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BNP billboard bites the dust

Bluetooth | 26.05.2009 20:25 | Anti-racism | Repression | Social Struggles | Liverpool

Oh dear

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I don't get this

26.05.2009 22:07

Why does anyone need to deface the posters of any political party?


If a poster's message is repellent to people they won't vote for that party.

And if it isn't repellent why deface it?



Poster defacement is a form of censorship. Those who practice it are censors, elitists and fascists.


Leave the posters as they are. Let people make up their own minds about who to vote for.

Pete

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26.05.2009 22:46

jog on pete you troll

good on you try harder i hear fire lasts longer

ballz

Having a different opinion

26.05.2009 23:15

Just because a person has a different opinion doesn't make them a troll. Jog on yourself!

Ruby

@ the trolls..

27.05.2009 07:17

"The trouble is that once you see it, you can't unsee it. And once you've seen it, keeping quiet, saying nothing, becomes as political an act as speaking out. There's no innocence. Either way you're accountable" - Arundhati Roy

anon

Attention Seeking

27.05.2009 08:04

The BNP poster was defaced by someone carrying out Covert Undercover Nuisance Tactics. Its obviously one of those bored middle aged, middle class wannabe fascists thinking, heres a great idea. Pull down bits of the poster so searchlies get in a tizzy. The nice Clear Channel folks put it up again. We pull it down. They fix it. We break it. Generate lots of publicity.

Unfortunately they forgot the contract:

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Systematic lies get caught out. Lies as election policy ensure that the date of Bankruptcy draws ever closer. Poor Nick. Done over again by not reading the small print. Twenty Grand Please.

Dear Pete

oh my god we're all going to DIE!!!!

27.05.2009 10:46

because of this nick griffin's friend who paid for the poster might have a heart attack in shock (theirs a recession on you know), this could be used in the papers to convince 20% of the public to vote BNP, and 10% to turn into militant neo-fascist death squads,
armed with bits of anti-fascist billboards, they will seek and destroy anyone who doesn't agree with them,
the BNP will win the general election, demanded by the people angry at this evil form of direct action.
everyone who isn't white, blonde haired, blue eyed and inbred will be gassed.

or not...
maybe its only a billboard and by the looks the board wasn't even physical damaged.
who knows maybe the criminal mastermind behind this is a team of high pressure and rain?

end of the day, not end of the world.
not going to massively impact the current state of freedom of speech in the uk.

over-reaction police

Let fascists speak = tie up your tongue

27.05.2009 15:53

Temporary Bristol Antifascist Militants of May 2009 attacked with paint bombs and teared down fascist political advertisement boards in Easton area. Fuck you all commoners , nazis and police. what are you doing on indymedia ?

second-class citizen

Report the billboards

27.05.2009 17:43

It would be useful for people to report any BNP billboard that they see here. We might not be great at a lot of things, but we are great with billboards. Subvertise, spray or just plain destroy them.

Danny

wisdom

27.05.2009 17:47

"Temporary Bristol Antifascist Militants of May 2009 attacked with paint bombs and teared down fascist political advertisement boards in Easton area."

Proving that it isnt just the hordes of unwanted immigrants who make a place look like a dump - white, middle class students with too much time on their hands can as well. Thank fuck I dont live round there!

mike

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27.05.2009 17:58

I am unwanted immigrant and you can suck cox of hell mike

antifa bristol

Idiots who talk of censorship.

27.05.2009 18:30

Where do we draw the line then? Just because the are a political party does not mean they should be tolerated. When their sole aim is to remove the rights of others should they get into power do we sit back and allow ourselves to be raped because its fascist now to oppose the BNP?

What next let people molest children otherwise we might be stopping their freedom of expression? Fucking idiots everytime posting this we cannot be silencing the far right bollocks. TROLL SHIT!

Opinionated...

Fools who talk of censorship

27.05.2009 18:58

"Where do we draw the line"........ !?

I would think that is pretty obvious - we draw the line so that people have the freedom of speech.
People like you have always tried to control and manipulate through the use of censorship to gain power for their respective group. I'm for democracy --- thats the one where anyone can have their say.

And what on earth has censorship got to do with child molestation?
Have you heard of Karl Pilkington? Are you Karl? You are just talking nonsense

Opinionated also

Indymedia isn't a free-for-all, it's an alternative to mainstream statist views

27.05.2009 22:49

People have this misconception that Indymedia is a free-for-all where any low-life can spout their racist nonsense and not be censored. That isn't the case and has never been the case. It is part of Indymedia's open mission statement:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/mission.html

"Inherent in the mainstream corporate media is a strong bias towards Capitalism's power structures, and it is an important tool in propagating these structures around the globe. While the mainstream media conceal their manifold biases and alignments, we clearly state our position. Indymedia UK does not attempt to take an objective and impartial standpoint: Indymedia UK clearly states its subjectivity."

Censorship is only a problem when it is done by a powerful ruling elite. If racists or authoritarians want to spread their poison they have a million other websites to do it, they can't expect Indymedia to help them do it.

anon

Hmmmm

28.05.2009 01:19

I think you've not quite read the article correctly.......

The article is talking "censoring BNP's message on billboards"
The comments are discussing if the censorship of the BNP is right or wrong and how this relates to the fundamental right of "freedom of speech."

Neither has anything to do with censorship policies on Indymedia.

seth

Pete Troll petrol

28.05.2009 09:09

>Poster defacement is a form of censorship. Those who practice it are censors, elitists and fascists.

All billboards deface our country, they are a means for rich arrogant people and organistations to spread damaging thoughts that people are too smart to spread by word of mouth. All defacement is art.

It isn't enough just to deface a BNP billboard, the billboard company won't learn anything from that. BNP billboards should be turned into firewood.

Danny

nope

28.05.2009 11:41

"All defacement is art. "

In your opinion. I disagree

rent

Fucking clear channel

28.05.2009 13:25

These are the bastards that have obstructed and defaced countless pavements of streets in Glasgow city centre with massive 8 foot tall freestanding billboards, and I'm sure they're doing it elsewhere. So now they're abetting the rise of fascism in Britain as well. Wonderful.

I for one think it important that the BNP have freedom of speech. I don't agree with using physical violence against their stalls or marches, if they are peaceful. But advertising is privileged speech, it's an affront that says "we can afford to shove our message in your face, in your space". The BNP are crypto fascist, would-be oppressors, who have no right to privileged speech. All but the most bland messages are offensive as advertising to someone in some way, but the point is, this kind of message and symbolism is gratuitously offensive. Its just fucking horribly oppressive, and it needs to be challenged to preserve the self respect and sanity of the working class.

Scouting these things out sounds like a great idea.

anon2

planning and permission

28.05.2009 22:46

people arrested in my area for "defacing" billboards walked free more than once because the owners of the billboards had put them up (massive ones!) without planning permission in the first place.
nobody monitors or bothers to get unwanted billboards taken down, our local council spends its time cleaning of graffiti while the police boast of graffiti artists arrested.
its not illegal to deface an illegal billboard at all.
check with the planning dept of your local council to find out which billboards are legal...

research girl

my comment still stands regarding censorship

30.05.2009 00:01

re: my previous comment about Indymedia not being a free-for-all.

I was reading several stories and comments on Indymedia recently where fascists were trolling and complaining of being censored by Indymedia, so maybe I got mixed up and this one wasn't the most pertinent for my reply. Or maybe their posts have since been hidden. Are fascist posts ever deleted outright or only ever just hidden?

Either way, I think the general point still stands, that Indymedia is for people who oppose hierarchy and not a general open house for any racist or authoritarian to spout their views.

And regarding the "censorship" of attacking billboards, I think you have to take into account the power imbalance. If the government censors an individual, that is bad. If an individual attacks the "speech" of ruling politicians or businesses, that is good.

The rich have massive control of the media to attempt to brainwash people into toeing the line, so anything to redress the balance is a good thing. And the BNP may not be the ruling elite at the moment, but they certainly want to be, so anything to stop them is welcome. If you think Labour or Conservatives are authoritarian shitbags (they are) the BNP will be ten times worse.

anon