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Block the BNP

No Pasaran ! | 08.06.2009 08:50 | Anti-racism

Block the BNP will be preventing Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons from taking their seats as MEPs

If the people of Britain cannot be relied upon to prevent the BNP Facism in their communities then we will. On September 4th these loathsome individuals will attempt to enter the EU building in Brussels as MEP, Block the BNP will be there to stop them by any means we regard as reasonable.

Facism must be stopped. We will stop it.

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No Pasaran !

No Pasaran !
e-mail: info@antifa.org.uk
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Perhaps

08.06.2009 09:27

Perhaps you should have a word with some of the self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" idiots who were wandering around towns like Hastings urging people not to vote or to spoil their ballots. In doing so, they helped get the BNP elected.

Norvello

Victory march?

08.06.2009 09:42

Has anyone heard details of a BNP victory parade? I've spotted a few whispers on BNP blogs but nothing concrete. I can't imagine that they will pass up the opportunity to keep their party in the mainstream press following the Euro elections. Anyone have more info?

If there is a BNP march it could be a perfect opportunity for a national anti fascist gathering. Either way, surely we need some large scale direct action before September?

anon

hastings?

08.06.2009 09:58

i thought the BNP didn't win any seats in the south east?

pete

Go for it !

08.06.2009 10:01

Good to see this response from Antifa, if the idiots in the North West can't see the danger of the BNP and vote them in then it is up to us to stop them exercising that support that have received.

This is clearly one of those issues that can't be left to the democratic process and the poorly educated and misinformed electorate.

No Nazis in the EU

Please People....

08.06.2009 10:08

You had your chance to stop the BNP on June 4th and you failed...Democracy has taken place and they have won 2 seats. You need to grow up and realize what you are saying...You are denying a properly elected party the right to their seat? Sounds to me like YOU are the fascist here good sir.

Common Sense

voting equals blame

08.06.2009 10:11

You don't understand the logic of what you're saying you judgemental fool, think for your self, voting is getting some one else to think for you so well you deserve whatever you get, what makes you think there's a functional fair logic to it, show me the process, the accountability, the equal distribution of power across every member of society, a fantasy, we reject your childish game, and that's all it is, no lord on earth but god above, you have your conscience, is that not enough? You want to elect someone else to tell you what to do take responsibility for your actions, it's a pantomime, money buys votes, the media sells the 'story', wake up, there's only one way to save yourself from violent oppression, our only true power just like them lies in our own hands, voting is not accountability

logic

For Common Sense

08.06.2009 10:58

So "democracy has taken place" has it? Where? When? I failed to see anything of the kind.

You have scooped up some foul-smelling, stagnant pond water. That's repulsive enough without announcing "beer has taken place".

WTF did last week's euro-playground games have to do with democracy? Do you know what it is?

Stroppyoldgit

Hitlers arse lickers

08.06.2009 11:18

my granddad died 65 years ago on the d-day landings fighting fascism. The BNP are just a bunch of Hitler arse lickers .....my grandad will be turning in his grave.....DIRECT ACTION AGAINST THE NAZIS NOW.....just like my grandad did

anti fascist

So called democracy is not working

08.06.2009 11:19

This result for the BNP reinforces the reality of allowing political power to be exercised by the majority. It simply does not work !

Unless a voter is educated as to the reality of their decisions they may well vote in parties like the BNP, this education is sadly lacking in modern Britain. Only free collective decision making under the control of a supervisory body will ensure that extremists like the BNP or UKIP are excluded from power.

We must do everything possible to prevent them from taking their seats and to see a representitive of the people that reflects the needs of the people not their aspirations.

Bash the Fash

Consider the implications (rethink?)

08.06.2009 11:22

Please tell us for just one moment what would be your reaction if several socialist and/or communist and/or anarchist candidates had been elected and the "enemy" prevented them from getting to their seats? That waould be all right by you?

PLEASE -- this is NOT in support of the fascists. It's in support of the concept that "the people" no matter how misguided, foolish, unaware of their own best interests (as you judge those to be) still have the right to cast their ballots unwisely (in your eyes). The concept that it's THEIR decision to make, not yours.

And I do understand the concept of trying to work outside the ballot. But the arguments for that made much more sense when "the people" weren't allowed to vote, when only some of them could. You could then argue that IF the others were allowed, they would support you. Here you have no evidence that you you have the support of the people. Yes fo course you can calim that your own will justifies you -- but then so does the will of the majority that shoots you down in the streets.

The reality here is that IF you ever get the support of enough people to justify your revolution then you wouldn't have to take to the streets -- would have already massacred the opposition at the polls.

MDN

@Pete

08.06.2009 11:52

Fair point - but more than one in 20 voters in the south east still voted BNP, and they were only a few percentage points away from getting a seat.

The misguided fools urging people not to vote as "Like, all parties are racist, you know?" may not only have been operating in Hastings. You can't urge people to abandon democracy, then moan if the result is not to your linkng.

Norvello

So there we have it...

08.06.2009 13:52

So there we have it:

"This result for the BNP reinforces the reality of allowing political power to be exercised by the majority. It simply does not work !

Unless a voter is educated as to the reality of their decisions they may well vote in parties like the BNP, this education is sadly lacking in modern Britain. Only free collective decision making under the control of a supervisory body will ensure that extremists like the BNP or UKIP are excluded from power.

We must do everything possible to prevent them from taking their seats and to see a representitive of the people that reflects the needs of the people not their aspirations."

From "Bash the Fash".

We can only hope that this contribution is meant ironicallly - if so, you should make this slightly more clear 'Bash'.

If not, we have the two anti-democtratic, oppressive, intolerant forces lined up before us.

Polly Peck

Offering An Alternative To The BNP

08.06.2009 14:37

Instead of protesting waving banners and plackards it's going to take Anti Fascists to get back on the streets in all areas to win the battle against fascism just as AFA did in the late 80's / Early 90's.

Over the past few months I've offered our local Anarchist group a stall at shows I put on. Not once have they been down despite entrance and stall space being of no charge. Usual excuse 'It's friday night we're off to the pub'.

Nor once did any Anti Fascists, Anarchists or Letfies come out and challenge the BNP leafletting.

When the local Anarchist group found out the BNP had a stall in town one saturday they had a vote and voted to stay away!!

Fascism needs to be challenged but as the same time we also have to offer viable alternatives and of late no one has done that from any Anarchist/Anti Fascist/Socialist organisation.

Anti Fascist Action

Norvello

08.06.2009 14:52

Fuck you Norvello. The people to blame for the election of BNP candidates are those that voted for them and the mainstream political parties particularly New Labour, who have not only pushed the political agenda to the Right, but made the BNP look radical and in touch with the working-class. The vast majority of so-called political activists who do absolutely fuck all in terms of the BNP cannot escape blame either, and neither can the idiots like yourself who try to get people to vote for some other set of scumbags, when most ordinary people know the system is absolutely rotten.

@ntifascist

Smash the ignorant Nazi BNP bastards!

08.06.2009 15:40

The BNP are haters, they deny the Holocaust and wish to kick out all non-white people from the Isles. Don’t debate they -- smash them! They HATE everything that Britain stands for and is. They must be stopped by ANY means necessary! I am pissed! Get active!

Steve Cohn

@@ntifascist

08.06.2009 16:10

What specific aspect of, say, the Green party's equality policies strikes you as fascist? (I somehow guess it won't be worth waiting for an intelligent answer...). If you think the Greens are as equally "scum" as the BNP, why aren't you campaigning against them as well?

This "all political activists are scum" stuff is the kind of lazy dogma that has been a huge boost to the BNP because they've presented themselves as being outside of the normal political system. Incidentally, trying to block them from speaking only fuels their sense of persecution and martyrdom.

The "it's not my fault, it's the fault of those who vote BNP" line is pathetic and shows you have no grasp of how democracy works. If you fail to vote - or actively discourage others not to vote - then it is entirely your fault if the system does not represent your views and a far-right party is elected instead. You have become a useful idiot.

I remember when the BNP were voted in in Stratford. The TV news interviewed resident after resident, and they were all outraged, saying they couldn't believe the BNP had been elected and how shocking it was. Then the interviewer asked who they voted for - and they looked embarassed and said they hadn't bothered. That's you, that is.

Norvello

Peter crannie of greens had about 125,000,Griffin 130, roughly 40,000,000

08.06.2009 16:23

people didnt vote.
Thanks to well meaning anarcho hardliners & corporate led campaigns that recetly just focused on corruption by politicians when some corporations & fat cats are getting away with Trillions.
Many Greens I ve met in UK are well into overall direct democracy & consensus more than some harder line anarchos I know. EU is now being split between left & right, the grand coalition though often working on corporate consensus appears to be splitting,
things could only get worser.
Smash Fascism & Vote to get more real democracy, not "representative" shite. Voting pragmatically does not vailidate corporations, it does help improve what little democracy we have.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

http://www.metagovernment.org/wiki/Participate

Internationale

Anti-democratic tactics

08.06.2009 16:29

So you are angry at the people, after urging those most likely not to vote for the the BNP- not to vote at all.

You are an anti-fascist organization unwilling to promote democratic means of defeating the fascists.

Antifa are either simple minded, or a front for the fascists, because their overwhelming urge for violence is more kin to the anti-immigrant boot boys then a grass-roots, positive antifascist organization, your tactic of non-voting probably didn't effect the result- but it may have done.

Furthermore, if you attack the new BNP politicians physically, their veneer of respectability will not disappear; it will grow.

Re-think these tactics, or you'll further exacerbate a difficult situation for the left and the anti-fascist movement more broadly, besides from polarizing the very class that you should be most appealing to.

Benny Galleani

Why is the left so unpopular?

08.06.2009 16:36

The left, if it is going to get anywhere, needs to figure out and overcome why it is so unpopular at the moment.

After all, the BNP is a relatively minor party, but it polled more than five times more than the most successful left party in the Euro elections (the Socialist Labour Party). Left parties didn't win a single seat.

Shouting and screaming and trying to block candidates is only going to show the far left as shrill but impotent and continue them on their long march to oblivion that they have been on for the past 25 years or so.

Observer

Go get organised!

08.06.2009 17:41

Some of these comments and material in the original post smack on vanguardism/complete snobbery. I am also dubious as to whether this came from Antifa or not.

Last night there were some good examples of confrontational anti-fascism in Manchester, resulting in Griffin being quite late, and shitting his pants on attendence to the count. We need more of this, and we need to step it up. There is an article by Antifa which sums it up nicely;

http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/index.php?itemid=164 .

However, propaganda is also a major part of any struggle. We need to be out there engaging with communities, opposing the BNP wherever they spring up, and opposing the lies and spin of the fat cat banksters and the politicians.

I urge all anarchists and revolutionary leftists to get involved with serious, organised groups who are countering the BNP. Start a local group and get active. This is the only way we can stop the rise of fascism.

!No Pasaran!

Kay Bull.

Well Spotted

08.06.2009 18:50

"I am also dubious as to whether this came from Antifa or not."

I think you'll find that we can spell FASCISM.

Antifa

Completely wrong

09.06.2009 10:23

"This result for the BNP reinforces the reality of allowing political power to be exercised by the majority. It simply does not work !"

What majority? These two nazis (and that's what Griffin and Brons are, even if the whole fo the BNP isn't) got seats because of a proportional representation system which gives seats to MINORITIES.
They actually got FEWER votes than the BNP did last time (2004). If it had been a first-past-the-post winner takes all system, as in UK general elections, they wouldn't had had an earthly. That's why the BNP targeted the Euro elections.

Stroppyoldgit

Antifa

10.06.2009 21:32

That's Ok then, we're both reading off the same sheet ;-).

Kay Bull