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this is completely outrageous behaviour from the police.
I'd like to thank the person or group of people who wrote this for bringing it to my attention.
I don't live in London but this is so outrageous it is really important that we all know about it. This kind of behaviour is really not ok. I think that maybe a problem that might exist at the moment is that if the people who go to 'black' reggae nights and those who go to 'white' reggae night do not know each other well enough to talk about this happening then it's difficult for us to all get together and fight this. I'm sure other reggae fans of all backgrounds would be concerned about this and want to be involved in action against it.

We need some tactics to fight this kind of police bullshit!

Where's your source for this? Sounds far fetched.

There is a pretty good explination for the OH bar shuting down here....

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2009/02/422415.html?c=on

I work in Camden and I fucking hate it. The pigs do NOTHING about the drug dealers, despite the fact that everyone knows who they are, they are violent, they beat up women, intimidate the traders while the police stand around doing nothing. Closing down reggue nights won't help the problem, stupid lazy pigs.

Yes, it seems that there is a real problem with homophobic music,

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/17/gayrights-jamaica


But concurrently, the police are probably using this as an excuse to crack down on any music which is not mainstream:-

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/jan/21/police-form-696-garage-music

Depends which suppliers have been paying off which cops. Several cops have recently been busted in the area and one dies of a drug overdose. There have been complaints that cops have been leaving some dealers alone and not investigating attacks on the ( gay ) complainees. They ( the cops ) have shown they can get away with murder on Camden Lock ( see previous Indymedia ). Their attitude to rape investiagtion beggars belief. At the end of the day, division through race, nationality, gender, sexuality, and class is all used by the state operatives, international gangsters and business around the area to make/ launder money inc. through property. ( think of it as expendiency ) e.g the recent paedophile/drugdealer scandal involving a certain property landlord /specualtor.( see CNJ ). The real motives are money and power, as usual, and property lies at the heart of this as any anarchist will inform you. VConquest is by divison and supermarket forces.i.e propaganda / marketing.

BTW. Not many people came out to support the homeless being targeted. ( one leaflet citing developnet removal of comforting hot air vents ) The removal of many street people led to an increase in attacks arround Camden.

theres a fair few fucking areshole scumbag property speculating politicians living around the area too....

There was more to the reggae night than the drug dealers. The venue itself was to blame not the music or the whole reggae crowd.

You can't say that "all black men or all drug dealers are violent or rapists" that's just stupid.

I live in Camden, I used to go to the Oh Bar, I went to the reggae nights most weeks, I know most of the drug dealers [just from walking past and saying hello] NONE of them have ever raped me, hit me or tried to do either of these. While some of the nights in the Oh Bar were a bit much that was the venue's fault and not the drug dealers, and absolutely certainly NOT the whole reggae crowd.

Do other styles of music have drug dealers? Violence sometimes?

If the dealers have become violent occasionally then it's hardly surprising given this kind of racism going on in Camden Town.

Bring back the reggae nights.

And no it's not far fetched...ask any of the reggae people and they will tell you that the police have indeed done this, it's common knowledge in Camden and it's bang out of order.

Now we begin to see the police state operating via broad and vague licensing laws that give them authority to wage campaigns against various ethnic genres, and alternative gatherings without taking anyone to court, without genuine evidence or clear conviction by a jury....

The Big Green Gathering was closed down by Police action in Somerset, as a political move. This is fact.

Controlling Camdens so-called street 'drug' scene is a political act, as the movement of drugs world wide is without doubt facillitated by Governments AND Serious Organised Gangsters who have always worked together.... In Iraq the US funded the local gangsters, made them into the police force and paramilitaries, as they have done in South America and Afghanistan. Afghani Hash is now easliy available.... so is Heroin.... and Cocaine....

Hitler did the same in Germany. It's an old story.....

Find scapegoats, set them up, punish them publicly, pretend that the police are doing their best.....

Firstly, we under-estimate the impact of Freemasonry on society. It is a means of secretly networking and controlling communities. In this case, the chief of police in Camden is probably operating on a concensus determined by elite groups in Camden, possibly organising through Freemasonry. Read Stephen Knight's book 'Inside the Brotherhood'.

Secondly, there appears to be two objectives. 1. reduce the numbers of black people coming into Camden; 2. controlling the Camden drugs trade. There is clearly tactic agreements between police and drug dealers handing around venues. Everyone in Camden knows about drug dealing in venues apart from the police, apparently. But black events are events the police feel they can't control. Not that there aren't relationships between black gangster and the police, but the police feel they don't have sufficient control of black events.

I have read all the posts here, and so far I can see that the police are shutting down reggae nights in Camden because Obama and the freemasons are doing a deal with the cartels.....

WOW, this is world breaking news, this should be being covered by the media. If the police are doing nothing or as you say are complicit then call the IPCC and demand a public enquiry, there are several lawyers who specialise in enquiries into the police.

so whos first?.....


well?

"I know most of the drug dealers [just from walking past and saying hello] NONE of them have ever raped me, hit me or tried to do either of these".

Well I was beaten up by a drug dealer after I confronted him for sexually harassing me. The other drug dealers laughed and jeered me as the ambulance came to take me to hospital. Needless to say, the police did nothing.

"If the dealers have become violent occasionally then it's hardly surprising given this kind of racism going on in Camden Town"

Bullshit. Nothing can justify the violence that I have experienced from these bastards. There are other areas that are far more racist where black people experience far worse racism but that doesn't turn them violent. My best friend has experienced the most appalling racism living in a certain London/Kent suburb, but she doesn't go around dealing drugs and beating people up.

You have a typical nieve attitude that almost romanticises Camden's drug scene. I used to be the same - I thought that it was great that people could sell drugs openly in the street until I began to see the ugly reality. Wake up and start living in the real world.

1. One of the "bastard drug dealers" is my boyfriend.

2. My ..er ..naivety prevents me from divulging how well I know the rest of them or writing any names..

3. White men / non drug dealers have attacked ME in the past and I think that you might well find that this is a MAN thing and NOT something that is confined to black men or drug dealers or black drug dealers etc.

4. You say that you "confronted" one of them for "sexually harassing" you and that he "beat you up"....When you say he "sexually harrassed you" what EXACTLY did he DO? If the rest of them jeered at you then you must have said or done something pretty bad to provoke that.

5. You say that I live in a naive romanticised world where these guys are concerned....well I've confronted these guys more than a few times myself over various things and haven't been beaten up....in fact I've chased them all up the road on one occasion after a row [this gives me away if they read this ; ) ] and I've had a fair few rows with the guys so I'm under no illusions about any of them. They are men, like any men. I wonder what you said or did to antagonise them so much? I KNOW them....OK?

6. If the "bastard drug dealers" had been non drug dealers or white would you're complaints about them be different?

7. Last weekend I saw a Camden police officer grab one of them [Pappass] and handcuff his hands behind his back when he had done nothing wrong then he slammed him up against the back of a police van, then shoved his elbow against his spine at the back of his neck and then nearly choked him by applying pressure. He wasn't arrested as he had done nothing wrong and it was only when someone esle intervened that the copper let him go. Pappass isn't a massive guy [a bit tall but lean] and didn't struggle. wasn't being violent, had not done anything wrong and was violently assaulted. My boyfriend has had his arm broken by those same police...so don't accuse me of naivety about any of it.

there is more to reggae than the drug dealers and it was only a small number of THEM that are badly behaved....