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Letter from SHAC 7 veganarchist prisoner Dan Wadham

Support Dan Wadham | 25.03.2009 23:56 | SHAC | Animal Liberation | Repression | Social Struggles | World

Dan Wadham is a veganarchist and animal rights activist from the UK. On 23rd December 2008 he was convicted with others of 'Conspiracy to Blackmail', in relation to the Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC) campaign. Dan was remanded on 19th January 2009 during his sentencing. On 21st January 2009 he recieved a sentence of 5 years imprisonment.



A message from Dan from within the prison walls:

On March 1st, The Sunday Times printed an article about the actions of Andrian Radford AKA Ian Farmer - Ex soldier, gay rights activist, animal rights infiltrator and police informant.

Disgusting as the news was, it comes as no big surprise that the state would accompany their surveillance operations with an undercover agent.

For 3 years Radford pretended to be human in order to inform on the caring individuals and their attempts to rid this earth of the violence of vivisection. Whilst we showed him friendship and kindness, he showed us deceit and malice. Radford would claim his actions were in the interest of public protection, but it is him and his violent, murderous masters that ordinary folk need protecting from. Violence from the animal liberation movement has been virtually non-existent, indeed non-violent direct action and an unwillingness to harm our enemies in the pursuit of freedom has been a defining characteristic of this struggle. While we are motivated by compassion for all the living things, Radford is motivated by money, fame and glory - As evidenced by the fact he is publishing a book of his experiences, a tacky but predictable course of action for someone of his integrity.

Radford tries to come across as reasonable and fair by praising our friend Natasha Avery as “compassionate”, “beautiful” and “warm” adding that “she is also a nutcase who attacks people”. Well it is true that Natasha certainly is compassionate, beautiful and warm - words that could never describe scum like Radford - However she is neither a “nutcase” nor does she “attack people”. And the evidence in our court case proves that. In reality it would seem that it is in fact Radford who is the “nutcase who attacks people”. He is the one who was paid to deceive and manipulate good people, trap them and hand them over to the state. I mean really, what kind of person does it take to hand their supposed friends over to the state?! What kind of low down criminal could use a person’s physical disabilities against them in order to hide their own dirty secrets?.. As Radford did to Gavin Medd-Hall, a gentle soul who is registered blind and who was blamed by Radford for his own secret disruptions.

Radford claims he is proud of his work - he has to though doesn’t he? People like him can only function by smokescreening the reality of their actions with some sort of false moral superiority. Just like the vivisector tells himself he is ‘saving lives’, the snitch hides behind the charade of ‘public protection’. The only thing he is protecting is his bank balance and the monopoly of power wielded by the international drugs mafia that test their goods on beagle puppies at HLS.

One wanders, if we are such dangerous lunatics, why was the document printed in The Sunday Times - that was passed to police by Radford from within SHAC - about finding someone to work undercover in HLS? No-one can argue that organising an undercover investigation into a lab that has been exposed scores of times for cruelty, negligence, falsification of data and bad practice is not the work of extreme terrorists. Such investigations were at the heart of everything we did. As someone who worked alongside Gregg, Natasha, Heather and Gavin, I can say there was never anything more important to us than exposing the daily abuse and torture inside Huntingdon Life Sciences. These friends of mine are amongst some of the most inspiring people I have ever known and their spirit still glows in my heart despite these prison walls and razor wire between us.

Intelligence gathering aside, another function of the infiltrator is to break and divide relationships amongst our communities. The age old divide and rule tactic is an effective one for our enemies - and was indeed used by Radford when he blamed his disruptions on our dear friend Gavin Medd-Hall. This is why we must remember the importance of unity and solidarity.

An infiltrator can spread fear and suspicion like a disease, but we must not let this insidious plot take hold. Many of our number are behind bars - But that will not last forever. The psychological prison formed by our fear is a far greater foe than any police force or court case. I am sat here in the comfort of my prison cell feeling like one of the luckiest people alive. Lucky to have such strong and loving characters for friends. Lucky to have such unshakable support from the animal rights community. And most of all, lucky to not be facing the horrific situation facing millions of innocent individuals across the world. From the down trodden inhabitants of countries under repressive regimes to the residents of depleting natural habitats and the imprisoned creatures of global industry and commerce. The individuals in places like Huntingdon Life sciences are serving life sentences, no possibility of parole, no rights, no access to sunlight, flesh air. Those creatures have no-one but us, no chance of freedom but the freedom we fight for and win for them, and right now is the time to make sure the efforts of Radford and co. do not lessen their chances.

For the animals always
Dan
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Prisoner Address:

Dan Wadham (A5705AA)
HMP Camp Hill
Newport
Isle Of Wight
PO30 5PB

Links:
 http://myspace.com/shacukprisonersupport
 http://shac.net/features/prisoners.html
 http://indymedia.org.uk/en/actions/2008/shac

Background:
50 Years For The UK SHAC 7 -  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/419733.html
Anti-vivisection campaigners convicted of blackmail -  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/12/416251.html

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Not Violent?

26.03.2009 01:35

"Three animal rights activists launched a terrifying attack on a family, including a 75-year-old grandmother, for having a pro-hunting sticker on their car, a court heard yesterday.

Heather Nicholson, Natasha Avery and Daniel Wadham jumped out of their car while stuck in a traffic jam to spit, screamed abuse and banged on the windows of their victims."


 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-393881/Animal-rights-activists-admit-attack-grandmother.html

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Dan

26.03.2009 07:55

You are wonderful. When you look back at your life at least you can say regardless that from the first opportunity you fought for justice.

Unlike Paul (or Ian or Adrian) should really get back in his box and get on with writing his "book", can we have signed copies please? By the way Paul if you had infiltrated a dog fighting ring, the old IRA, Al Queda or any other really violent group or even a bunch of football hooligans you would not be permitted by your handlers to bore the public with your observations and opinions in essence because the general response appears just to be "ooops" rather than dispatching some death squad. We live, we learn, we move on and more importantly despite your best efforts SHAC is still going, HLS is still faltering, you are still a prat.

Lynn Sawyer


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Infiltrated or not?

26.03.2009 08:25

Infiltrated or not?

This post suggests that the nark DID infiltrate SHAC whereas previous posts have said he didn’t or did but was spotted.

What’s the truth in this or is it hopelessly naïve to expect truth in this matter?

Not Paul


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Infiltration a response

26.03.2009 12:33

SHAC was infiltrated by a number of people who were either linked to or in the direct employ of the police. The arrests and prosecutions were a result of this. The guilty pleas were because those arrested were overwhelmed by the details the police had about us, operations, financing and future plans. There are still some who are involved with SHAC at the highest level who I am absolutely convinced are grasses for the police. They will get theirs one day.

Some individuals are still away with the faryies trying to maintain that everything is fine, SHAC is getting stronger, HLS is collapsing blah blah blah but in reality SHAC is a spent force as far as UK animal rights are concerned. The money has nearly all gone, the leadership is in prison and only a small rump remains.

I hope one day we can rebuild but it is time to face reality. If some individuals think that the way to achieve this is post after post to Indymedia making comments that are so far detached from reality I question their sanity then so be it. I for one am finished. SHAC was seven years of my life and I am bitter about how the money was spent and how little we achieved with the goodwill and support we had at one point. I will work for the cause of animal rights back how I started with sabbing but SHAC and I have parted ways for ever.

Some people, including those who are contributors to Indymedia and other places need to remember we started this to prevent animal suffering and to change the attitudes of the wider public about the issue. Personal financial gain and building a media profile were not in the plan.

Alan Forrest - Former SHAC worker and activist
mail e-mail: Alanforrest814@hotmail.com


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Bye Alan

26.03.2009 14:31

Alan, We talked about this in Nottingham and I have to say I don't think that Indymedia is the place to be discussing this. I have emailed you as well but I know you don't check your mail every week so I have posted as well to here.

When this was discussed by the steering group the matter of money was put to bed. We all recognise that mistakes were made but repeating all the stuff in a public arena is not the right way to deal with it. So what if somebody spent money on their own needs, after weeks of working six days a week for the SHAC cause a bit of spa pampering is deserved I think, don't you ? Also you know as much as I do how much more difficult it makes the task of collecting public money on the stalls and demos when we have to answer questions about where the money goes, please remember that before you post again. We are lucky that most of our street contributors do not read Indymedia, what do you think what happen if they did and saw your post ?

We all know about those individuals who have links to the police and pharma companies but how do you suggest we deal with them, I don't remember any great ideas on your part ! We can ban them from meetings and drop them from email lists but we can't stop them attending demos or talking to people. Yes of course they are passing info to the police and in the past probably passed a lot more but again how do we stop that ? Please do tell if you have any bright ideas.

As I said at the begining I do not think this is the right place to be discussing this, if we are to re-build SHAC we will not do it in the eye of public scrutiny.

Unril every cage is empty

Solid as always.

Toni

toni in Watford


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Astounded

26.03.2009 17:19

Spa pampering? There goes all support I had for SHAC.

I wonder how many products tested on animals/containing animal ingredients were used at that spa? Using donated money for personal needs is one thing - for a luxury spa weekend is another entirely.

As for the admission of infiltration and continuing to allow them to operate then I'm just astounded - the fact that SHAC claims to know who the informers are but allow them to continue to participate is amazing.

I think it's best if activists continue to operate on their own and have as little to do with the "big groups" as possible. Big business, big oil, big tobacco, big pharma, big "activism" - all seem to bring nothing but trouble.

unpampered


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Blimey

26.03.2009 18:27

seems like there are some escapees from Shacwatch on the loose. Go and play somewhere else.

Lynn sawyer


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Eroded freedom of speech on Indy

26.03.2009 20:13

I noticed a post was deleted countering the claim that SHAC activist weren't violent yet they have conviction for assault. I think it relevant Indymedia allow post to counter claim when the post itself attacks the credibility of others. It was clearly not an abusive post just a link to a news report showing the author of this letter and the two female activist were found guilty of attacking an family parked in their car in London City.

If Indymedia is to keep it's credibility it needs to show a balance by allowing the truth to prevail. I am disappointed in what I've seen on this part of Indymedia over the past few months. Is Indymedia all about allowing single issue groups disseminate lies?

Richard Ronson


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Questions

26.03.2009 20:59

Lynn, are you claiming the posts by "Alan" and "Toni" aren't genuine?

I think some of us SHAC supporters would like assurances that what they say is false.

Either way we should still support Dan - whatever has gone on in the group he has lost his freedom fighting for animals.


Richard - attacking a car doesn't mean someone is violent. Property is just that, from what I know not a single person was assaulted.

unpampered


Assault claim.

26.03.2009 22:10

The assault wasn't on a car it was people inside the car and again this was a guilty plea.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-393881/Animal-rights-activists-admit-attack-grandmother.html

If you think that the act of criminal damage on a persons car, say late at night, isn't violence then what is it? These aggressive direct actions are designed to intimidate, it affects a person and families this is why it's done. It's an act of violence and to say it's not is a cop-out.

These SHAC activists claim to be none violent yet they have convictions for violent offences, some more than one and we should question these claims because they clearly aren't true.

One of the reasons our freedoms are begin eroded is because of these people and their campaign tactics.

Richard Ronson


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Go home....

26.03.2009 23:20

SHACwatch trolls! You can’t blame activists for civil liberties being taken away! It’s only activists’ ‘fault’ in the sense they have been effective and thus the government have taken action, the only way the govt. won’t fight them is if they are not effective.

Act NOW


Keeping to the article - extremely well written!

27.03.2009 01:53

"Many of our number are behind bars - But that will not last forever. The psychological prison formed by our fear is a far greater foe than any police force or court case. I am sat here in the comfort of my prison cell feeling like one of the luckiest people alive."

I'm certainly not glad a veganarchist is behind bars, but at least there is somebody who is speaking out in the way so many of us our thinking; anti-speciesists, veganarchists, shactivists past and present and fellow animal/earth liberationists.

The point Dan is making in the last paragraph is one that few liberationists are making, or even recognising. It's that the psychological prison (or self-policing) created by the police state, its repression and guardians; is as bad, if not usually worse, than the physcial constructs of prisons and brutality that individuals find themselves on the receiving end of.

It's not to say that it's a good thing to suffer from police brutality, but that it is better within the conditions of fighting back than to not act at all; as to not fight back because of a fear is a greater restriction on freedom than physcial constructs - because it is self-determined.

This is far from a new ideology or thought pattern, but ingrained within social change, struggles, revolution and particularly anarchist movements. It was recently heavily promoted by earth liberation prisoner Jeff Luers, a fellow eco-veganarchist. It's just a shame this is common knowledge within the anarchist movement, but rarely understood or advocated within the animal liberation movement - despite the quantity and quality of militant direct action (MDA).

If it were understood, MDA would increase at a greater pace than at present. The activists that believe this are usually those on bail or in prison who find out from experience, instead of because of the believe in the concept. If more people realised and more prisoners and repressed activists advocated this ideology (such as Dan is) - there would be a lot more fearless activists and anarchists on the streets, day and night.

Solidarity for Dan Wadham!

veganarchist


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shac and its problems

27.03.2009 07:54

As somebody who was involved with shac but left just over a year ago I am happy to set the record straight here. Yes a lot of money was spent on personal expenses, some was justified some was not. Yes there was and still is infiltration of shac by both undercover police and private agents workiing for industry.

The unwillingness of some within the shac organisation to deal with these two issues has caused a rift and been the reason a number of people have left, myself included. Regretfully there has been a policy of deciding that this information is to be surpressed hence on sites like this one there is a two pronged response first somebody like Lynn quickly posts some sort of sarcastic comment or straw man argument to distract attention and then use is made of friends within the editorial collective to hide the posts before they are read by too many people.

shac at one stage was a very succesful money making operation and I think that Greg and Natasha both lost sight of the bigger issues and the reason that shac was formed in the first place. Infiltration is a very difficult issue for any group to deal with because it forces you to be suspicious of and confront individuals that have been trusted and liked. In some cases people you may have had a sexual relationship with as was the case with Ian. shac never came to terms with what was needed to oust the spies they had and the problem continues to this day for the same reasons. People like myself who had been involved with anti-Nazi groups in the past were prepared to adopt a far more confrontational approach but we were blocked, shac continues to pay the price of this timidity.

I wish all those who continue the fight for animal rights the very best wishes but like other posters and former supporters of shac I am now following a different path to achieve that aim.

Julian Hodge


Dear Richard Ronson

27.03.2009 12:02

Regarding violence. There is much to be debated on what actually constitutes violence. to some angry words and even thoughts are violent, to others violence is actually assaulting people. I do not know what happened in the incident referred to, I was not there but I have known Natasha and Heather for over a decade and doubt very much that they simply attacked a car because it had a Countryside Alliance sticker in the back. I strongly suspect that this was a case of six of one half a dozen of the other and would refer Richard to countless cases of hunt supporters attacking anti hunt campaigners (even killing some) and never being brought to justice. I have known many hunting people and some of them are capable of being very violent indeed to other humans.

I am not attempting to justify every single action carried out by animal rights activists, we should be professional and disciplined, but why should the police and animal abusers have a monopoly on force? If I am at a demonstration and a companion is attacked and the LAST resort is to be violent then I will use violence I am not a pacifist as indeed many activists are not, nor are we obliged to be. Non violence in animal rights activism is the norm generally speaking unless you count handing out leaflets, holding banners and speaking on a megaphone as "violent" as police and animal abusers have done.

The oppression of activists has nothing to do with violence and everything to do with the suppression of any real challenge to the power of the corporations. Compared to a company such as HLS AR activists are indeed not a fraction as violent.


Lynn Sawyer


Re : Infiltrators spread fear and suspicion.

30.03.2009 14:48

First off - I will voice admiration and respect for Dan Wadham, he's a genuine fellow and a committed activist.

Unfortunately, I will have to disagree that unity and solidarity is always a good thing, where there ARE infiltrators such as Adrian Radford for example. Had anyone voiced suspicions about Radford at the time of his activism [infiltration] then the people voicing them would have been accused of "spreading lies, fear, suspicion and paranoia". Sad fact but true.

The pharmaceutical industry has the direct backing of the government / financial institutions and as other activists have pointed out the govt and the industry are pulling out all the stops to do whatever it takes to stop the Animal Rights activists and Earth Defence movement.

As the case with Radford proves, there are infiltrators who are out for financial gain and very often it is the very LAST person that you would expect it from, some of these people pull it off for years while the real activists, the genuine people, are the ones who will notice & point out that there is something wrong with people like Radford and others like him but few will listen until it is proven by which time of course it is far too late & people are behind bars because of them. It is these infiltrators who will wage wars on the real activists, attempt to drive them away or destroy their credibility & reputations using underhand means. This is all down to the age old evil, money.

It would very naive to believe that Radford was / is the only infiltrator....there will be and of course there are more.

The Animal Rights movement is not only being infiltrated by agents of the state...it is now being destroyed by people who have financial & personal gain as motivation and who set up Animal Rights groups as a way of making money, a LOT of money, money that is given by real activists, supporters and donators & is misused by selfish people who then do very little, if anything for the animals. They do nothing other than live off of the [often very substantial] donations given by well meaning people who usually have little to give. Poor people, people living in social housing, pensioners, the unemployed will all help to raise this money or will donate personally to these underhand individuals or groups while genuine young people like Dan take the risks for the animals.
The underhand fakes will collect money from well meaning people and do bugger all in reality to help the animals, have never worked but have somehow managed to buy large and expensive properties for themselves. This is all achieved with slick campaigns and glossy leaflets...money begets money. Sad fact but true.

These evil people are as bad as and worse than the likes of one off snitch Radford. Sad, awful, pitiful and true.

The animals continue to die in agony and do so alone.

gloom and doom


Sex as an infiltration tool.

30.03.2009 15:01

This one will always raise it's ugly head. The woman who seduces many of the male leading activists, is suspected by the women from the start but will pillow whisper against anyone and everyone and will succeed in destroying many. Samson and Delilah. Animal Rights. Sad but all too true.

more gloom and doom


Hmmm

31.03.2009 18:38

Big houses? poor activists supporting the hedonistic desires of the wealthy ones? pillow talk? spies? Sounds like the plot of a darn good novel. Of course people should be aware of the dangers of infiltrators and none of us should be immune to criticism but really these last 2 posts look to my mind a bit suspect.

Lynn Sawyer


Why is HLS still open? Where, where, WHERE has all the money gone?

01.04.2009 14:55

I'll tell you.

Krav Maga lessons for the select few, while the people raising and donating this money that was meant for the ANIMALS can hardly even afford to go to the council gym and swimming baths.

Nice cars that were "needed" for "acitivism".

Holidays, these were called "demos abroad", some of which were cancelled "due to rain".

Yes, posh houses have indeed been bought and rented with donations given for the ANIMALS.

No spies Lynn? ADRIAN RADFORD. Yes there are more, of course there are.

A good novel? No, what it actually happens to be is the sad truth that some selfish manipulators are making a lot of money out of animal cruelty for themselves. These people are very bit as bad therefore as the scum that work at HLS and is anything at all is suspect it has to be that.

A few years ago I too would have scoffed and / or become angry until I saw it all for myself.

Some of us are in the AR movement because we care about the animals. Others are in it for money, make no mistake about that.



Mugged Off


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WTF!

02.04.2009 08:14

Well I have never seen any nice cars, functional ones yes. As for demos being cancelled due to rain, well I have never heard of such a thing especially when there are things such as hats coats and wellies but I suppose they are all decadent too! As for infiltrators yet again someone states there is an infiltrator publicly but does nothing to help those activists who are at risk by naming who they suspect and providing some evidence. A genuine person would approach SHAC with evidence and help them not try to cause paranoia. As for Radford (and I suspect that you may be he, forgive me if I am wrong but you fit his MO) despite his best efforts SHAC is still operating.

Lynn Sawyer


WTF!

02.04.2009 08:15

Well I have never seen any nice cars, functional ones yes. As for demos being cancelled due to rain, well I have never heard of such a thing especially when there are things such as hats coats and wellies but I suppose they are all decadent too! As for infiltrators yet again someone states there is an infiltrator publicly but does nothing to help those activists who are at risk by naming who they suspect and providing some evidence. A genuine person would approach SHAC with evidence and help them not try to cause paranoia. As for Radford (and I suspect that you may be he, forgive me if I am wrong but you fit his MO) despite his best efforts SHAC is still operating.

Lynn Sawyer


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