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yet if your house was burgled, or you were robbed or attacked the police would be the first person you call.
Funny how the scum quickly become your best mates when you need them.

I reckon there should be a list with people like you on it. Anyone with an attitude like yours should be refused assistance when you need it. See if you change your tune then.

Ignore the idiots who regurgitate the rubbish about who would you call if your house was burgled, etc. That IS the point... the "police" only turn up AFTER the crimes have been committed. This IS why we must reclaim the "RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES" and als "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS" that are natural human rights under common law.

They have used false legislation and fake "statutory laws" to try and rob the people of their inherent rights under common law. The right to bear arms was made illegal [but not unlawful] after WWI because they were afraid of the British people who were beginning to wake up and realised they had been used.

They CANNOT take away our Common Law rights... only bury them and oppress the people, which is exactly what they are doing now. We must reclaim our COMMON LAW rights and take back the COMMON LAND that has been stolen over centuries by these criminals in power and aided and abbetted by these thugs in uniform that call themselves the police.

THE POLICE ARE SHIT!

> yet if your house was burgled, or you were robbed or attacked the police would be the first person you call.
Funny how the scum quickly become your best mates when you need them.

Have you had your house burgled Bob? Sometimes the filth can't even be bothered to turn up. Even if they do they can't be arsed to fingerprint forced doors etc. No, that'd be far too much like hard work. You get a crime number for insurance purposes and that's it.

> I reckon there should be a list with people like you on it.

Tell me, how is it walking around with your head in that bucket?

Mr Fahy,

You were seen trying to justify your actions with the arrest and detention of people you contended to be "terrorists" in the last couple of weeks. During this time, you had a high profile in the media and used this to ruin the reputation of quite harmless individuals.

Having subjected these people to humiliation and trial by media, at the end of the day, you found nothing to support your claims. These people have been subjected to an ordeal by your officers. They are quite clearly innocent (I did think that a fundamental principal of English Law was innocent until proved guilty but you appear to be ignorant of this) but nevertheless, there is no admission by you that the whole operation was a complete waste of time and resources. It did provide a timely obfuscation for the criticism of the Police after the G20 protests however.

They are still subjected to trial by innuendo in the media. You are responsible for this.

Let us contrast this with your time as Chief Constable of Cheshire Police. During this period an accountant in Chester stole £400,000 of Governement Training Grants while he was Chairman of Chester Chamber of Trade and Enterprise. Half the population of Chester know of this, including the MP. Up to now, he has never been questioned about this matter, let alone arrested and charged. He has retired and lives the high life on the proceeds of his crime.

In 2008, someone took this up with Cheshire Police. They were asked why this crime had never been dealt with despite clear evidence of theft. They were told it would be "looked into" and advised of the position. Cheshire Police were not happy about this and decided to harass the person who had asked a reasonable question of them. To date, Cheshire Police have not responded further on this. The criminal is at large and still enjoying the public money he stole.

In this case, the criminal was a Freemason. He is also a pal of the Duke of Westminster. Can we take it that these factors have allowed him to escape justice? That Cheshire Police participated in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice?

There seems to be a case for malfeasance against Cheshire Police. It is also clear that Cheshire Police are corrupt. Your actions as Chief Constable of Cheshire Police were corrupt and they continue to be corrupt now you are Chief Constable of Manchester.

"who would you call if your house was burgled"

of course i'd call the police. not because i agree with them nor because i expect anything from them, but to get the crime reference number, a prerequisite to getting the insurance sorted.

The Police would be the last lot I would call whatever the circumstances. In fact, I have been threatened and told "you can call the Police, you can call who you like, it won't do any good". No, Plod is not an option. Better to make other arrangements. Plod is dishonest.

its a red riding quote, but its spot on.

cop "if someone kicks down your door, kills your dog and rapes your wife, who do you call?"
person "well it wouldn't be the west Yorkshire police would it, they would already be their!"

i bet you are mostly a bunch of white rich boys who complain about the police but if you ever get nicked, then your rich mommy or daddy can sort you out. the police are only doing their job, and if you look like a smelly hippy crusty then you should expect to get it, you fucking junkies.

First I would like to thank the moderators of this site for their work, it must be so hard to work out what is NEWS, and ACAb saying he dosn't like police is a huge shock and worthy of the title.

I would like to have a look at some of the topics with the eye of REALTY.

“Little john”
Can you tell me the section of common law (ie case law) that stated that an individual may carry arms in defense of themselves, had a good look at the old blackstones and I am struggling.
Common law is near unchangeable and is used extensively today in court, but as it was a broad brush set of offenses (murder etc) it only refers to a small number of events.
All law in Scotland is common law (ie, annoying a constable) so if the G20 is held there it will be fun. In England all offences are at heart common law as this is called “case law”, statutory law is less used in criminal cases as case law is stronger.

“Concerned of Halton Moor”
Sorry to hear that you were burgled, but hey, property is theft as they say so who cares, call it “redistribution of wealth”. As to the police not fingerprinting a forced door, without knowing the case or the scene I cant give you a good reason, except that burglars normally force doors with their feet by kicking them, and a brief check will determine if there was any point to forensicating the door (this is done visually, and is standard practice, some basic forensic books are available online).
Most burglars are opportunistic and will live locally to you, if the method of the offense is of note then this will be compared to the method records held by police and more than one offense can be linked together, giving police a better clue as to who did it, and arrest them (this happens a lot, with most offenses of this type being added to the TIC (taken into consideration)).

Hope this has cleared up any misunderstanding that may have arisen, as a friend put it “until they issue a crystal ball how are we to know”

Oh I'm not a cop btw, I work for the NHS on the front line.

First I would like to thank the moderators of this site for their work, it must be so hard to work out what is NEWS, and ACAb saying he dosn't like police is a huge shock and worthy of the title.

I would like to have a look at some of the topics with the eye of REALTY.

“Little john”
Can you tell me the section of common law (ie case law) that stated that an individual may carry arms in defense of themselves, had a good look at the old blackstones and I am struggling.
Common law is near unchangeable and is used extensively today in court, but as it was a broad brush set of offenses (murder etc) it only refers to a small number of events.
All law in Scotland is common law (ie, annoying a constable) so if the G20 is held there it will be fun. In England all offences are at heart common law as this is called “case law”, statutory law is less used in criminal cases as case law is stronger.

“Concerned of Halton Moor”
Sorry to hear that you were burgled, but hey, property is theft as they say so who cares, call it “redistribution of wealth”. As to the police not fingerprinting a forced door, without knowing the case or the scene I cant give you a good reason, except that burglars normally force doors with their feet by kicking them, and a brief check will determine if there was any point to forensicating the door (this is done visually, and is standard practice, some basic forensic books are available online).
Most burglars are opportunistic and will live locally to you, if the method of the offense is of note then this will be compared to the method records held by police and more than one offense can be linked together, giving police a better clue as to who did it, and arrest them (this happens a lot, with most offenses of this type being added to the TIC (taken into consideration)).

Hope this has cleared up any misunderstanding that may have arisen, as a friend put it “until they issue a crystal ball how are we to know”

Oh I'm not a cop btw, I work for the NHS on the front line.

The law is neither here nor there. The fact that certain people who wear the 'correct' hats and badges are allowed to keep firearms while the rest of us are persecuted them for doing the same if we don't jump through their hoops is yet another example of the hypocracy that is the state's monopoly on the use of force. The police's main role is to keep 'public order'/the status quo. The biggest threat to them is people looking out for themselves and their communities without recourse to the state. All justice is ultimately vigilate justice. It is sad how pacified people have become.

A question to anon on the NHS front line..................Oooooooooooooh

You have a dig at the moderators for allowing the posting as its not news, then use the site to have a look at some topics in the eyes of REALITY (I presume the capitals are to indicate to us unintelligent anarchist hordes that your reality is the all seeing eye of truth)?

Is that why you had to post your article twice under two different headings........you the leading light of knowledge and reality.....Sorry REALITY.

Tell me please in the eyes of "REALITY" what was the point you were trying to make?

I agree with age old anarchist that ACA indeed B and if your not a copper then why state you work for some other organisation? The NHS does that gave you REALITY points? more so if its front line....

Confused

"Swapper"

Off the computer u little rascal - its a school night, come on now bath n bed and if your really good you can have a storey about how the police allow us to sleep safely in our beds.

There, there its all OK, Once upon a time there lived a little boy who was scared of the big bad world..........

One thing is obvious the police are a political tool used to suppress, vilify, terrorise maim and sometimes even kill those who are a threat or percieved threat to the state. Many of them enjoy this role and whilst they are acting in this role have to be challenged. There is also much reasonable debate to be had concerning the police in general. How do we defend communities and individuals from violence, theft and yet another bunch of thugs and bullies who prey on the weak without the police and criminal justice system? How do we in our own communities deal fairly with for example a rapist? How do we stop people being cruel to others? I have no idea and would be interested in what ideas people have on these matters.

HOWEVER they, the police, also do other stuff and to be fair often do things well and with compassion (for example I once got involved in stopping an attack on a woman whose "pimp" had got rid of all her clothes, a police woman gave her clothes from her own wardrobe). For a start they are a gateway to the criminal justice system and even getting a payout from insurance companies. Several scenarios, a multiple pile up, a gang beating up a lone man, finding the mutilated corpse of a young child I would without any hesitation call the police. They have the resources to deal with these situations paid partly (if rather unwillingly) by me I personally think that in these 3 examples that the greater good is served by the police as I would be out of my depth. If the police did not arrive I would do the best I could to help those concerned. In the case of the man being beaten if I had lots of friends with me we could probably deal with the situation ourselves if the police did not arrive by using force if necessary. Likewise in the pile up individuals can and do work together in emergencies to limit damage and help the injured, indeed during the floods several activists in this area even directed traffic away from dangerous bridges and helped sandbag the homes of the elderly enabling the police to do other things in order to help our own community in an emergency. Murdered child? surely this is beyond the realm of any of us.

Of course the police as an institution are the bully boys and girls of the corporations primarily whether they themselves recognise this or not. After all elderly people being targeted by yobs get hardly any help against the bullying whilst last week at Sequani we had 2 police officers each defending a few corporate buildings from a peaceful demo. It is clear where the priorities lie and the resources go (£4.5 million plus at Sequani) but there are times when the police do help communities and individuals. How we become self reliant as activists from them all together, or even if this is desirable is a matter of much deliberation and discussion which the poster seems to have intiated well.

Ho Ho what fun...

“Confused prick”

Sorry if using capitals to indicate a desire to examine the previous statements through harsh realities rather than opinion, it seems to have offended you to the core,pity as I was just trying to correct a couple of misconceptions and add a little debate, but this is obviously not the right crowd for debate just slavish adherence to dogma.

Posted twice because the site flat lined and it said it had not posted, so I tried again, please feel free to check with the admin.

“lynn”

While I would have to disagree with you as to some of your points I am glad to see at least someone at least able to see more than one side to the argument.
Because I work in a hospital I do meet loads of police either guarding someone or getting treatment for bites/cuts sustained,and I have found that in general the majority find themselves between rock and a hard place, on one hand doing the job they signed up for (catching crooks and saving lives) and on the other being called up to do demos where they will get spat at, abused and generally degraded for hours on end by people who think that they are on the side of the government etc, when it says on their order that they have to “uphold the right to protest” but also obey the oath they took which says “to preserve life and property”.

Yes the cops have weapons, as they are regularly up against drunk and drugged people (who we also meet) they need a way of defending themselves and others, most that I meet in central London have never used them, or if they have then there is a horror story attached to it involving knives etc.

I have seen bad cops as well, they are very rare and are openly distrusted by even their own side, most of them will have the internal investigations on them.
I think people should take responsibility for their actions, and I feel they would want the same, has anyone (outside of a demo) asked them? Try talking to them when they are just on the beat or on some bit of tape away from the action. Confrontation breed confrontation, so just talk to them and you will be amazed, I was.

This is just my view, based on talking to bored cops on night shifts in A&E or the wards. I agree that they have a lot to answer for and a shake up is needed, but the “street meat” as one called himself, do stuff that people never see and we never hear of.

I now expect a vitriol and hate filled answer, because opinion has greater sway than experience.

Many years ago as a student nurse I remember on an A and E shift this policeman holding the hand of and gently talking to a very agitated, frightened, potentially violent man. His patience and kindness was an inspiration, as a human being at that time this PC was an example of how we should all aspire to be in the face of someone with a mental crisis, truthfully he was better than any of the health professionals present.

I too have seen good and as an animal rights activist I have seen very corrupt, violent, provocative policing. My view is that as an organisation the police protect as a priority corporations which are destroying our world this means that as an organisation they are rounding us up, beating us and actively dismantling what democracy there is in the UK. This means that we need to recognise them as our enemy if we are to continue fighting. Talking to the police is a dangerous sport which can lead to tears before bedtime, they are trained to get information from activists so I would urge caution. I do talk to some of them about policing, the weather etc however and certainly many of them are fraustrated by standing outside a lab en masse when they want to be spending time with a frightened elderly person who has been burgled, I recognise that these decisions were made very high up. These same officers will arrest me and kick my door in if ordered to do so however uncomfortable they may feel.

FIT and NETCU actually exist to undermine ALL protest regardless of legality. Sometimes the absolute hatred from police officers on demos is palpable which leads me to question what on earth was said at the briefing! One thing about the G20 was the fact that this was not just a few "bad apples" getting carried away, this was about crushing dissent. Someone very high up must have ordered the violence at Climate Camp and the charges at Bank. Someone very high up ordered the arrests of 114 activists in Nottingham and last years Climate Camp again was attacked by a conspiracy at the highest level. What was said at all of these briefings is of great interest to me. They were fired up by someone.

To my mind the police now have become so politically motivated as an organisation that they have even alienated their traditional allies in the mainstream media. Maybe FIT harassing ITV journalists and alienating the NUJ was not such a good idea after all, they now reap what they have sown. I suspect that within the rank and file many police officers are not too happy with the current state of affairs and I hope some of them have the integrity and courage to speak out against political policing and our slide as a nation into a police state.