up to 500 protesters took charge of the streets of Leeds for a brief period of time, the police were by and large, well behaved, except for one incident when a mature police officer assaulted a 16 year old boy by grabbing him by the scruff of the collar and shaking him - not too serious I know, but I have the entire incident captured on video.

I am in the process of creating a video of the day to publish on 'you-tube', however I will not publish this incident at this stage, for tactical reasons

THE REASON THAT I AM CONTACTING YOU NOW

is that I have now made contact with the Leeds anti-fascist "Anti-Fa" cell. ( www.antifa.org.uk ) and I am now privy to various bits of information that may of of value to the police - for example the plans for Leeds Antifa to involve and recruit the support of the Leeds United Football Club supporters group and in particular, the notorious "Leeds United Service Crew" football gang who apparently are about to declare themselves anti-fascist and against the BNP and ready to take on and fight any football team supporters, including West Ham or Glasgow Rangers (fascist/orange)

On the demo, in Leeds, I was followed around by "Mr Scrivens" from the 'Forward Intelligence Team' (FIT Team - photo and video available) - even after the event he followed me into a pub and asked how my girlfriend was doing - clear harrasment - however in the spirit of co-operation I will not follow up on this matter at this stage.

Please can you ask the Police Intelligence Unit that I was previously involved with to get in touch with me because I have information that they will be interested to hear - I now have a new mobile number, it is 07590922288.


Regards

Matthew.

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Subject: RE:
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:48:39 +0100
From:  David.Hall@northyorkshire.pnn.police.uk
To:  pizzamatic@hotmail.com

Matthew,

Many thanks for feeding this into me and I am very appreciative of your kind assistance.

It is quite pertinent in so much as I now head up operational policing for NYP and therefore any insight into such tactics is particularly helpful. Accordingly I will be grateful for any further information of this nature.

As you know from our previous dealings I am very much an individual who wants to ensure that we police protests at the right level and in recognition of fundamental / lawful rights to do so. With this in mind I am very happy to maintain our dialogue in the future.

Best wishes,

David

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Animal Liberation Central Intelligence Unit

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nice work! if he is in the EDL I expect it is as an informant

15.09.2009 23:42

Nice investigation work, assuming all of this is true and isn't an elaborate troll!

If he has joined the English Defence League I would think it is to infiltrate them rather than to support their politics. Seems like he has burnt his bridges in the York area now though - maybe he will move and pop up somewhere else.

James Bond

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Non news

16.09.2009 07:37

Seems that Indy has now been dragged into the little spat at the York Animal Rights group. Mathew is not a grass, I've known the man ten years but he is in the middle of a relationship break up that's turned ugly.

Faked emails like these have been cropping up on a couple of AR boards as well but have been removed when the reality has been explained. In short Mathew's girlfriend found out he was seeing somebody else, the relationship ended with a big argument and now revenge is upon us.

Perhaps the mods could hide this post and we can all hope the two people get their lives back on the straight and narrow

Thanks

Person sort of involved

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FUCKING BULLSHIT

16.09.2009 07:47

WHOEVER WROTE THIS ARTICLE IS A PATHETIC TURD AND A LIAR.

WE KNOW WHO WROTE IT & THEY WILL PAY FOR IT

DONT BELIEVE THE LIES PEOPLE

the truth

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Luke

16.09.2009 08:24

The email is a fake, and this is a set up.

Looks like the handiwork of one Mr Luke from Leeds - propaganda and lies - don't believe a word of it.

More Truth

this is true

16.09.2009 09:31

i can vouch for the fact this is true we were recently also made aware of this situation, looks like this lot got the look in before us. WELL DONE!

agree

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MORE BULLSHIT

16.09.2009 10:26

WHOEVER IS PUTTING UP THIS BULLSHIT BETTER HAVE A VERY GOOD BODY GUARD BECUASE YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN.

MORE BULLSHIT

Can the poster

16.09.2009 10:26

explain how he go hold of these emails? I am naturally a little skeptical and it would help to clear this up.

Intrigued

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Dont believe a word

16.09.2009 10:41

This is a complete set up - the emails are fake.

A complete load of bullshit - looks like part of a smear campaign - as if the "Animal Information unit" or whatever could access genuine emails.

Genuine informants never work via email - and so this must be a fix up job.

Dont believe a word of it

Sceptic

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oh come off it !

16.09.2009 10:45

Nice work ? - Nice work of fiction more like.

Sticks of a set-up if ever I saw one.

Realist

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also intrigued

16.09.2009 10:51

This story just does not seem to ring true. There is something wrong here.

Sceptic

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more garbage

16.09.2009 11:16

this is the biggest load of crap ever.

more garbage

More Info

16.09.2009 11:16

I think it is very important that this information is verified by the poster or defended by Matthew.

Someone could very easily invent something like this about someone (for whatever reason they have) to make others turn against them. Equally the information could be true, and so everyone needs to be aware for their own security.

The problem for us as readers is that we need to know whether this is information is true - maybe an explanation as to how the emails were obtained, or more proof if it is available as to how the informant was discovered?

Also, if this post is made up, then Matthew needs to speak out about it, and tell us what the truth is. He needs to explain what if any police contact he has had. If it isn't true he needs to tell us more - does he know who has done this to him / what the motive is etc...

Basically we need more information, as I am sure like many - have no way of knowing what is true.

Anon

Spreading the message...

16.09.2009 11:35

Also published on Northern Indymedia at

 https://northern-indymedia.org/articles/168

watchyourback

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So funny

16.09.2009 12:14

So you think the plod communicates with its grasses by email ?????

This is so obviously fake it's untrue.

Bystander

It's taken a long time

16.09.2009 12:24

Certain hard core AR Activists in the north had very strong suspicions over Gibbons at least 12 months ago and as a result had to go to ground , the movement suffers in more ways than one through scum like this, he came across as a pratt when he burst on to the scene from nowhere, he changed his ethics overnight after meeting a female activist. ALWAYS be suspicious of people like this.

Mr Magoo

Re:

16.09.2009 12:32

I do not think that this article needs any more speculation about whether it is true or not. Emails have been published by the ALCIU which appear to be genuine. Obviously they are not going to reveal their sources so as to protect them and keep any persons passing information on about informants anonymous.

Use a bit of common sense!



Concerned Northerner

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Oh come off it

16.09.2009 12:43

The emails are fake - it is a set up.

Sceptic

emmm

16.09.2009 12:43

he was never trusted by those in the real know, guess the shop kypo or was it ky-pooo wasnt making money so he turned to grassing.

stu

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Witchunt

16.09.2009 12:49

There must be alot more to this than meets the eye - I don't believe a word of it - the emails look fake.

If he is innocent you are all going to look stupid - I met him a while back and he is not actively involved in any politics and hasn't been for well over 18 months - hardly the actions of a grass who would be going to meetings and getting involved.

This all looks wrong - I am deeply suspicious of this whole story.

Dont believe everything you read

Hell has no rage like love to hatred turned...

16.09.2009 13:03

The information and photos could only have come from someone who has been very close to Matt. It is rumoured that his relationship with his partner and business partner at Kyipo is on the rocks so could she be the person responsible for posting this?

Anonymous Up North

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A quick check revealed - - - - - -

16.09.2009 13:30

No officer of any rank named David Hall is at North Yorkshire police, the email " david.hall@northyorkshire.pnn.police.uk" is not recognised by their server and the address does not come up on any directory.

Obvious disinformation

Lax

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@anonymous up north

16.09.2009 13:40

You are getting closer to the truth - there is alot more to this than meets the eye - and all is not what it seems.

The person that faked the emails has admitted it - but now is the time for calm, and to wait for the truth to emerge.

more details soon.

In the know

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Quote from the Editorial Guidelines

16.09.2009 13:41

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Inaccurate: posts that are inaccurate or misleading.
WELL IT'S NOT TRUE SO WE CAN TICK THAT ONE



Personal attack: Articles and/or comments that contain abusive language against other activists or site users. Please make your point without resorting to personal abuse.
A PERSONAL ATTACK ON AN INNOCENT INDIVIDUAL

WHEN WILL THIS LIE BE HIDDEN ?

it

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Sue for libel

16.09.2009 13:49

As Indy mods have been in and hiding some of the posts about this article a case can be made that they have reviewed and approved it. When the inevitable claim for libel comes along (as it will in a case as open and shut as this) I'm sure the individual here will have no problem in showing that Indy cannot hide behind the "Open Publishing" defence.

I would suggest this fairly obvious load of claptrap is hidden quickly

Street Lawyer

Truth

16.09.2009 14:21

Well - oh dear.

I can honestly say that I am not, never have been and never will be a police informant.

I am aware of the faked e-mails and I know who wrote them - they are a work of fiction. They were faked 6-8 weeks ago and used against me as a threat by someone that knew my email password they are not genuine at all - they were written at a period of time when emotions were running high, and do not contain a single sentence of truth - they are not genuine and were used to threaten me- the situation was all sorted.

If any of my actual friends wish to contact me, via email or facebook, then I can provide further details and corroboration.

I have received several messages of support from genuine friends who know that this story is a non-story, just a load of bullcrap put up by someone who is unaware of all the issues involved and thinks that they are being clever.

Well at least I know who my real friends are now - the truth will come out over a short period of time, and some people that have posted here are going to look pretty stupid. I will accept your apologies from the comment posters, but whoever posted the original story should hang their head in shame.

I will not hide, I will not go away, I am innocent of this and the truth will come out in the long run.

Matthew

The emails are written in his writing style

16.09.2009 14:25

This is very odd, but it also seems genuine. The emails are written in his writing style, using the sort of language you'd expect, so this is certainly concerning to hear that he has accepted the blue giro....

someone who knows him

Tony White's Spies

16.09.2009 14:42

I bet he's a mate of Tony White....Lol

Grass Cutter

@someone WKH

16.09.2009 14:51

Yes, they were written by "someone who knows him" - so of course my "style" is pretty easy.

I know it is nice to have a witchunt, and be a bit of a bully - but I am sorry to piss on your bonfire and tell you that this is not true.

The truth is that the emails are fake, and I know where they came from - close friends know who wrote them.

I am not going to hide - I am not an informant.



Matthew

@someone WKH

16.09.2009 14:55

If you are genuinely someone that knows me, why dont you message me or call me and talk about it to get the facts before you post up ?

Matthew

Hang your head

16.09.2009 15:00

Matt, whether people decide to believe you or not you will never be trusted, your name is now shit and you are looked upon as a grass, not all within the movements which you stand accused of betraying are as easy going as the majority of us. Keep looking over your shoulder. In certain faiths you would be shot up the bottom !

Vegan Melody

ER.....

16.09.2009 15:03

OK Matthew, I don't know you at all.

But could you tell me why you have an English Defence League shirt on.

Surely that's not a mockery as well is it?

Fancy dress?!

Dave

@Vegan Melody

16.09.2009 15:17

Well perhaps I will never be trusted by people like you, who seem to be able to believe half-truths and jump to quick conclusions without hearing the full story.

The full story is personal, but I have no doubt whatsoever that my name will be cleared and close friends know where this whole story has come from.

DON'T CARE if I have lost a few 'friends' because they were obviosly not genuine friends in the first place - unlike my REAL friends who actually took the time and trouble to call me up or email me to ask what the hell was going on!

So Yes, Vegan Melody, there are people I can trust and who trust me - you are obviously not one of them - and you will look pretty stupid in the long run.

Matthew

Answer please ?

16.09.2009 16:08

Remember you getting pointed out to me on an Anti BNP demo in Leeds, something about you been involved in York afa Many years ago , Couldn't remember your face at the time but will be checking up due to the photo....Can you please answer why you have an EDL shirt on ? heard some rumours that an ex AFA person is involved, be nice to clarify before the word goes out in other circles about you , regards COG

concerned of gipton

@concerned of Gipton

16.09.2009 16:54

First things first - I am not a police informant - I never have been a police informant - I never will be a police informant.

contact me to discuss further.

This whole story is a load of bullcrap that has been put up by someone that is trying to look clever, but who does not understand the bigger picture.

The emails are fake and were written by a Third Party in order to frame me and threaten me, but the whole situation was sorted out 6-8 weeks ago.

Until now.

Well - Concerned of Gipton - here is the challenge - If what you say is true then you will know how to contact me - do so,

Matthew

EDL shirt

16.09.2009 16:59

Well I think that this one single pic is the reason for the smear campaign against me.

The emails are fake - the whole thing is a load of bullcrap - I know where it all came from.

I am not a police informant and never have been.

But I know who my REAL friends are now.

Matthew

Pizza Express

16.09.2009 17:01

By the way - I dont work at Pizza Express - another load of bullcrap - the whole story is made up.

Matthew

Service crew declaring themselves anti-fascist?

16.09.2009 17:12

This bit has got to be bollocks at least.

Leedsman

Shame on you !

16.09.2009 17:21

You complete and utter dim wit, you clearly don't know the difference between your arse and your elbow, once a grass always a grass, Midlands activists had you sussed a long time ago, rot in hell Gibbons !

ALFie

@Leedsman - Bang on Mate !

16.09.2009 17:29

Exactly my friend - proof that the emails are fake - anyone can see that they are a load of crap.

Glad you spotted the obvious error - this is a set up - the emails are a work of pure fiction.

There is alot more to this than meets the eye.

Matthew

@Alfie

16.09.2009 18:06

Keyboard warrior

Midlands activists sussed me out long ago eh?

What shit - sussed me out for what ??? - for not going to meetings ? for not getting involved ? for working hard and not doing anything political ???

Jump on the bandwagon why don't you - get lost.

No wonder innocent people get convicted for crimes they didn't commit.

I dont even know any Midlands people- so you are obviously talking shit.

Matthew

why are you wearing

16.09.2009 18:44

so.....

??????????????

an EDL shirt?

Actual truth

16.09.2009 19:00

I know exactly who fabricated and falsified the emails. I know who wrote the fiction.

The emails were writen 6-8 weeks ago as part of a domestic, and were used to blackmail me into calming things down. I know exactly who wrote them, and I forgave her then.

So now some jumped up twat thinks that he is being clever by exploiting a domestic dispute that was resolved many weeks ago.

I am not a grass and never have been, these emails are fake and I can prove it.

Goodbye all you bullys that have threatened me for something I have not done.

Matthew

Answer the question ?

16.09.2009 19:07

Why are you wearing the EDL shirt or is that a fake also ? ...Come on Mate give us a clue..regards ...COG...

concerned of gipton

Antifa Plant

16.09.2009 19:16

I reckon he is still a member of AFA, been sent in to spy on the EDL and someone on the Left not in the know, after seeing him in the EDL shirt has assuned he has changed sides and therefore made the bit about working for the Police up so it will ruin him.

Grass Cutter

Leedsman

16.09.2009 19:19

Just because he (possibly) bullshitted about knowing what York Antifa were upto doesn't mean he isn't a grass! If he lies doesn't mean he's not an informant, it's more likely if anything. Note how he holds onto that 'fact' without pointing it out himself - hilarious!

As Dave, 'concerned of gipton' and 'an EDL shirt?' pointed out: WHY THE EDL t-shirt? No answer explains how he's obviously an informant for AR, anti-fash and the fash (or just fash). Funny to hear the commone excuse "message me or call me and talk about it" though.

Good call on the West Yorkshire AR lot for uncovering this. The reason I know it's you lot is because nobody calls Animal Rights (A.R.) anymore, just a tip ;-)

Lawnmower (a common grass cutter)

What utter bollocks from Matthew

16.09.2009 19:25

Funny isn't it how you are blaming your girlfriend in an attempt to cover up the truth - ie you are a dirty grass. There is no excuse for grassing, at least have the guts to own up to what you have done. As part of a domestic? Another load of bollocks, you had the domestic about 6-8 weeks back apparently, is that why the emails are dated further back than that? Is that why the language used is different depending on the person, ie your buddy David Hall responding to your grass info.

And, as everybody else says, what about the EDL shirt? It clearly isn't edited on, it's absolutely perfect in imagery.

Once a grass, always a grass.
Once a fascist, always a fascist.

Don't try to lie yourself out of your actions and be an adult - take responsibility for what you have done and don't try and blame it on others. Or as you said, "The truth always comes out"! The only reasonable thing you've said so far!

Now fuck off!

Animal Libber

@animal libber

16.09.2009 19:52

You fucking joker.

Have you any idea how many thousands of pounds of my own money I have put into the shop?

I took alot of hard work to get the shop up and running.

Oh and as for being a grass ?? - not guilty my friend - we all know who actually wrote the emails - the pure work of fiction.

Just admit it - you fucked up! - you thought that you had a justifiable victim.

but it all cocked up for you when I turned around and started telling people the TRUTH.


Oh yes - and all you AR people - just be aware of this - I know exactly who made up and wrote the fiction emails.

Do you really want me to tell everyone - right here on the internet - and the cops and the EDL and the ALF exactly who wrote the emails????

push me too far and I will do .

Matthew

Billy Liar

16.09.2009 20:09

I've just had this matter brought to my attention. Firstly I really feel sorry for anybody who is a decent activist and who had the misfortune to meet this liar.
I had the misfortune to work with Matthew Gibbons in the finance industry, he is a dirty, sneaky cretin with no morals and is all for personal gain. I feel for anybody who has suffered through his colaboration with the state.

Mr mister

Matthew

16.09.2009 20:12

What? So you're going to grass?!

That's not surprising is it EDL boy!

Animal Libber

Matthew spotter

16.09.2009 21:44

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=gqo6B32ncFw

Matthew is the guy in the black bomber jacket and blue jeans with a facemask that apprears between 00:35-0045

Yes - he used to be a hero

C,mon Matt- what is the next one ????

Archivist

We have no way of knowing if "Matthew" in the comments is genuine!

16.09.2009 21:56

Indymedia is a troll's paradise. We have no way of knowing that the original story is true or not, and no way of knowing if the person posting here as "Matthew" is the person mentioned in the story!

I could easily post a message here saying OK I admit it, I am a grass, and sign off as "Matthew".

It sounds like the story could be true, but we have no way of knowing that. As someone else pointed out, a troll from the opposition could easily write similar stories about genuine activists.

anon

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poo poo

16.09.2009 23:26

lol you are all losers. If you spent your time working rather than bleating about the state you wouldnt have to moan about being poor lol!

adam

Gibbering gibbons

17.09.2009 07:30

ARCHIVIST ! No way is that Gibbons in the video, I'm sad to say I know this piece of shit quite well, he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. He may wish he could in time to come.
Not long ago this arsehole was encouraging young activists in to direct action in his own backyard making a sorry excuse it was too close to home for him to do anything and would have to be in a public place at the time of any actions or some shit.
Its all VERY believable, the EDL shirt puts the nail in his coffin.

Jack

Concerned.

17.09.2009 10:56

It is certainly interesting, and good go either way. There is no way of knowing what is genuine or not, Indymedia is open source and attracts lots of trolls, fascist or otherwise.

It may be an idea for the said groups/organisations to investigate this themselves (which I'm sure will be happening), and release a statement (not through indymedia) stating the truth.

If Gibbons is an informer then he has hell to pay. If this is somebody playing silly buggers then they have hell to pay.

Stay vigilante comrades.

Nazi Hunter

This is a set up and a fix.

17.09.2009 13:22

Like I have said before, these emails are fake and the story is a load of crap.

Matthew

EDL Shirt?

17.09.2009 14:06

Like I, and numerous others, have said before, 'why the EDL shirt'?

You have avoided this question god knows how many times now.

It looks VERY bad indeed.

Just answer the question if your so innocent.....

Dave

Some observations.

17.09.2009 15:37

As has been pointed out, we have no way of knowing if the claims made in this story are true or false. Matt and his partner are ethically inconsistent in many ways but I don't know if this extends to Matt being a crypto-fascist. Without much better standards of evidence I'm not going to take sides on that particular issue but as a former customer of Kyi-po I will offer a few random observations which may give an insight into their characters.

Matt and Sarah are regular visitors to the Indymedia website so it is highly improbable Matt is still unaware of this story even if he is not the person posting here as Matthew.

Some time ago (I think it was towards the end of last year) Sarah Larkins (Joint owner of Kyi-po and Matt's partner) told me that the shop was not taking enough money for them to make ends meet and that Matt had taken a second job to supplement their income. I asked her what he was doing and she said he was working as a manager at Pizza Express. I thought this odd as it seemed a very unethical thing for a vegan to be doing but had no reason to doubt her word. Either she was lying or the person posting here as Matthew is lying as both cannot be telling the truth. Someone should check this with Pizza Express as we need an answer.

You will notice from the top photograph that Kyi-po sells cigarettes. Matt and Sarah swore they would never do this as they had concluded it would be totally unethical due to the manufacturers having contracts with the likes of Covance and Huntingdon Life Sciences. So how do they justify selling them now?

A few months ago, Sarah Larkins handed a stray pit-bull / Staffordshire terrier type dog to the York dog wardens (Who are the scum of the earth) condemning him to almost certain death. Not something you would expect someone who claims to believe in animal rights to do and the main reason I stopped doing my shopping at Kyi-po.

Passing trade and tourists aside, Kyi-po's regular customers are typical of the sort of people you might reasonably expect to find frequenting a vegan food shop. Educated, middle class and broadly leftist. Just the sort of people who would be outraged by anyone expressing sympathy for the far right. Why then does Matt appear to be hanging around outside the shop in an English Defence League tee shirt? Is the photograph genuine? If so, we need some answers from Matt.

In Matt's defence I will say that on the occasions he served me in the shop he never expressed any sympathy with fascist, nationalist or racist groups. Quite the opposite. In fact, he came across as an old school left wing agitator.

York vegan

Pizza Express

17.09.2009 18:26

"I asked her what he was doing and she said he was working as a manager at Pizza Express. I thought this odd as it seemed a very unethical thing for a vegan to be doing but had no reason to doubt her word."

Why? People need money. I'd agree if it was McDonalds, but people have to work. I've eaten at Pizza Express and told them not to put cheese on it, am I wrong to have done so?

AR

Racism

17.09.2009 19:40

I personally do not know the reason why Matt has started being a police informant, but it is somewhat apparent that he is. I do know know if it is through mental illness, his growing alcohol issues or just plain vulnerability. They are also reasons why I would suspect it is truthful about him getting involved with facism and the EDL. This is also backed up by the racist joke on his facebook profile about people in Britain not being able to speak English, something the fash use on a regular basis to back up their arguements.



Poster

observations

18.09.2009 14:07

the copper he's informing to held authority during the minors strike, what a scummy man eh? check his face on the link at the bottom.*

I have some information to report david, your "infultrator" is a blatent fantasist nutter, whom has been odbvious for a long time.
besides, you'd need paying SERIOUS money to tap that shit. you all know what I mean.
on that note, remember to stay away from his missus (sarah larking of YAFA) if you havent been anyway.
its not acceptable to fuck a grass, she's a loud mouth anyway.


*"David Hall, found himself in charge of coordinating the national operation to police the strike."
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/content/articles/2009/02/24/yorks_lincs_s15_w7_scargill_video_feature.shtml

rabbit (likes to eat the grass)

@AR

18.09.2009 14:15

Yes, people need money but there is no excuse for vegans to be working in occupations directly connected with animal abuse. We are supposed to be fighting the meat industry, not providing it with our labour. If we were to follow your logic we might as well say it is acceptable for vegans to work in fur shops, slaughterhouses or vivisection laboratories. Being vegan is about a great deal more than what one eats and demands commitment to very high standards of personal ethics.

As for eating out, I certainly wouldn't want to eat anything that had been made in a kitchen where animal products are prepared and don't feel I've missed anything having never eaten in a Pizza Express.

York vegan

@ York vegan

18.09.2009 15:04

Almost every shop in the UK sells animal products, do you only buy from vegan companies? Will you only work for vegan companies? Do you never eat out with non-vegans?

AR

Re: What Bollocks!

18.09.2009 18:20

I've sat through and read all these threads and no ones offering solid proof.

I find it very sad that many anarchists who saw fit to post are no better then the dickheads who write for papers like the Sun.

No wonder the average person avoid anarchists and other left wing nutters on here with the behavious and attitudes I've seen in this thread.

I can't think of one person who hasn't had the same kind of tactics used here against them on this and other sites in cyber world.

If no one can offer solid evidence them maybe Indymedia should close this thread until some one comes up with the solid evidence one way or the other,

I bet right wing nutters are loving this thread?

Anti Fascist And Proud

In the know

18.09.2009 19:57

Gibbons is a nutcase, he will join any cause that's currently 'popular' it's only 6 years since he was eating meat everyday and preaching facist nonsense, his family are fash through and through. Meeting Sarah Larking was his reason to get involved in Animal Liberation and veganism. Two crackpots and welcome to each other, good ridance to rubbish. Hang your head in shame scum !

Stiggers

York Vegan shops in TESCO

18.09.2009 20:09

Most of the comments York Vegan has put up are rich coming from a man who does his weekly shopping in TESCO ! ! A shop Sarah & Matt boycott too btw!
Tesco being the ones that in their Hungarian stores sell foie gras , in their stores in China sell live turtles that have their heads smashed to pieces on the shop counter, need I go on? Yet York Vegan quite happily gives TESCO his money for items he can easily get elsewhere including in Yorks only fully vegan shop but chooses instead to buy them from TESCO. Sarah pointed this out to "Duncan" on many occasions but he laughed it off & when she asked him what it is he buys there and offered to get it for him , she did buy the stuff in but he left it on the shelves, using the excuse that he already has some! Which in turn says he choose to continue buying it from Tesco!
TESCO of all places !!!

Sarah & Matt didn't want to sell fags and booze but none of their friends or fellow vegans in York went in their shop nor supported them , so they had no choice but to sell stuff the general public wanted, after almost 18m of resisting and having huge York city centre rent bills to pay. And in doing so, I know for a fact that by non vegans coming into their store for booze& fags were introduced to vegan food & have since started buying vegan food and saying how good it is.

They only ever tried their best with the shop but none of their friends support them , all they got was the cold shoulder & grief for opening a shop , a shop that introduces veganism to the general public!
Now their lives have been put in danger all thanks to so called friends for something that isn't even true.

Well done people!

About York Vegan

domestic

19.09.2009 07:46


Don't forget Sarah Larking's (aka Sarah Ford) role in all of this. She is the likely source of the e-mails, as stated by a previous poster. She is the only one with the necessary proximity and access to the e-mails (clearly original). She also had a motive after the 'grass' was assaulted by her and had her arrested by the police. She originally tipped off her contacts in the AR movement about Matthew telling them that he could not be trusted. It is believed that Matthew and Sarah 'cut a deal' with the police following an unsuccessful campaign against a York business

 http://www.thepress.co.uk/search/2108838.Animal_rights_pair_held/

Her continual relationship with Mr. Gibbons is clear evidence that she is a willing collaborator and fellow informant.

very concerned

Oh yes he did!

19.09.2009 08:45

Up until a couple of weeks back Gibbons was on the pay role of Pizza Express. So his girlfriend was right in one sense. As for him being a manager! you're having a laugh - front of house greeter and table seater more like - clear case of 'Delusions of Grandeur'.

If Gibbons can lie about something as innocuous as working for PizzaExpress then what else can he lie about? Seems that Gibbons is not the only liar. As VERY CONCERNED has already pointed out Gibbons is not the only one involved in deception.

Larking is as deluded as her boyfriend.

Birds of a feather and all that!

summer sun

@ about york vegan

19.09.2009 08:52

It sounds like your comments are coming from Sarah and Matt themselves. I have heard Sarah make exactly the same arguments on numerous occasions. Could it be that Sarah and Matt themselves have made the comment.

No surely not, they are both too upstanding and honest to do something like that!!!!!

very concerned

@ matthew - 16.09.2009 19:52

19.09.2009 09:19

"Have you any idea how many thousands of pounds of my own money I have put into the shop?"

Yes absolutely nothing. If so, where did your money come from? not from honest work - not from your employment history - working for a pizza chain and a dead end job in the finance industry. Or perhaps the real truth is that the blue giro has paid very well over the years - you GRASS

It is a well known fact that you live in your elderly parents flat sponging off anyone who is stupid enough to pay you the time of day.

Some people seem to have you well and truely sussed. Let me add my sentiments to that of MR MISTER - you are a dirty, sneaky cretin with no morals and only out for personal gain.

I also know you well enough to be certain that you are a GIBBERING GIBBON as recognised by JACK -17.09.2009 07:30. No way is that you in the video. I'm sad to say I also know this piece of shit VERY well, it is absolutely true that he 'couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag'.

You are a GRASS no doubt about it, if not for any other reason than to give your sad life some meaning and pupose and to make you feel self-important. The only thing that I am surprised at is that you have been able to stop yourself bragging about it and trying to get yourself SUPERGRASS status. You are a GRASS and you know it.

billy bob

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Guilty as charged

19.09.2009 10:55

billy bob and co have it in a nutshell...
GRIMEY GIBBONS, GUILTY AS CHARGED, NOW, WHAT PUNISHMENT SHALL I IMPOSE........................................

Mr Mister

@ About York Vegan (Aka Sarah Larkins)

19.09.2009 13:07

"...but none of their friends or fellow vegans in York went in their shop nor supported them"

"They only ever tried their best with the shop but none of their friends support them , all they got was the cold shoulder & grief..."

Yes, and now we can all see why. What a dangerous and poisonous individual you are. I wish someone had warned me that you were unhinged before I made the mistake of patronizing your shop. If these allegations against Matt are true, then all I can say is you really deserve each other.

York vegan

What is happening here?

19.09.2009 16:38

If the e-mails were faked (who by?) it's a disgrace to use the AR movement or the Antifascists to get back at someone, if you give a shit about these movements you wouldn't even dream of doing something like this.

If the e-mails are real (most likely scenario) then Gibbons has been exposed for who he is. Wearing his EDL shirt he looks like a right tool, and we suspect that's exactly what he is, unhinged, keep away from the pair of them.

YorkAR

The EDL shirt. . .

19.09.2009 17:14

. . . kinda concludes it for me.

The emails could be real, or fake. If real, then Gibbons deserves a kicking. If they are fake, then whoever has fabricated this whole sorry tale and published on Indymedia deserves a kicking - it paints AR and Antifa activism in a negative light - as one poster on here has stated, if this person really cared about these movements, they would never have used them to humilate someone. I suspect the emails are fake and the poster is probably his partner as they have been having domestic difficulties. . .kinda backfired for you hasn't it???

I'll be avoiding the pair of them from now on and I suspect others in the York area will shun them too. Impossible to plan activist activities with people when the trust has gone. . . . . . .

Yorkie

Larking

19.09.2009 22:37

If the emails are fake, I don't think they were faked by his girlfriend as she is about the only person defending him right now.

Someone who knows.

Mr Fact

20.09.2009 09:03

Fact : Gibbons was raided by the plod over Christmas/ New Year 2008 as a result of making threatening phone calls to a restaurant in York selling fois gras, the daft sod made them from a contract telephone in his name.
Fact: Back to the wall, Gibbons was 'turned' by the state , the other option was a custodial sentence
Fact: At a time when activists were been locked for breathing in the wrong direction, Gibbons kept his liberty.
Fact : The low life turned Grass, scared of the thought of custody.
Fact: He is scum.

FACTS

Update

20.09.2009 11:22

Both Matthew and Sarah were beaten up in the early hours of this morning. Matthew was stabbed in the stomach and Sarah was stabed in the stomach and left breast. They are both currently in hospital recovering from their injuries

A relative of Matthew

OMG!!

20.09.2009 14:14

More crap from Sarah. Anything else you'd like to tell us? Are you selling EDL shirts in your shop?

YorkAF

This is true.

20.09.2009 14:23

When they arrived they were surrounded by a team of bodyguards and minders.

At least one of the minders had a swastika tatoo.

Some of the bodyguards appeared to be very professional and we were told that they worked for a private secutity firm paid for by Sarahs father.

They were both transfered to a private hospital within 20 minutes.

NHS nurse

please stay off the grass

20.09.2009 14:32

We're supposed to believe that someone got through a group of minders and bodyguards and managed to stab the people they were protecting - somehow it just doesn't ring true at all

stick to the paths

eh?

20.09.2009 14:48

Your distration tactics aren't working. Just goes to show that the truth isn't out there. It's right here in those e-mails!!!

Smokeandmirrors

Re:

20.09.2009 16:40

What a load of lies. The other day Larking called up a local activist friend of mine and claimed Matthew Gibbons had committed suicide, which at the time was ousted as a lie gone too far. Now apparently he is still alive and has been stabbed.

What the hell is going on inside this person's head? It's a good job no activist will associate with them both, just another bunch of fruitcakes. Anyone remember Suzanne Jaggers?!

York Activist

It's all gone a bit Suzanne Jaggers

20.09.2009 17:23

Can we have the hospital address so we can send some flowers? Or do we have to contact NYP for that information?

HalifaxAR

I am infact

20.09.2009 18:01

sarah Larkings long lost sister ;)
 http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/269458/?type=display

Suzanne Jaggers

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Matthew Gibbons is not even British

20.09.2009 18:41

He is a white African that was born and grew up in Nigeria, he is currently living in the UK on a Nigerian passport which is why he is unable to claim any benefits.

Investigator

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Plenty to eat

20.09.2009 19:05

There is a very strong resemblance between Jaggers and Larking and a combined weight of around 200 kilos, lots of flesh to get through although the fat will be unpleasant. As for Gibbons, I will snack on his brain, there may just be a mouthful.

Hannibal Lecter

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This doesnt surprise me

20.09.2009 19:39

It really would not surprise me if he had done a deal with the coppers, he is one of the biggest importers of Cannabis into the UK, and earns several millions of pounds per year, he can easily afford to pay for a couple of bouncers.

Observer

Spade for Mr Gibbons...

20.09.2009 19:45

I have tried to remain agnostic on this, even when I caught wind of this information a good week before it was released on Indymedia, I was like 'Well I've only met him a few times, bit shifty, but then again the AR movement does attract a few nutters, myself included." :P

Even on the fascist shit I've tried to keep an open mind. I know his girlfriend tried to do a hatchet job on his life a while back, who knows maybe she photoshopped EDL logos...

But having Larkin call someone up, saying that Gibbons had killed himself, then a few nights later magically come back to life only to be stabbed by Nazis...

This is not the behaviour of someone who is mature or serious about proving themselves innocent.

I would conclude then that if the original allegations about grassing are FALSE, then at the very least Gibbons and Larkin have since then acted in sch a way as to completely ruin any trust in their honor and sanity and that they are too volitile and dishonest to be of any worth to the Animal Rights movement.


If the allegations are TRUE, then snitches get stitches.

Someone who knows people

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What is your proposal?

21.09.2009 00:49

Recently there has been involvement of the left with the Vestas struggle, so it isn't true that unemployment is ignored, it just isn't something that is frequently reported on Indymedia.

What this analysis doesn't offer is any idea of a way forward - do you have any ideas on this, or do you just think the 'left' should produce a magical response?

Personally I have never understood this desire to have a boss or to be part of an economy that rapes the planet.

non wage slave

to be completly honest

21.09.2009 10:06

I'm sure matt is a grass, but the weird thing is, i'm fairly sure that sarah will be loving all the attention, thats why she's "been stabbed" and why "matt's killed himself" and why "theirs a £500 bounty" on a certain some-ones head.
their a set of nut cases and they deserve each other as far as I'm concerned.
besides we've all heard of the little girl who cries wolf....

noone

apparently

21.09.2009 10:10

apparently "theirs only 2 people in animal rights who I couldn't have" matt.
you and your mythical hunt-sab group mate?
I wouldn't count on it...

lol-monster

It runs in the family.

21.09.2009 13:42

Don't forget Sarah's other long lost sister, Lara Saunders. She was as mad as a hatter. Killed herself with no thought whatsoever for the dogs she left behind.

www.muenster.org/MS-York/NewsYorker/NewsYorker2.pdf

Genealogist

LARKING AROUND

21.09.2009 14:08

Sarah Larking waged a mad campaign against an northern activist 'Steve' a few years ago, she ran to the plod screaming all sorts of bizarre accusations. The poor guy had a visit from the plod at his home and as a result left the campaign scene, she caused him loads of embarrasment.
Can't see Gibons being innocent in this though, he was assesed as a troll some years ago.

Not So Funky Gibbons

The truth please.

21.09.2009 15:00

Whilst I still accept the possibility this story is genuine, it is looking increasingly like some sort of private domestic feud between Matt and Sarah gone horribly wrong. If that is the case it has no place here on Indymedia. If Sarah was behind the original post and this is indeed some sort of hoax, she should be thoroughly ashamed of herself for bearing false witness, abusing Indymedia and trivializing animal rights and anti-fascist campaigns. She (And Matt) obviously know the truth and as they don't seem to have much left to lose, perhaps now is the right time to find the courage to provide us with a full and honest account of exactly what this is about.

York vegan

i have it on good authority

21.09.2009 15:29

their was information in some of the leaked emails, that would have only been known to a privileged few. I bore witness to one encounter which he reports, and no-one else their has any involvement in the leaking or publication of this post.
although the information is not overwhelmingly sensitive, it is extremely unlikely anyone else would have known that the encounter happened.
he wrote the emails, therefore logically he's a grass.
its natural to want to defend someone, especially when they have at some point befriended you.
the evidence is pretty overwhelming.
the person accused by Matt and Sarah of posting this has received threats that "EDL skinheads are gonna beat you up", matt seems to have commit suicide, only to be revived to be stabbed in the chest, and I've heard unconfirmed reports they now have a panic button installed in both the shop, and their home.
the cop exists, and works for the correct force, his email isn't posted anywhere, so i don't know how else the poster could have obtained it, and i have friends who've seen this in email format.

domestic gone wrong? - maybe
a police grass exposed - definitely

and btw, why can't we read hidden comments on this post?

Re Lara Saunders

21.09.2009 15:53

Whilst for whatever reason Matt has been an informant and Sarah certainly appears to play a major part in this whole sad story could people please not refer to those with mental health problems as "nutters" used inn this thread as though they are of less worth?
Lara was a freind and yes she could be utterly fraustrating, very manipulative and she pissed a lot of people off (including me and in fact I could no longer cope with her problems) but she would also throw her heart and soul into demos when she was well and was an excellent cook. She would often seem eager to please and make reparations for when she was in a bad mood when she was well. The fact is she threw herself out of a window 3 floors up after her boyfreind died in 2003 and had a serious poblem with addictions.She was in her early 30s and I fail to see how this is in any way amusing, she was like all of us an activist who died a horrible lonely death.
Many activists get depressed, turn to drink and/or drugs, get PTSD, commit suicide etc, it could happen to anyone, does an activist who has a breakdown after seeing so much abuse and violence somehow become subhuman, a figure of fun? Whilst I am not suggesting that we all take on all the problems of activists who are mentally ill because this can be overwhelming maybe we should be more sympathetic?

Lynn Sawyer

@ Genealogist

21.09.2009 21:47

you quite clearly don't know the story here so don't dirty the name of someone who died over six years ago by dragging her into it, Lara was a friend of mine and the inquest into her death concluded that it was not known if she had taken her own life or if it had been an accident. The only dog she had at the time was Bonnie who was already being cared for by the parents of her boyfriend who have to my knowledge had him ever since, this whole Matthew/Sarah thing is sordid enough without dragging other people into it.

serious issues aside - its better than corrie this!! i wonder what the next installment will bring!! is their shop still open? i might pop in for a bottle of white lightening and a tin of mung beans!!!! i dont shop there as I would rather mix with the mainstream than cut myself off into some overpriced vegan eutopian bubble!

York Person

Comment

22.09.2009 09:38

I was disappointed to hear about all this, Matt and Sarah have both been friends of mine for quite some time. I think we need to realise that we can learn some lessons from this episode. I do feel terribly sorry for them, but at the end of the day they seem to have brought this all on themselves.

Paul Blanchard.

Former York Labour Councillor and winner of the Peta most progressive politician award.

Paul Blanchard

@ btw

22.09.2009 14:34

Don't worry, there's no way I'm going to defend Matt and Sarah. Whatever the truth of this story is, any credibility they had has been shot to pieces and no-one will associate with them now. I'm just being cautious and trying to be open minded because I'm not too comfortable with the idea of trial by Indymedia. A lot of crap gets posted on here and you can never be quite sure what to believe. I think we can rule out a stitch-up by fascists or animal abusers though because as far as I know, Matt is not a prominent figure in any movements and would be a very unlikely target for a smear campaign. That leaves two possibilities. This is either a malicious act by his partner or, as you suggest, the story is true. One thing I do remember is that when I used to shop at Kyi-po I would wind Matt up by telling him I thought he was a copper. I was joking but there was definitely something that made me feel uneasy. I really should pay more attention to my instincts.

York vegan

@ Genealogist

22.09.2009 14:41

I knew Lara Saunders. I think she may have been a manic-depressive as her moods were very unpredictable but apart from that she seemed quite sane to me. She was certainly a very dedicated campaigner and it's a bit unfair to drag someone into this who is no longer here to defend themselves. I realize this story is bound to attract a few trollish comments but someone committing suicide in despair isn't remotely funny.

York vegan

The truth is sometimes stranger than fiction

28.09.2009 23:51

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=gqo6B32ncFw

I can vouch for the fact that Matthew is on here between 00:35 and 00:45

This was in his younger days. I have watched this situation unfold and do not believe a word of accusations against him. I am sure that the accusations come from the over-active imagination of a teenage boy from Leeds who has always wanted to hit the big time in activist circles but never quite made it.

I retired from work several years ago - but I can remember meeting Matthew, he liked to have a drink but was idealistic and full of energy, he always wanted to have his own business, I remember when he was a gardener, and how proud he was when they opened up their corner shop.

Old Labour

ANYTHING that comes from a computer cannot be trusted...

29.09.2009 04:15

ANYONE can use someone elses's computer. Something that comes form "the same computer" etc does not necessarily come from the same PERSON.

This all looks very dodgy to me and could be a set up.

anon

Copwatch

29.09.2009 20:02

Now then now then! Is that video evidence of our Matthew beating someone up? I doubt it! Maybe out of a paperbag!

Why don't you both just own up to what's happened? And explain yourselves.

PC McTroll

Just doesn't ring true

30.09.2009 14:39

There is something about this story that is not quite right.

Did the ALCIU hack the emails and gain the info through their own hard work ? - I doubt it.

Was it handed to them on a plate ? - if so then then they are being played and there is almost certainly alot more going on behind the scenes than they and we are aware of.

Were they faked (most probable) ?

It just does not seem to fit, I don't believe that he is a grass, I do believe that there is something wrong here and he has been set up.

Bakunin

ANTIFA Statment

01.10.2009 09:47

I just saw this on the antifa England site www.antifa.org.uk

25/09: Antifa Statement on Police Informant Matthew Gibbons
Category: General Posted by: Admin
We are releasing this statement in support of the one already issued by the Animal Liberation Central Intelligence Unit (see  https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/09/438057.html) naming Matthew Gibbons of York as a police informant. In clarification, Gibbons has made several attempts over the past couple of years to become involved with Antifa England.

When he discovered he could not simply do this by e-mail he appears to have got cold feet. While Gibbons may (or may not) have recruited antifascists locally, he has never been part of the Antifa federation in any way, shape, or form. Nor has there ever been an Antifa England group established in York. In view of Gibbons’ total lack of involvement with us, he has been reduced to simply telling lies to his police handlers. That however, does not make his treachery any the less serious.

We doubt that Gibbons’ recent overtures to the fascist English Defence League are any more sincere than his past overtures to Antifa.

In conclusion, we are fully satisfied that the Animal Liberation Central Intelligence Unit are correct in naming Gibbons as a police informant and applaud their willingness to make this information public. We advise activists in York and elsewhere to give both Gibbons and his partner Sarah Larking a very wide berth.

Antifa England

 http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/index.php?itemid=195

Aunty Fay
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YAFA info

02.10.2009 21:52

I have just returned from tonights YAFA meeting - attended by 8 people.

The entire situation was discussed, Matthew was not present so that we could have a free discussion.

There are several points:

We all know that the Antifa statement is not entirely correct, Matthew did not attempt to join Antifa via email, as they claim, he knew that it dont work like that, but we all knew he was setting up his own group of street-fighters under the old York AFA name, deliberatly seperate from Antifa, but possibly with some common ground, but seperate none the less.

We know that he has recruited several pairs of hands, and formed a political cell - based on his old links and people that he knew from growing up in York.

It looks like his cell defected to the EDL, thinking that the EDL is a non-racist right wing group, but we are not sure about all the details surrounding this development.

The YAFA meeting refused to convict Matthew and we do think that he has been set up, The decision was taken to temporarily go quiet on this issue, and remain in contact with Matthew and even invite him to the next meeting, which will be a public meeting to continue the discussion and shed some light on the whole situation. - when we have confirmed with Matthew, we will confirm the date, time and location of the next meeting.

York activist

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No Comment

03.10.2009 01:58

Luke Steele is the person behind the fake emails - London Antifa are furious with him for dragging their name down and making Antifa look stupid.

I am going to attend the next YAFA meeting, which will be a public meeting, and I will expose the teenage testosterone and immaturity from Luke Steele that has lead up to this whole situation.

I will prove my innocence and show that I have been framed - I have copies of the original "Word Documents" that were used to create the e-mails - the Word Documents all have exactly the same author and exactly the same date of creation.

The text that appears on the Word Documents is identical to the text that appears in the fake-emails.

I will agree to attend a public meeting in York and prove my innocence, if the comment posters on here also agree to attend and personally apologise to me when I prove that I have been set-up and framed.

Matthew

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I think you'll find...

03.10.2009 09:20

... That Mathew did try to join ANTIFA via email, the emails was seen by many.

Mathew until London ANTIFA release a statement to say they are furious with anyone I dont think its approriate for you to speak on their behalf.

Also Mathew there is still the question of whats with the EDL top? If you really defected to them without realising their true nature then you sir are an idiot! Why would anyone try top get into a group without finding out about them first?

What YAFA do is up to them but at the moment there's no evidence for me to believe that Mathew is innocent.

Once again, WHATS WITH THE EDL T-SHIRT?

Leave it out

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I have had enough

03.10.2009 10:13

I did not write the above comment that appears to be signed by me, also some of the earlier comments signed by 'Matthew' were not written by me.

The comment signed by Paul Blanchard, was not written by my friend Paul Blanchard.

I think that several of the comments on this story are written by people who are trying to stir things up.

I have had enough of this, and will not read this story, or re-visit this page again - if anyone else puts up a post under the name of 'Matthew' it is not me.

If YAFA or anyone else wants to have a discussion, then go to facebook, email, text message or mobile, at least that way I know who I am talking to and you know it is me.

I will not return to this page.

The real Matthew

Madness

04.10.2009 18:11

'It looks like his cell defected to the EDL'

Madness, what are you all on about?

Convict

Thank God!!!

04.10.2009 18:26

Thanks Yafa, that's cleared all that up then.

Phew

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You Must Think People Are Thick!

04.10.2009 18:36

Re post by York Vegan - You must think people are thick!

It is most certainly not the case of Antifa getting their statement wrong, but more somebody along the lines associated with their personal interest in Matthew lying (hmm, who could that be?!).

York AFA defecting to the EDL! That's the biggest joke I've ever heard. AFA (Anti-Fascist Action) is run along the same lines as Antifa, ie going out and giving the fash a good kick in. Anybody involved in that would be aware that the EDL are a fash organisation, with links to the NF and BNP (no matter what their latest press statement claims). Even if it was the case, they must be stupid. AFA / Antifa is against FASCISM, the EDL are against "Muslim extremists" - different things altogether.

Do us all a favour and go lick matthew's arse a bit more will ya, see what other shit comes out of it. It's a joke!


ACAB

Watch Out - neo-Nazi and State Trolls about

07.10.2009 11:08


Beware taking anything on Indymedia on face value.

There are more trolls on here than an episode of Lord Of The Rings (:

Troll Destroya

"York Activist"

07.10.2009 19:30

Yet another psuedonym Matt?!

What a joke you are.

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Show us the printouts from the emails

22.10.2009 01:00

And what the fuck is the Animal Rights Central Intelligence Unit?

As for Matthew wearing the EDL t -shirt...what about these? :

Dave Gardner - Animal Rights activist and BNP.
Charlotte Lewis - Animal Rights / SHAC activist and BNP.

Why are all of the people in SHAC white?
Why were Asian and Black people in London SHAC chucked out for spurious reasons?
Why are all the people in most of AR white?

Is Matthew the only one?

What is really going on?

I think that Matthew has been cleverly set up by the "Animal Rights Central Intelligence Unit" [MI5] whatever the fuck that is.

Anyone can use anyone else's computer that's why the damn things are so dangerous. Handwriting can be faked. The EDL to shirt needs to be explained but thwn let's face it he's not the only one in AR....

anon

I recognise him

29.10.2009 21:47

He is ex-army, I recognise him and he is a poacher, squaddies will know what I mean.

Gibbo, you monkey ? Call your old mates.

Poacher

He is a Poacher , I recognise him as well

15.11.2009 00:01

Yes, I remember him, he is deffo ex-army.

Anglian

Boxing Champ

30.11.2009 14:59

Matthew is currently the North Yorkshire Light Middleweight Amateur Boxing Champion,

He won the title last night.

Skin

latest news

02.01.2010 01:09

The latest news is that Gibbons is currently in possetion of a XXX XXXXX plus ammo and has a team of 4 that provide private security contracts in London, minimum fee of 100,000 per month (yes you did read that correctly) the minimum fee is One hundred thousand pounds, with security guaranteed. and a revenge option for the customer for double ups.

Explains why he is not in York very much these days

Bakunin

All very strange...

10.03.2010 08:33

What in heavens name is the animal intelligence unit anyway? MI5.

anon

What a load of crap! Matthew is innocent.

10.03.2010 15:42

Whoever did this has it in for Matthew and he has done nothing wrong. This is all a fit up.

anon

Sounds like a 'nice' girl

08.04.2010 13:35

 http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/5061367.Goodramgate_shopkeeper_attacked_bailiff/

I wouldn't want to mess with her. This girl is the real problem here... she has a history of hitting out. Ask Matthew himself! his only porblem is that he upset her. She vented her anger in the only way that she knew how and now he is too scared to get out of the relationship, just in case a similar thing happens again. You have my sympathies Matt. Be strong!

john

Larking at bay!

12.04.2010 07:17

 http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/1366904.Horse_show_protest_anger/

Violent trouble is never far away, when Larking/Ford is at bay!

I agree with John you don't have to look any further than Sarah Larking/Ford to see where the info came from. Anyone who knows her recognises her evil violent ways. Any friend of her needs to watch out, don't upset her or cross her as you are likely to receive similar treatment. She has little respect for the law as her history of violence shows.

Matt is a fool, not for getting involved with her but staying involved with her. What sort of hold does she have over him? only Matt knows. In some ways he is a braver man than me as I would not want in the same town as her let alone a few feet of her!

Paul B.

The "Central Intelligence ALF Unit" [or whatever] is a stupid little boy.

13.04.2010 05:10

The so called "intelligence unit" is a stupid little boy from Leeds. A skinny, skeletal in fact, spiteful little boy with matchstick arms and a sneer. In a one on one fight Matthew would flatten him so little Leeds boy has to have a go at Matthew on Indymedia like a coward and a bully.

Silly little Leeds boy has grassed on his own brother and probably most of antifa and animal rights. He is an embarrassment to animal rights and to Antifa.

As for the rest of it...this whole thread should all be removed.

A agree with Lynn, there is far too much bullying in animal rights that leads to distress and the perpetrators, the bullies, then taunt the people they have victimised.

Each of you who has done so is disgusting.

Leave Matthew Gibbons and his girlfriend alone.

anon

Now we hear the truth

13.04.2010 16:57

Oh dear Ms Larking somebody seems to have your number. What goes around comes around or something like that.

bakunin

More on Larking

13.04.2010 21:30

Larking is definitely a thron in the sid eof anyone who meets her. Not only has she caused prolems for te young activists mentioned in earlier posts- which I can vouch for as being true. She has and continues to cuase trouble others. matthew would appear to be one in a long lists of @targets'.

She will stp at nothing to make her point. She often acts in a misguided and ill-judged way. She alwyas has advice for others on every issue whether sought or not, she is always right and will never apologise even when cleraly wrong. She claims the moral high ground so often that she often get vertigo and falls off ending up in the gutter where her real moarls lie - that's she really has any at all. If matthew was as hard as he likes to make himself out to be he would have kicked her into touch long ago. i do not see the appeal that she has for him. She got him caught up in this unsavoury situation and then hid herself. he is a fool she is calculating. She wears the trousers and pulls the strings. there is no doubt in my mind that thte whole thing is true. But matthew is not the perpetrator, he is just an unfortunate tool in a manufactured smear campaign by Larking herself.

My message to Matthew is 'wise up' - have a good long hard look at what is in front of you. Do you really like waht you see?

Mark

This is more like it!

13.04.2010 21:51

Now we are getting somewhere, this is more like the truth. She tried to fit me up once and implicate me in this whole incident. She passed the e-mails to a freind of mine and they eventually found there way onto this site. they ar 100% true and the following comments are just a way of backtracking after the coupe tried to salvage there broken relationship.

To be absolutely sure what i am saying.

1. Matthew and sarah made a failed campiagn against the Blue Bicycle and turned police infromants

2. Matthew did wroie the original e-mails.

3. Sarah fell out and assaulted Matthew.

4 sarah accessed the shared computer and sent the e-milas to people that she knew would be most affected by them

5. Mathhew has always been linked with groups such as the EDL

6. matthew has always been a wannabe and has nevr had any real influnece in any movement he has been involved in.

7, Matthew and sarah get back together.

8. matthew and sarah throw red herrings and sppof postings to cover ther tracks.

'nuf said

Luke

Oh come on now! who do you think we are?

14.04.2010 12:28

Matthew you can sign yourself - a relative of matthew, NHS nurse, Matthew, the real Matthew or any other pseudonym that takes your fancy even anon, but some of us know how transparent you really are.

If you keep replying to postings then you are not going to be left alone. Your poor attempts at disguising who you are only add fuel to the fire. Your latest outburst is a typical example of why things are still continuing to be posted here. It was your inability to keep quiet in the first place that caused you the trouble that you (deservedly) got. Have you learnt your lesson? NO!

Time is the greatest healer. Let things lie then maybe you and Sarah Larking may be left alone.

DR Doctor

Time to move on

15.04.2010 23:00

It's time to for us all to move on this is old news.

Matthew and Sarah have!

They have moved out of the vegan food business and moved into the off licence business specialising in truffles (yum). Ky-Po to Gluggles

They have moved out of the flat in Haxby to move into a flat inthe city centre.

They have moved the RSPCA gerbils into Sarah's gerbil mansion.

As long as they move on from their trivial animal rights campaigning and leave it to those of us that are serious about animal welfare then I will be happy.

Keep moving

Little Miss Vegan

I'm waiting

16.04.2010 18:45

You can think whatever you like about me Matthew Gibbons, but I will not be bulleyed or intiminated by you or your frizzy haired girlfriend.

If you want to meet up then please do. You know how to contact me. We can then see if you can follow through on your claims.

Bring it on Matthew Gibbons.

But you know that will never happen because if nothing else this whole thing has shown up to be a cowardly nobody. You have no support, you are on your own. You know the original postings were true, as does your girlfriend as she is the one who passed them on to me. She knew that I would do what is necessary i.e. expose you as a grass. I don't care what has happened to you as long as people are aware that you cannot be trusted. If this has forced you from the Animal Lib scene then this is a victory. You were and still are just a nobody who is full of hot air.

I look forward to hearing from you... with a time and a place.

Luke

It's time

16.04.2010 18:49

Now that the initila 'who-ha' has died down is it not tiem that you put your hand up and told the truth Matthew. You might have been misguided in the first place but now is the time to tell the truth.

Vegan Melody

Leave Matthew Gibbons and his girlfriend alone.

16.04.2010 20:11

I will be happy to leave them alone I wish I had never met them especially that Sarah Larking.

If that is what they want then I hope that they do the same and leave the rest of us alone. Do not contact us. Do not ask us for suppport. Do not expect us to frquent your shop. Do not complain when we don't visit your shop. Do not get involved in our campaigns. Do not belittle those who do not agree with you. Do not have anything to do with us.

In fact, leave us alone!

leave me alone

Barmy not army

16.04.2010 20:14

He's not army just barmy. In fact he is a knob. He brings shame on the EDL shirt.

non-poacher

let hear it

16.04.2010 20:18

Come on then Matthew you said the truth will come out i the long run. Well now is the long run so what is the truth. Grass or not?

We are waiting to hear! so let's hear it.

smokescreen

Quack

16.04.2010 20:31

@York Vegan shops in TESCO 18.09.2009 20:09

I love Foie gras. How do you know that TESCO sells it in their Hungarian stores? Do you know when they will introduce it their British stores?

I have to travel to France for mine. I could get it from Lewis and Cooper in Northallerton but that is not so much fun.

Matthew, Sarah? Where is my nearest supplier? Please grass them in I'm desperate for some tasty forced fed duck/goose liver.

Sorry, I thought grass meant you were an expert in foie GRAS, Matthew, My mistake.

P.S. didn't I see you in MacDonalds on Saturday Matthew eating a Double bacon Cheeseburger. Ooops now I'm the grass.

duck lover

I agree

16.04.2010 20:49

It's time for the truth Matthew. Speak up i can't hear you.

York veganism

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EH!!!!

16.04.2010 21:00

This is what the whol sorry episode is about


SARAH LARKING

York veganism

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bullcrap

01.10.2011 23:34

This is just pure bullcrap from luke (email author) and another example of AR bullying people with known learning difficulties.

anarch

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