These quotes will convince everybody to vote BNP
Stormfront Propagandist | 25.05.2009 00:24 | Anti-racism | World
The Former Racist Current Authoritarian Nick Griffin should be elected in June. Otherwise he will never have a pension fund.
I'm not in politics for cheap cheers; if I was I could probably have had a safe Tory seat years ago.
- Nick Griffin, No More Time for Peter Pan
"the electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate." (1995 - writing in The Rune)
"We believe not just that our people are different from others, but that such genuine diversity is worth preserving. - Nick Griffin, The BNP: Anti-asylum protest, racist sect or power-winning movement?
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” - Nick Griffin
"So, what are we now doing with the British National Party? Well we tried to simplify its message in some ways and to make it a saleable message. So it's not white supremacy or racial civil war or anything like that, which is what we know in fact is going on, and we're not supremacists, we're white survivalists, even that frightens people. Four apple pie words, freedom, security, identity and democracy." (2001 - Speech to the American Friends of the BNP)
"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended." Nick Griffin 2006.
- Nick Griffin, No More Time for Peter Pan
"the electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate." (1995 - writing in The Rune)
"We believe not just that our people are different from others, but that such genuine diversity is worth preserving. - Nick Griffin, The BNP: Anti-asylum protest, racist sect or power-winning movement?
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” - Nick Griffin
"So, what are we now doing with the British National Party? Well we tried to simplify its message in some ways and to make it a saleable message. So it's not white supremacy or racial civil war or anything like that, which is what we know in fact is going on, and we're not supremacists, we're white survivalists, even that frightens people. Four apple pie words, freedom, security, identity and democracy." (2001 - Speech to the American Friends of the BNP)
"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended." Nick Griffin 2006.
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Are you attemting to convince Indymedia readers not to vote BNP?
25.05.2009 02:17
John
Don't forget to say he is pro-Israel
25.05.2009 04:43
Bud
The Tide of Battle
25.05.2009 06:17
We know who you are!
This website is where you smelly lot all hang out isn't it? The same sort as those ANAL thugs that urinated through my letterbox and keep sending me smelly parcels. I want to know how they got my address. It'a a complete outrage!
The BNP is now a respectable party and we expect to be treated as such, otherwise we shall have to resort to more traditional methods, you know what I mean. Long haired, pot-smoking layabouts. Bet you're all on the dole aren't you!
I'll be back!!!
Bill
BNP to Rid us of Gentry?
25.05.2009 07:05
That means Saxons all get crammed into Kent, (because that is what they were diven for fighting the Danes) or shipped back to the Continent.
There is only one problem - How will we feed all the Americans, Australians etc who will be shipped back here when those countries follow suit.
Bookfairwr
Fuck off 'Bill'
25.05.2009 10:02
I think you're kind of missing the point, you've aimed your rant at the wrong audience if you think we want to combat the flow of immigrants. Immigration is a good thing, a nation does not have a finite capacity, it cannot only take a certain number before becoming 'full', it is a large space which can be densely populated... thus providing diversity to enrich your beloved Britain. And of course a sanctuary to those who have been forced out of their own nation by repressive regimes... although of course you wouldn't understand that concept would you as Britain under the BNP is a repressive regime.
Lucy
Fuck off Bill,immigration is good for Britain
25.05.2009 10:28
If you don't like them knowing your address maybe you should rethink your BNP affinities as under a BNP/ police state system you'd have absolutely no civil liberties.
And to suggest that the 'rising tide' of immigrants is a problem is complete bollocks:
A) there are currently more people leaving our country than entering it,
B) Its because of your beloved Britain's reputation as a strong Empire and all that crap that people are so desperate to come here... so you should see it as an honour mr Nationalist!, and
C) Where would we be without immigrants? We live in a nation whose workforce is built up of workers from across the globe, the BNP uses the example of the healthcare system, but I don't think i've ever been to hospital and not been treated by an Asian doctor or black nurse (not that i'm suggesting being of asian extraction or black makes you non-British for one second, but the BNP would). Also, Britian would not be such a metropolitan and culturally diverse place if it wasn't for immigration... so your beloved nation is constantly being enriched by a 'tide' of immigrants.
You seem to be over-simplifying things by suggesting that a nation is an object with a finite capacity, it is a space which can be populated and enriched. Britain can never over-flow, it can just be strengthened by diversity.
Lucy
The BNP will not take away civil liberties.
25.05.2009 10:48
Where the hell does it say that in the BNP manifesto?????? You and other critics of the BNP obviously never read any BNP party literature!
If you don't like the BNP then don't vote for them. But don't run around telling others how they should vote, that is not democracy.
Democrat
Useful quotes
25.05.2009 10:49
Stroppyoldgit
You Hypocrite
25.05.2009 11:22
You are being completely hypocritical in suggesting I am undemocratic in trying to influence people not to vote BNP, in posting flyers full of lies through every door this is exactly what the BNP are doing... and at least anti-BNP campaigners are telling the truth and dispelling BNP propagandist myths. There is nothing undemocratic about exposing truths, only in an official no-platform policy which I would never advocate.
Lucy
quote mining
25.05.2009 11:29
max
A repentant Propagandist writes
25.05.2009 13:38
John
Sorry, John, but there is the need to state the obvious. While the BNP portray themselves as a reasonable, slightly right wing but working class party, there are people who will be fooled. The BNP tell lies. Often big lies. Stormfront Propagandists should be obliged to explain why such quotes are no longer relevant. Some are actually quite recent and relevant. This is the kind of Propaganda the BNP circulate to each other and hide from the voters. It might well be unpleasant to see, but it is entirely reasonable to see it.
"There is only one problem - How will we feed all the Americans, Australians etc that will be shipped back here when those countries follow suit."
Bookfairwr
The logical conclusion of the Stormfront Propagandist position is that the former colonial whites will not be shipped back to live but to be exterminated. The BNP position is that they are the "elect" in the same way as Jim Jones, David Koresh and a host of other cult leaders have been "elect". The BNP Position can not allow immigration or emigration. It is the position of turning the entire island into a huge open prison. The infrastructure is in place and the BNP ideology recognises that.
"You seem to be over-simplifying things by suggesting that a nation is an object with a finite capacity, it is a space which can be populated and enriched. Britain can never over-flow, can just be strengthened by diversity."
Lucy
The Stormfront Propagandist position does simplify things. The Propagandist position is as job applicant for prison guard in the BNP Open Prison Society. For such a jobsworth, the "nation" is finite. Constrained by a failing imagination. Consider a Prison Officer with a simple instruction: "do whatever it takes to keep order" as opposed to a Prison Officer with diverse instructions. That would make the cushy job of prison guard too strenuous. Laziness and arrogance insist that the nation must be tiny.
"It's well known that the chimneys from the gas chambers at Auschwitz are fake, built after the war ended." Nick Griffin (2006 BNP Website - attributed to BBC Interview)
“I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the earth is flat…I have reached the conclusion that the ‘extermination’ tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter day witch-hysteria.” - Nick Griffin (BNP Website 2004 - Attributed to BBC Interview)
"So could we please have more precise attributions and dates for the ones which just say "Nick Griffin"? Thanks."
Stroppyoldgit
The attributions are as precise as the BNP website allows. That is part of the point: the BNP pluck lies out of the air and then utter them.
I have quoted you all out of context. Presumably the lost of a word here and there has not overly changed your opinions. But it is misquotation. So, maybe, you should check. It is the strategy of the BNP to gradually quote people out of context, over and over until they have a soundbite that matches some fascist policy. The policy of telling lies constantly is starting to catch up with them. So, despite the resevations of Max about "quote mining" it would seem relevant to actually start asking the BNP, why did your stated opinion change from one date to another. The truth is that the BNP have told so many lies they can no longer keep up.
What a lot of people seem to miss is that the world is not Indymedia. Quoting fascist propaganda on Indymedia is likely to be challenged. In the ordinary world, these quotes are so rarely heard that they would actually be to shocking to register. The BNP then dismiss the shock as merely "ironic" or "look over there". The BNP are riding the coattails of the major parties and their spin doctors - particularly the Tories. The BNP have spent a decade making themselves appear electable as a minor party through selective use of quotes that can be mined. Examining that strategy demonstrates that the BNP are still the fascist, racist party they were when Griffin took over.
For Max: if it is childs play to see fascists for what they are then teach children to play that game. The fact we did not play that game in the sandpit is part of the reason the BNP portray themselves as being electable. Remember the fascist fourteen words: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children," it is a quote worth mining - it comes from Mein Kampf - it is the policy of the BNP.
Stormfront Propagandist
Good for Britain?
25.05.2009 14:37
Like the fact they take jobs away from British people.
Like they bring gang warfare, the pimping of our young girls, and drugs to the UK.
Like money is thrown at them whilst our old die because they cannot afford to heat their homes.
Like they don't give a toss about our nation, but only come here for the hand-outs (often crossing dozens of 'safe countries' until they reach here).
Like they are stretching our social services to breaking point due to the crime and high birth rates.
Like they demand that we change our culture and traditions so as not to offend their beliefs.
Like they come to rape our women and molest our children - something perhaps that is the normal standard of behaviour in their country.
Like wherever they end up living ends up looking like a 3rd world slum.
Like the terrorism they bring with them; the fundamental nature of Islam being to bring down the west by any means necessary.
Is this the world you want to live in????
Lucy, grow up and get on with your homework.
mike
BNP brainwashing victim
25.05.2009 16:06
Yes, that IS the kind of world i want to live in, not the way you've painted it, but the way it actually is:
'They' (by this I assume you mean anyone who isn't british?) don't take jobs away from British people, there are many more unemployed immigrants than Brits.
'They' don't bring gang warfare, the racists who attack them bring gang warfare, groups of young, usually male minorities form gangs and arm themselves in defence from white gangs already in existance
'They' don't pimp our young girls, the worst cases of prostitution and traffiking are that of young girls brough illegally into this country by British people, not British girls exploited by immigrants. And where did you get your evidence that more rapists are immigrants than British nationals? because i don't think i've ever seen anything to suggest that would be the case.
'They' don't have money thrown at them at all, i'll refer you to the 'still human still here' campaign as they know more than i do:
also, given our Colonial history don't we have an obligation to people from countries formerly occupied by Britain, and shouldn't we be honoured that Britain is a desirable destination?
While a growing population is stretching social services, workers in the social services are very often people deemed by the BNP as 'unbritish', so i'd like to see the social services cope if all 'non-Brits' were repatriated.
Nobody is demanding we change our culture. British culture is built up of influences from others. British culture is being constantly enriched by others, not detracted from.
I don't know who you're refering to when you say 'their beliefs' and 'their country'... you seem to think anyone non-British comes from the same place, maybe you should have paid more attention in geography?
You have absolutely no grounds to suggest anyone is turning Britian into a '3rd world slum' and the fact that we are able to offer sanctuary to those desperate to avoid their lives in 3rd world slums is surely a good thing.
To suggest that all muslims are fundementalists is completely ridiculous, ill-informed and clearly influenced by mr griffin's propaganda! And while I wouldn't advocate terrorism for a second, but we can't ignore the fact that what has driven many islamists to extremes is their anger for our inexcusable behaviour towards the middle east throughout history.
I hope that may have helped you realise there very little truth in the racist propaganda you've been brainwashed by.
Lucy
Dear Lucy
25.05.2009 17:01
I would love to debate the issues with you, but what's the point? The rampant censorship here makes it hardly worthwhile. I do though realise that's the only 'debate' you leftie, supposed upholders of free speech and democracy, can tolerate - free speech when all opinions agree with your own.
The bottom line is that immigration is making Britain a 3rd world cesspit of bland nothingness, a fact that most likely bypasses you due to your having never lived in one of the more 'enriched' parts of the UK. Still, enjoy Communist (or Islamic) Britain should it ever come about.
Roll on June 4th!
mike
we used to know, but the police stopped publishing this information
25.05.2009 17:04
I completely disagree with that. I think it is political correct but foolish to assume that crime statistics will be exactly equal for all ethic groups. That would be like saying that men win 50% of running races and women win 50% of races.... because men and woman have equal rights.
A clear example is the knife crime was recently highlighted in London. A while back I read that 41 out of 42 of the people caught for major knife crimes in london were from an African Caribbean descent (the other one was turkish). Certain crimes are clearly more prevalent amongst certain ethic groups. Examples: knife crime, suicide bombings, etc. (i'm talking averages here, not specific cases)
It is also interesting that the police no longer public crime demographics that group by ethnic descent (even through it is extremely valuable to do so). But back when they actually did do so, it was clearly shown that per populous, crime was higher in certain ethic groups. The police stopped publishing these statistics as it was being used for ringwing material.
max
Dear Max
25.05.2009 17:26
Inspector Dave Lockyear
Information Access Manager
Information Management Services
Mr Sonny Bradley
Direct line
Direct fax
020 7601 2279
020 7601 2088
Your ref:
Our ref:
26 August 2008
Dear Mr Bradley
REQUEST FOR INFORMATION REF: COL/08/310
I write in connection with your request for information dated 3 August 2008 in which you
seek access to the following information:
1. How many crimes have occurred in the last decade involving a person(s) being
stabbed?
2. How many crimes have occurred in the last decade involving a person(s) being
fatally stabbed?
3. If possible, could I have a percentage breakdown of the race of the offender(s) - e.g.
40% - white, 15% - black, etc?
Data is only available from 2000 and these statistics therefore relate to the period 1
January 2000 to 31December 2007.
28 stabbings have occurred in the City of London Police force area in this period, of
which 2 resulted in the victim dying. The breakdown of ethnicity of the suspects or
offenders is as follows:
White: 39.3%
Black: 25.0%
Asian: 10.7%
Other: 3.6%
Unknown: 21.4%
Wood Street Police Station
PO Box 36427, 37 Wood Street, London EC2M 2NP
Tel 020 7601 2279 Textphone 020 7601 2906
www.cityoflondon.police.uk
Information debunks BNP Bollocks every time.
Stormfront Propagandist
To Mike
25.05.2009 17:47
However I think you should probably get your facts right, what I was refering to when I spoke about areas enriched by different cultures i meant metrapolitan centres such as London, which yes I have been to, and yes, I do believe have definately been enhanced by diversity and have been for centuries. I expect most of the things you take to be quinticentially 'london' and thus threatened by your 'alien invasion' are in fact traditions, landmarks etc left by centuries of immigration be it by the Vikings, French Hugenots, Russio/Polish Jews, or more recently by West Indians, Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans. So i'm afraid you've been completely mistaken in thinking immigration has turned Britain into a 'cesspi of 3rd world bland nothingness', without immigration Britain as we know it wouldn't even be here!
I don't want Communist or Islamic Britain, I just want a Britain whereby everyone is accepted including Communists and Muslims.
Lucy
Lucy, I can negate all of your arguments...
25.05.2009 21:35
A) there are currently more people leaving our country than entering it,"
And if the population of this country becomes 99% black, for example, why will it be any different than any other hellhole in Africa?
Answers with EVIDENCE please...
"B) Its because of your beloved Britain's reputation as a strong Empire and all that crap that people are so desperate to come here... so you should see it as an honour mr Nationalist!, and"
Oh, of course... They are desperate to come here because they have been unable to make THEIR OWN countries work. Why aren't millions of JAPANESE coming here? Why is it only people from the WORST countries on Earth that are wending their way here?
Can you explain why you actually think that LAND MASSES are what afford people intelligence and personality?
Because your entire argument is (laughably) that "We are all the same", and that blacks, (for example) are just as intelligent as whites. Yet we have the evidence of EVERY country in Africa, and EVERY 'enriched' area in white countries, (which are full of blacks) being absolute failures. Can you explain why?
"C) Where would we be without immigrants? We live in a nation whose workforce is built up of workers from across the globe, "
We would be in exactly the same HAPPY situation we were in in 1950.
Do you actually think any of this through before posting your laughable 'arguments' up?
Finally, and this is the clincher, since it proves that you don't believe in democracy, but actually believe in fascism (as long as YOU are in power):
MOST white people want to live in an all white country (as we have done for over 10,000 years).
I can prove it unequivocally, without even asking any of them their opinions, by using scientific facts, otherwise known as 'Revealed Preference'.
In the 1950s, when the first black families came over here to live, they moved into certain areas. Those areas rapidly became 'ghettos' and experienced an increase in non-whites, and a decrease in whites.
As soon as a house went up for sale in one of those areas, in the 1960s and 1970s, there would have been at least twenty times as many potential WHITE buyers as non-white. Yet somehow, those areas became more and more non-white. The ONLY scientific explanation for this is if the vast majority of potential white buyers did not want to live around non-whites. This is a hypothesis which is proved correct by the actions of literally MILLIONS of white house buyers, over the past fifty years. It cannot be refuted, or argued against. It is the ONLY explanation.
David Radford
Lucy - you are deluded
25.05.2009 21:41
And you've read the Koran?
You've visited www.prophetofdoom.net and www.jihadwatch.org?
I can destroy ALL of your leftwing arguments - which is precisely why Leftiemedia CENSORS and denies FREE SPEECH to anybody who dares to disagree with you.
What does that tell you about the strength of your position?
And why is the BNP website by far the most popular of all the political parties?
And why aren't the LibLabCon gang each trying to outdo each other by promising that, if elected, they will allow MORE immigrants into this country than the other parties are?
Do you seriously believe that the MAJORITY of the white population agree with anything you say?
Now, if you love 'diversity' so much - YOU MOVE to Haiti, and stop destroying OUR country. I don't owe anybody ANYTHING for something that YOUR rich ancestors (no doubt) did, hundreds of years ago.
More censorship from LEFTIEmedia...
Racism and immigration are linked
25.05.2009 22:01
Your stats undermine your argument. When you take into account the relative population sizes it shows that certain 'races' are more violent in London. That isn't surprising nor is it racist. When you are abused by a society all of your life for superficial reasons then you are more likely to become violent. Economic violence, social apartheid is still violence. That is why Irish people were until recently categorised as violent and less desirable than dogs. When people are raised to believe they are violent subhumans, they become violent. Nurture, not nature is most important here and we don't nurture anyone who isn't rich. This is a class issue not a 'race' issue. Try getting the statistics for crime broken down by income and then you'll see a direct correlation that is worth mentioning.
Lucy,
To the best of my knowledge I only have one foreign ancestor in the past 500 years, a French Huguenot. I don't think that makes me superior, quite the reverse, I'd have a better genetic resistance to illness if I had a more diverse background. I appreciate diversity and would encourage more people from overseas to live where I live, but to be honest I can't recommend it here to them. There is enough space here but the locals are shits.
During the 'good years' I went to work in the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. The most racism I encountered was in the Netherlands, and it wasn't aimed at me, it was aimed at my north African friends. The justification for that was the Netherlands was the most overcrowded country in Europe at the time, and it really was. It appalled me as an outsider how crowded it was. I loved it's diversity, as a young, rich man it was delightful to walk down the streets and see beautiful middle eastern women, beautiful african women, beautiful asian women next to beautiful nordic women. I hated there was no privacy, no real nature left there except public parks designated as nature reserves. I hated that many of those women were either selling themselves or being sold.
Now England is supposedly the most overcrowded country in Europe. Slovak immigrants there, otherwise incredibly nice people, claim there are too many immigrants there, without irony since they are immigrants. The sustainable population of the UK is 30 million and we are doubling that. In the liberal Netherlands that stupid immigration policy gave rise to an increase in Nazis and a mainstream shift to the right. That is what is happening in the UK just now. Immigration is great for a society, like water is great for a body. Too much uncontrolled immigration too quickly is suicidal, like water is a poison if ingested too quickly. The only people who benefit from that are the landed gentry, the business leaders and the fascists.
My racist slovak friends work here as 'carers', an awful voctional job I would never wish to do. They all have degrees in other fields but earn four times more here than they can in Slovakia in their professions, so they do appalling work for minimum wage. That undercuts the working class here to such a degree that former communists turn to fascism. I think that is a deliberate Ruling Class tactic to erase the benefits that working class people have fought and died for here.
I live in Scotland. Scotland is probably underpopulated, we could easily absorb another few million, but that should be done slowly, gradually, and without forming the sort of racial ghettos we already have. When I read this BNP shit I want to deport every scottish BNP supporter to England, I want to deport the 8% of our population who was born in England back to England. England is probably the most nazi state on earth. I do not want to accept the Scots diaspora back to Scotland. Anyone who emmigrated is not welcome back, I'd far rather accept the people who genuinely chose to live here than the imperialist, racist scum who left.
So, it's a complicated issue. If you want to talk about it here, and if we are allowed, then fair enough. There is a good Scottish phrase though, "same rules apply". What applies to 'foriegners' in England will soon apply to the English abroad. The English empire faded a long time ago and soon you will even loose Wales.
You have been arguing against fascist, racist BNP trolls up 'til now. I see they are still active, which is why you haven't had to argue too in depth.
Danny
Danny the tyrant...
26.05.2009 02:06
MOST white people want to live in an all white country (as we have done for over 10,000 years).
I can prove it unequivocally, without even asking any of them their opinions, by using scientific facts, otherwise known as 'Revealed Preference'.
In the 1950s, when the first black families came over here to live, they moved into certain areas. Those areas rapidly became 'ghettos' and experienced an increase in non-whites, and a decrease in whites.
As soon as a house went up for sale in one of those areas, in the 1960s and 1970s, there would have been at least twenty times as many potential WHITE buyers as non-white. Yet somehow, those areas became more and more non-white. The ONLY scientific explanation for this is if the vast majority of potential white buyers did not want to live around non-whites. This is a hypothesis which is proved correct by the actions of literally MILLIONS of white house buyers, over the past fifty years. It cannot be refuted, or argued against. It is the ONLY explanation.
(I call you a tyrant because your post shows you are incapable of thinking about what EVERYBODY ELSE wants. I don't care if YOU like living in a 'multiculti' society, MOST of us DO NOT...)
David Radford
To Danny
26.05.2009 02:41
My point, badly put, was that the statistical evidence for knife crime exists and is accessible. Max claimed these statistic no longer exist. His further claim that 41 of 42 knife crimes were "black" would be about 97.6% of crime. Clearly the analysis of City of London Crime figures might be radically different to elsewhere, but it seems implausible that this difference could exist if 97.6% fall into one statistical set that the City of London Statistics must be a subset of. Quite simply, 28 crimes in one part of London out of 42 in all of London would account for 66% of crimes and so make Maxs claim unsupportable. Perhaps Max feels comfortable with the BNP lie that knife crime is a "black" problem.
The issue of why crime is disproportionately represented among different groups is not simplistically down to immigrants being poor but also to the statistical and analytical methods of reporting. While you point to class as being significant, I would point to age. There seems to be a systematic discrimination against people for being young. Hence, if you are young - regardless of of class - you are more likely to be arrested and appear in statistics for knife crime. True, middle class children will not suffer as much criminalisation as the Poor, but they will inflate some statistics first. Realistically, I would consider social statistics as indicating where to look rather than being the truth.
My argument was that Max was talking tosh: the statistics are available. Detailed analysis is useful. But it is far easier to get to the point: information destroys BNP Bollocks every time.
Stormfront Propagandist
City of London Police?
26.05.2009 05:58
Fact checker
Statistics
26.05.2009 09:13
"I am a little unsure as to how "my" statistics undermine my argument."
You've quoted the total number of a certain crime reported to the police in one area by 'race' without adjusting that for the total population breakdown of 'race' in that area. It gives a false indication of the total number of that one crime. What you've quoted actually reinforces the argument you are intuitively opposing. You shouldn't try to use statistics to prove a point unless you understand statistics. What you have just done, unwittingly, is +prove+ that 'black' people are more violent.
If there were any semi-intelligent fascists here then they would rip you to shreds over that mistake. Luckily there aren't. It's very probable that more 'black' people commit violent crime than most 'white' people. There is a simple reason for that that is nothing to do with genetics. We live in a racist society that makes 'black' people poorer than white people. If you were to examine the figures using a class analyis then you'd see there is no racial difference, that poor white people are just as likely to be violent as any other 'race' and that the real violence in this country is caused by economic class violence. The rich abuse the poor, the poor abuse each other. I've put the term 'race' in quotes because I have much more in common with any poor 'black' than I do with any privileged middle-class person , whether 'white' or 'black'. Race is a racist term.
Danny
No answers from the Left yet, I see...
26.05.2009 09:42
In other words, you are saying that MOST white people DON'T WANT TO LIVE AROUND BLACK PEOPLE.
Do you believe in democracy? If so, then the wishes of the majority should prevail, and should HAVE prevailed back in the 60s, when this multi-culti nightmare was IMPOSED on us all, and then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
As for your laughable attempts to excuse endemic black crime, please explain the following:
View this PDF file from the USDOJ:
then look at the fourth set of results:
"Rape/Sexual assault".
See where it says "Black only"? (Those are the VICTIMS' races) Look across to
"Perceived race of offender" - under WHITE it says ZERO.
Which means NO WHITES raped any BLACKS in 2005.
Now look at where it says "White only" (those are the VICTIMS' races) - look across to "Perceived race of offender" - under BLACK it says
33.6%, and other OTHER (non-whites, in other words), it says 19.6%.
Which means that
In 2005, there were
37,460 white women raped by BLACK MEN,
21,852 white women raped by other NON-WHITE MEN,
and ZERO BLACK WOMEN RAPED BY WHITE MEN.
Care to explain?
And you think we whites WANT this?
David Radford
David Radford
26.05.2009 09:53
Danny
danny
26.05.2009 12:18
grow up
kettle
proof in the pudding
26.05.2009 12:48
What confuses me is that people who don't live in strong multi-racial areas, seem to hold a strong opinion that everything is "ok", without having to live within these areas on a day to day basis.
Its not. I used to be a strong supporter of a multicultural society. I also thought: "whats the problem? why are people being racist?". But having lived in some of the areas in manchester than have a high number of asians for the last 10+ years, I have completely turned this opinion on my head. Levenshulme is a hellhole, so in Openshaw. They are generally always on the take, always trying to sell you your leg whilst they are sawing it off. Whalley Range is ok except for the problems around the Mosque. Didsbury - your car get blocked in every single day because Muslims just park across driveways because they are late for prayer. If you ask them to move they swear at you. I'd also fed of of Muslim women walking around my shadow because they think its dirty - this I find particular offensive. I don't like all the progaganda that is put up selling that Britain is evil and Islam is best.
Its not being racist (colour of skin). Its more I just don't like the culture: their attitudes to those around them. Of course I'm being generalist here, but this is what it is like if you live here.
I have sinced an area that is predominately white and, although it is far from perfect, it is much more pleasant. So, why have I changed my opinion from supporting a multi-racial England to thinking that it "just wont work"? Basically, I'm a product of my environment.
harold
Statistics
26.05.2009 13:04
the detailed use of statistics was never necessary to the argument. The claim was the statistics do not exist. They do. That gets rid of the BNP Bollocks argument.
You are right that the City of London statistics might not have been weighted to ethnic proportions. But, again, that was not the point. If The City of London has 28 of the 42 knife incidents then it is numerically impossible for 41 out of the 42 incidents in the whole of London to have involved black offenders, because more than one offence in the City of London was by a white offender. Hence, the 41/42 statistic fails to be numerically possible. Again the BNP Bollocks argument disappears.
You are actually wasting way too much effort engaging your brain above the level of the usual rank and file Fascist, Racist, BNP Supporter. Had the posting been on Stormfront I could have written: "The statistics exist, muppet. The statistics say five white offenders. where did you go to school you muppet. Stupidstan? Bollocks." Different level of discourse entirely.
Perhaps the number 42 was chosen by someone unaware that Douglas Adams used it as the answer to life the universe and everything. Perhaps it was also chosen by someone unaware of how many Stormfront Posters fake their identity.
Stormfront Propagandist
Statistics
26.05.2009 13:04
the detailed use of statistics was never necessary to the argument. The claim was the statistics do not exist. They do. That gets rid of the BNP Bollocks argument.
You are right that the City of London statistics might not have been weighted to ethnic proportions. But, again, that was not the point. If The City of London has 28 of the 42 knife incidents then it is numerically impossible for 41 out of the 42 incidents in the whole of London to have involved black offenders, because more than one offence in the City of London was by a white offender. Hence, the 41/42 statistic fails to be numerically possible. Again the BNP Bollocks argument disappears.
You are actually wasting way too much effort engaging your brain above the level of the usual rank and file Fascist, Racist, BNP Supporter. Had the posting been on Stormfront I could have written: "The statistics exist, muppet. The statistics say five white offenders. where did you go to school you muppet. Stupidstan? Bollocks." Different level of discourse entirely.
Perhaps the number 42 was chosen by someone unaware that Douglas Adams used it as the answer to life the universe and everything. Perhaps it was also chosen by someone unaware of how many Stormfront Posters fake their identity.
Stormfront Propagandist
school boy errors
26.05.2009 15:28
>>> Statistics........ 28 stabbings have occurred in the City of London Police force area
Ok....
Firstly, a big geography error. The info request was with the COL Police. The "City of London" is a very, very, very tiny area. Hence there are only 28 stabbings and not many people live (except if you are loaded). 'm talking abount "Greater London" which is where people actually live and where the stabbing occur that were highlighted in the mainstream media. If you are confused about which is which and the differenct sizes - I've linked a map here:
Secondly, you seem not understand what the statistics mean.... which is quite common
If we just look at the COL statistics (which has nothing to do with my original point), but still completely proves i'm right:
-- White: 39.3%, Black: 25.0%, Asian: 10.7%, Other: 3.6%, Unknown: 21.4%
If there was equal number of people from each ethnic group, then yes, this would mean a higher percentage of white's commit stabbing when compared to blacks. But they arn't. I refer to good old wikipedia for the 2001 demographic census....
Ref 2001 census: "71.15% of these seven and a half million people classed their ethnic group as white ...... 10.91% as Black"
So lets convert that to actual numbers of people:
Number of whites = 71.15% of 7,500,000 ==> 5,336,250
Number of blacks = 10.91% of 7,500,000 ==> 818,250
So there are about 6.5 times as many whites as there are blacks. So, if all things equal, you would expect there to be 6.5 times as many stabbings committed by white people as there are blacks. The statitics you provided show that whites only commit 1.6 times as many stabbings as blacks.
Therefore, its pretty easy to see that a black person is statistically more likely to commit a knife crime that a white person in the City of London.
Max
Schoolboy Errors.
26.05.2009 16:02
As to my ability to understand statistics: you are as naive as you are racist. The use of percentages is a normalising measure which ensures comparisons between populations is possible. This ensures that comparison of City of London to Greater London is statistically correct as it allows comparison of proportional rather than absolute figures and so highlights pattern. The error of renormalising to general population numbers using population estimates is bad practice where the raw data, rather than aggregates, are available. This is the case with Greater London. Justification for concluding anything from those comparisons is not warranted if you can demonstrate the populations are not normally distributed - which you can not be sure for the Wikipedia article cited (even if the raw data comes from the ONS, which I seriously doubt).
The City of London might well be outside the first two standard deviations of London for a lot of things. The City of London is inside the set of raw counts that make up Greater London Crime figures. Your 41 out of 42 statistic is nonsense because 28 counts occur inside City of London. Your claim that crime figures are not available is nonsense. Now your are compounding the nonsense by attempting to work from the particular to the general while at the same time claiming that the particular cannot be generalised.
BNP Bollocks. Big ones.
How about you generalised from the London Crime figures to the National Crime Figures? Suddenly you get a huge overestimate of knife crime. Clearly there are localised clusters of high knife crime. The whole idea that you can make conclusions about that is not plausible. The error - in this case, overestimate of knife crime - makes conclusions suspect to begin with.
Consider the simple argument:
Knife crime statistics do exist
you are too lazy to find knife crime statistics
you claim knife crime statistics do not exist
Conclusion: no racist can find anything that exists.
It is a statistically sound argument: I just generalised from one racist to all racists.
Stormfront Propagandist
got a point
26.05.2009 16:12
lol - owned!!!!!!!!!!!!
ripe!
Be realistic
26.05.2009 17:12
Lucy
stormfront
26.05.2009 17:40
I'm trying to work out what you mean. I'm gathering you think that the COL figures quoted are normalised against the population proportions. I'm sorry but it really isn't that complex.
FIGURES ARE NOT NORMALISED. THEY ARE JUST RAW PERCENTAGES
The FOI is literally just how many out of the 28. You can see this if you worked out the percentages against the "28" stabbings.
39.3% of 28 = 11.004
25% of 28 = 7
10.7% of 28 = 2.996
3.6% of 28 = 1.008
21.4% of 28 = 5.992
Theres slight rounding errors, but its obvious they are whole numbers. The percentages really are just how many out of those 28. No normalising or any corrections against population. Just raw figures.
IN SIMPLE TERMS:
--> Out of the 28 stabbings. 11 were done by whites. 7 were done by blacks.
If (and its a big if), these figures were also representative of Greater London, and considering there are approximately 6.5 times as many whites as there are blacks in London, then those figures are obviously pointing that a black person is more likely to stab someone than a white person.
But it really is hard to find figures that cross reference crime against ethnicity. I have actually looked, im not being lazy. These figures arnt readily available because of the implication it would have. If you do have links, I'd appreciate them.
----- "Your 41 out of 42 statistic is nonsense because 28 counts occur inside City of London."
I don't quite understand what you mean here. The 41/42 figures was a very brief snapshot statistic in the greater london area. It was just saying 41 out of the "last" 42. It was quite a while ago and was looking over a very short period. And it was greater london.
Also, your FOI request statistics was looking over a 7 year period. 28 stabbings in COL in 7 years. There are a lot lot more in Greater London - more like several a week.
btw. I don't support the BNP. I think their policies and especially that leaflet with the fake testimonials was a bit insulting and treated people like idiots. I don't know why I have to even say that -- but you seem to your animonsity cloud your analytical thinking.
max
Lucy
26.05.2009 18:21
////Surely the only reason knife crime is more of a problem in predominantly black areas rather than white is that our rascist society has forced a large percenage of the black minority into under-privilliged 'ghetto..........
Thats possible. But considering most of the victims are also non-white, I don't think racism against whites is a cause. Poverty most likely has a big part to play, but then again they arn't the only ones that are living in poverty. I actually think its a cultural thing. I traveled some of Africa and to be frank violent and gang crime is much more prevalent there than it is here. Astonishingly so. Nairobi was a particularly bad place to be. To a certain degree, I think that culture has mirrored itself over here.
As to sorting it out, the last I heard the police were working with communities leaders in black areas to see what could be done. But I never really heard what that entailed.
max
Lucy...
26.05.2009 23:28
Or maybe the "only" reason that blacks commit more knife crime than whites (that is a realistic expression of your 'politically correct' phrasing above, comrade), is because of their RACE?
But anyway, thanks for backing up everything I've said. YOU said "our rascist (sic) society".
So I presume you are saying that MOST white people are "racist" - i.e. that they prefer to live around their own people.
Do you believe in democracy?
Or do you think that a better solution is for YOU to have YOUR way, and to FORCE the majority to completely change their lives and their country, by allowing in millions of clearly unwelcome immigrants (your claim when you said "rascist society"), and for what purpose, exactly?
As far as Danny goes - hilarious. You resort to a clear death threat on a public forum, which is one of the only cases of speech which the vast majority of the population would expect you to be spoken to by the police for.
Come on then, 'comrades', since you claim that blacks are no more likely to be violent criminals than whites - post up TEN equivalent white murderers every week for every black murderer.
It shouldn't be difficult - after all, the controlled media does everything it can to hide the crimes committed against whites, by blacks, yet if a black person is killed by a white, it is all over the news for literally months, even years...
How many blacks have been stabbed or shot to death by other blacks this year alone?
CAN YOU FIND ME TEN TIMES AS MANY SIMILAR MURDERS BY WHITES THIS YEAR?
If not - are you seriously suggesting that we 'evil' whites should just put up with this hell, until WE have learnt to be sufficiently 'tolerant' of blacks (and other non-whites) that they magically become more law abiding?
Lucy - you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Ten years ago I wasn't remotely concerned about race or immigration. Then a new friend of mine moved into an 'enriched' area, not five miles from my home. He didn't know that it was an 'enriched' area, and I didn't make a big deal of it when he went to look at the flat there. I should have told him, but didn't want to appear 'racist'.
Many was the time that I drove him home (he didn't have a car) and felt how unsafe it was, just stopping the car in his street, with the 'enrichers' wandering around, normally in the MIDDLE OF THE ROAD, of course, but never mentioned it. After he had been living there for only three months, he was mugged. He was only a few yards from his front door, but had to walk round the block, as obviously he didn't want his attacker to know where he lived. He wasn't physically assaulted, but was incredibly traumatised by it.
Do I need to state the RACE of the mugger?
Do I need to tell you what my friend then did? Well obviously, he MOVED into a more WHITE area.
Just going into that area made me realise how lucky I was to already live in a WHITE area.
This by no means is to say that I think that ALL non-whites are criminals, and obviously I don't think that ALL whites are saints - there are hundreds of thousands of white criminal scumbags in this country.
What matters is what PROPORTION of each group are criminal. Their general attitude. And what it means for us, as a race.
Perhaps you can explain to us all why an all white country is such a terrible thing to you. Seriously - explain it.
The vast majority of the populations of ALL white countries obviously do not want non-whites living among them.
Why would we? What do WE gain from it?
We can ALL see what we LOSE from it, all around us...
Can you explain why the BNP site is by far the most popular political website?
Why aren't people queuing up to get on the Socialist Workers' website, since you claim that MOST of us WANT mass immigration?
And would any of you Lefties like to explain my hypothesis about 'Revealed preference'?
David Radford
The elephant in the room...
26.05.2009 23:41
By trying to answer them, you have two choices:
a) You realise you are quite simply wrong, and admit it, and look at the facts rather than wishful thinking, or
b) You realise you are quite simply wrong, don't admit it, and use the tried and tested liberal hand wringer escape methods, and keep on being wrong, KNOWING that you are wrong, for reasons that are beyond my comprehension.
Begin with 'revealed preference':
MOST white people want to live in an all white country (as we have done for over 10,000 years).
I can prove it unequivocally, without even asking any of them their opinions, by using scientific facts, otherwise known as 'Revealed Preference'.
In the 1950s, when the first black families came over here to live, they moved into certain areas. Those areas rapidly became 'ghettos' and experienced an increase in non-whites, and a decrease in whites.
As soon as a house went up for sale in one of those areas, in the 1960s and 1970s, there would have been at least twenty times as many potential WHITE buyers as non-white. Yet somehow, those areas became more and more non-white. The ONLY scientific explanation for this is if the vast majority of potential white buyers did not want to live around non-whites. This is a hypothesis which is proved correct by the actions of literally MILLIONS of white house buyers, over the past fifty years. It cannot be refuted, or argued against. It is the ONLY explanation.
How do you explain this?
Or this?
I am all for freedom of association and TRUE democracy.
So if some white people actually WANT to live in a 'multicultural' society, I am all in favour of it. Notice my use of the word "WANT".
Your problem is that you are in favour of FORCING this hell onto us. Can you explain WHY you think that YOU should be able to IMPOSE a complete and irreversible change of life onto the 60 million people in this country? How do you know they agree with you? House buying choices prove otherwise... 'Hate' speech laws prove otherwise... Political correctness proves otherwise...
'Racism' only exists among white people who have been FORCED to accept huge influxes of foreigners into THEIR towns and cities. Don't tell me- you don't think they ARE 'their' towns and cities, am I right? You think that the WHOLE WORLD should be able to just come in and benefit from what WE and our PARENTS built? Care to explain WHY?
There is a very simple solution to ALL 'racism' - a GUARANTEED way to end ALL of it.
Simply allow the country to split into two parts: one part will be an all white, 'racist' part, where all the 'evil' whites who have the audacity to want to associate with people like themselves, can go and live, and the other part will be the 'multi culti' part, where you and your Leftie friends can go and enjoy the 'rich benefits and 'vibrancy' of 'diveristy''.
Sound okay to you?
The only problem being, of course, that YOUR partition would only have about 1% of the white population, and the rest of the population will be the ever expanding immigrant population... But that won't bother you, will it, because you believe that land masses afford people intelligence and temperament, so your immigrant friends will soon have their own computer chip fab plant set up, and have a black lesbian single mother landing on the moon before the decade is out!
So what exactly DO you believe? Your laughable arguments are full of holes, as I have proved conclusively above. You deal in platitudes and wishful thinking, and avoid FACTS like the plague. This is tantamount to insanity. No wonder you all have such difficult lives - how the hell do you cope when you have to constantly censor the very world that you see all around you?
David Radford
THIS is the result of mass immigration
26.05.2009 23:48
Have a long hard read of that article. The insane left wing journalist is actually asking people to write TRIBUTES to the Zimbabwean idiot who killed THREE innocent people. As if HE is somehow worthy of 'tributes'.
Let me explain to you Leftwing cretins what happened in Zimbabwe: when it was under white rule, no blacks were starving. Blacks were not owned as slaves - they worked on the farms and Zimbabwe was known as the 'breadbasket of Africa', because it produced a SURPLUS of food, which was exported to other countries in Africa.
Then Mugabe took the land from the 'evil' 'racist' white farmers (who were feeding the entire country, and were hardly millionaires), and gave it to the unskilled black Zimbabweans, who have now just left the country to turn into a dustbowl, with the result that millions of them are going to STARVE TO DEATH.
THAT is where the LIES of 'political correctness' get you - your sickening dishonesty and 'spin' results in the DEATHS of millions of people.
Nobody was allowed to say, when Mugabe was driving white farmers off the land - "Hang on - the blacks don't know how to farm, and they will starve to death", because that might be seen as being 'racist', and we can't allow that, can we 'comrades'.
You idiots are beyond a joke. Thank god your reign of terror will soon be over, when the BNP get into power.
Let me explain that for you in more detail: this country has only TWO choices over the next twenty years: either the BNP get into power, all immigration is stopped, and millions of non-whites LEAVE, and we return to a 99% white country, OR, the BNP don't get into power, the different races in this country continue to SEPARATE into different areas, and we end up with a CIVIL WAR. Another Bosnia. Millions will die, millions will be displaced, it will be hell on Earth, and all because a bunch of self aggrandising left wing tossers who think THEY should be allowed to rule over the majority, who clearly disagree with them, refused to allow us democracy.
So come on 'comrades', why don't you tell us what you think about democracy...
David Radford
Most 'racial' crimes are against whites...
26.05.2009 23:51
That was in 2001. I can hardly imagine it is any better now.
"Local councillor Abdul Jabbar said: ''It would appear there is a pattern. Single white men are being singled out by young Asian gangs and I honestly don't know why.''"
Yes, I believe him... Not.
Of course, if gangs of white youths were going around stabbing lone ASIANS as they walked home, it would be all over the news, wouldn't it!
Clearly stating that a white person's life is worth far less than a non-white person's life - according to the undemocratic idiots in the media...
Any comments?
David Radford
Those 'racist' Latinos...
27.05.2009 00:01
"Latino groups have been grumbling somewhat about their representation (or lack thereof) in the Obama administration, as well as the fact that immigration reform doesn't appear to be on the White House's front-burner."
"their representation"? Surely they aren't saying that ths new judge will be a RACIST, are they? Of course they are- but it's OKAY for ANY non-white to talk about 'their' race', 'their' people, isn't it... just not for whites...
Why are millions of Mexicans illegally moving into the United States? Why is the United States BETTER than Mexico? It must be the LAND MASS, mustn't it! It can't be anything to do with those damn EUROPEANS who BUILT America, put men on the moon, etc. no sirree...
Good luck to you, Lucy, when your country is 90% non-white, absolutely crime ridden, with no safe areas to live in whatsoever, no more infrastructure, no hospitals, no dentists, no (trustworthy) police force, endemic corruption, mass starvation, civil war - yes, we've got all of that to look forward to, because of idiots like you, who are so concerned about how 'caring' you look, that you'd rather the entire world descends into literal hell on Earth, than admit you're wrong.
GO AND LIVE IN HAITI and tell us, from THERE, how we are "all the same".
David Radford
Typical Leftwing censorship
27.05.2009 11:22
You leftwing nutcases are a hoot.
David Radford
Ignore London
27.05.2009 17:38
I's suggest Glasgow is a better indicator of whether violent crime, especially knife crime, is race related or class related. In the past decade, Glasgow has the lions share of non-white immigration in Scotland. It also has the lions share of stabbings in Scotland. (Forgive the lack of statistics, search for yourself if you doubt me). Superficially that may seem like a correlation between non-white immigration and knife crime, not that correllation equates to causation. However knife crime in Glasgow has decreased significantly over the past decades and centuries when non-white immigration was extremely minimal. The truth is knife crime is closer linked to poverty than to race, and the only reason the fascist trolls here can link it to race is because race is linked to poverty.
Poor people kill each other more. Immigrants are more likely to be poor. It is an argument for social integration, for equality or race and class, instead of chasing our tails after fascist trolls misdirection.
Danny
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