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Sir Freds House Attacked

IMCer | 25.03.2009 10:48

According the corporate media Fred Goodwin, the ex-head of bailed out bank RBS, has had his house and car in Einburgh attacked.




The Guardian ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/25/sir-fred-goodwin-royalbankofscotlandgroup) writes that a group claiming responsibility had emailed threatening further action against "criminal" bankers. The Telegraph ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/5047751/Edinburgh-home-of-former-RBS-chief-Sir-Fred-Goodwin-vandalised.html) report "Hours later, the Edinburgh Evening News received an email from an anonymous address reporting the house had been vandalised and suggesting it had been in connection with the row over Sir Fred’s £700,000 pension payout."

All reports so far report that Fred is out of the country, and that the state owned bank has been paying for his security. Reports are saying that there is now a police car outside his house to guard it.

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statement

25.03.2009 11:46

 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Ex-RBS-Boss-Sir-Fred-Goodwins-Edinburgh-Home-Is-Attacked-Windows-Are-Smashed-And-Car-Vandalised/Article/200903415248540

Sky News are saying that a statement claiming responsibility said:

"We are angry that rich people, like him, are paying themselves a huge amount of money, and living in luxury, while ordinary people are made unemployed, destitute and homeless.

"This is a crime. Bank bosses should be jailed. This is just the beginning."

The report also says that the Police are claiming they arrived within three minutes.

anon

digging up stuff

25.03.2009 13:15

Lets hope that whoever did this does not know where his parents are buried. Bad things happen when you piss people off.

curious

Unusual, suspect

25.03.2009 13:20


Unusually the cops have named his address as Oswald Road and the papers have been publishing photos of the house. I don't think he will be living there long.

Danny

It has to start somewhere

25.03.2009 13:37

Good to know that there are some who will not allow this criminal the comfy retirement he thought he was getting.

It's Started Now

Bandwagon!

25.03.2009 13:42

Quick! We've just been down the pub and there's a bandwagon we can all jump on!

McJobby

Original reporting

25.03.2009 14:34

Why do people feel the need to regurgitate news from the mainstream media here? Unless you smashed those windows an want to report it on indy, I don't see that discussing a story from the mainstream media has much relevance here.

anotherIMCer

aye ehm

25.03.2009 15:55

It's good not to assume that this was done by activists, it could've been a journalist or MI5 or a former employee. It seems odd that someone would email the Evening News rather than post it here, with his car registration as proof for example. I think it is interesting that the police released the address to the press. Either that implies that the police don't like Sir F or that they are acknowledging that privacy in cases like this is impossible. Either way it is unique that I can publish a photo, map, and address of someone here without breaking guidelines, as this is widely published by the mainstream and the police.

I also think it is perfectly reasonable to post details of any action here, even if we disagree with the motives, simply so we can criticise and learn from the tactics and techniques and the coverage. The car window looks like a catapult shot. Provided the person checked that the room was empty before breking the window then it is a non-violent action. The guy has private security provided by the tax-payer and now a street crawling with cops and satellite TV vans.
Judging from the Edinburgh scene this seems plausible. I think this is a missed opportunity, if you knew his address you could have done more intelligent and damaging acts. It is sobering to read the condemnatory comments on the Evening News / Scotsman websites.

Danny

"more intelligent acts"

25.03.2009 19:40

I've just listened to various interviewees on mainstream media, all with well-paid jobs, presumably with homes to go to and something ressembling a future, slag off this action and am disappointed to read more criticism on here. What does it take for people in this country to get off their fat asses and act when they see injustice, inequality and greed?

anon

more intelligent acts

25.03.2009 20:04

>I've just listened to various interviewees on mainstream media, all with well-paid jobs, presumably with homes to go to and something ressembling a future, slag off this action and am disappointed to read more criticism on here. What does it take for people in this country to get off their fat asses and act when they see injustice, inequality and greed?


I have neither a job, nor money, nor a future nor a fat ass for that matter, I am an old man with a boys arse. I act, well. I've hit places better than this recently, and will do soon again so get off your hobby horse. I'd give you five out of five for ID, two out of five for planning, three out of five for media work, and one out of five for bravery.

For instance, the only reason I would break an insured window is to get something inside, not to get publicity. I imagine only Direct Line are finacially distressed about this.

Danny

great story

25.03.2009 20:38

Reading about this made me smile. And I think it will make a lot of other people smile too. With luck, we'll even get some copy cat actions. What on earth is there to criticise?

grin

Danny: the point of the attack is psychological, not financial

25.03.2009 23:00

Danny: "the only reason I would break an insured window is to get something inside, not to get publicity. I imagine only Direct Line are financially distressed about this."

I don't think the point of this action was economic sabotage, Sir Fred is so loaded he could buy new windows every day of the year and it would just be pocket change.

The aim would be publicity (propaganda by the deed) and psychological - so he can never feel safe wherever he is.

I say good, rich scum like him don't deserve to live in peace.

Of course the govt and media have singled him out as a scapegoat for some reason - to take the heat off other people perhaps? But there are many more people equally deserving of such treatment.

I salute the class warriors who carried out this action!

anon

The Edinburgh police have 300,000 suspects.

26.03.2009 00:23

Well my family aren't offended or outraged at the "thugs" ( (c) Evening News), and the vast majority of the comments I've seen on mainstream news websites range from supportive to a non-committal "well what did he expect". That's a change from almost any other comparable action I've seen.

The people we're always told would be pushed away by "violence" can see the difference between the 3 minute response time and CID officers for this incident and the last time they reported something to the cops. They know fine well that Fred can afford to buy diamond-coated window glass for the rest of his days, while his actions will soon put 20,000 out of work and many more with decimated pensions. They know that no matter how long and how hard they work they'll never get close to the luxury that man can live in, effortlessly.

I don't think he'll be moving back to Edinburgh. We're not all *that* genteel.

Edinburgh Resident

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St Trinians stunts aren't scary though

26.03.2009 08:37

"The aim would be publicity (propaganda by the deed) and psychological - so he can never feel safe wherever he is. "

Except in the extra risks they pose to real direct actions. It is a completely wasted opportunity to do that or something smarter. The public school boy / public school girl high jinx are frankly embarrassing. An upper class twat with a catapult is not a class warrior.

"Well my family aren't offended or outraged at the "thugs" ( (c) Evening News), and the vast majority of the comments I've seen on mainstream news websites range from supportive to a non-committal "well what did he expect".

So you haven't read the local papers comments sections then?

"We're not all *that* genteel."

You personally are a watery but smelly shite needing flushed.

Danny

About time we had good news about the economy

26.03.2009 10:41

So fragile that you can't stand a single contradictory opinion, Danny? Very quick to anger for no obvious reason.

The Scotsman comment threads are the voice of Edinburgh's bored ruling class, infested by idle office workers, outraged stockholders and party political hacks scoring points for their team. When I looked there yesterday, they'd closed comments on the story.

What do we have today? Very little sympathy, even there.
"My neighbors car was vandalised. The police never showed up or pursued it, just took a note by telephone. People are assaulted and their property damaged every day in Edinburgh, you will be very lucky if the police do anything. Why is Goodwin getting special treatment?"
"All vandalism is wrong and should be condemned but some vandalism is less wrong than others and should be less condemned."

You Danny, may be bothered that the action wasn't as "intelligent and damaging" as you imagined, and that it must be the work of "upper class twits", "journalists" or "MI5". That's up to you, just don't confuse it with the whole of public opinion.

I haven't met anyone that hasn't smiled a little at what happened. I hear that busdrivers cheered when the news came over the radio at the depot and I'd love to have been in my local bank branch early yesterday. All in all, it's the first "good news" about RBS that we've had for months.

Edinburgh Resident
- Homepage: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Security-stepped-up-for-senior.5109976.jp

Action Police

26.03.2009 10:51

So, on top of every other law, restriction, barrier and limit imposed on us by the State, there's now an 'Action Police' that judges and criticises the validity of actions done by others is there? This action aint class war enough, that action lacked intellectual content, another's timing wasn't quite right etc etc.
Why not simply join the cops and find the personal fulfillment you clearly don't get among activists!
I don't always agree 100% with every action or motive but I don't publicly slag off anyone who's had the guts or just the anger and frustration to carry out an action.

anon

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Nah, no action police

26.03.2009 12:48

it's just Danny being a mentalist as he's the ONLY activist in Scotland. Despite not doing owt beyond posturing on Indymedia and threatening to go to the cops over a zillion things that exist only inside his head.
I wish IM DID log IP's, that way his divisive, spite filled trolling could be brought to an end.

Nice one to the folks that did this, if you're reading this comment thread ignore what that muppet says. You're working class heroes. Well done!

Miserablist

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Class Act

27.03.2009 01:05

Oh don't mind Danny he's a well-known mad lying drunk. And he's developing quite a love of the class system these days. It obviously has gone over his head that opposing the class system entails not perpetuating it by adopting the class system's very own inequality. Hence in Dannyland, only working class people are allowed to be activists, and if someone happened by no choice of their own not to be born in a council flat, then they aren't allowed, and no amount of good action will ever erase the stain their posho accents. A far superior position that condemning someone to inferiority based on ethnicity, gender, religion or sexual orientation.

Well, done to the window smashers! And thank you for providing some much needed employment for the class comrades working for Autoglass. Me need more of this kind of grassroots solutions to the credit crunch.

Forelock Tugging Cheeky Dickensian Urchin

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Dumb & Dumber

27.03.2009 01:46

"It's good not to assume that this was done by activists, it could've been a journalist or MI5 or a former employee."

Ha! That's rich comin from you Danny...isn't that how you go thru life, making assumptions about infiltrators/ activists, and spreading them like the verbal diarrhoea you deliver here? ...eg "if you knew his address you could have done more intelligent and damaging acts." Such as?

It is only a matter of time before more people get so fed up with fat cats gleaning massive profits off while they starve, and have it flaunted in their faces daily while life has to go on, mortgage payments, credit card bills & kids needing fed but no wage at the end of the week.

I don't think this was only a publicity stunt...in my opinion, the prime motivation has been anger and frustration, scapegoat or not.

"I am an old man with a boys arse" - you might have an arse like a boy but your brain's pickled, mate!

Oddbins shareholder

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A job half done

27.03.2009 09:12

You may want to consider hiding Danny's rank "class" inverted bigotry too.. unless you intend to endorse that hate-filled drunken nutter.

Roberta Cava

My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends

27.03.2009 12:40

>So fragile that you can't stand a single contradictory opinion, Danny? Very quick to anger for no obvious reason.

Yeah, well I remember the unwarranted police hassle after other suspect actions. I'd just heard RBS are paying Clive Fairweather to bump up their security now, Raytheon in Glenrothes used him and he seems to use infiltrators. Interestingly he has a relationship with the Scotsman group. I also knew instead of going to bed exhausted I was going to have to go to a Mercedes dealership to let the mechanics there know whose car was about to come if it hadn't already.

>The Scotsman comment threads are the voice of Edinburgh's bored ruling class, infested by idle office workers, outraged stockholders and party political hacks scoring points for their team.

You think idle office workers are part of the ruling class? Surely workers are working class. And what about the Evening News comments on the same site? Not exactly Edinburghs private school elite.

If people want to vandalize but don't have the nerve or ability then sub-contract. Any local gang of teenagers would cause more damage than that. A car was firebombed in my street recently and it never even made the local press even though it was a more violent and dangerous attack. The attack is only getting press coverage because it is is a simple segue between Financial Collapse to the Summer of Rage stories.

Because Fred is widely despised other actions could have done more damage to him, and prolonged the story. Since vandalism isn't one of your skills then maybe you should've organised a mass sit-in / flash-mob / camp in his garden. Open up his tennis court to the public since they are paying for it.

Danny

Dear Daily Telegraph,

27.03.2009 13:52

You've just quoted some of my posts and yet there isn't a comments section on your newspaper website for a right to reply, so please could you publish this as a letter.

Your headline 'Sir Fred Goodwin home attack applauded by anarchists' is pejorative and misleading, the attack has been applauded and criticised by people from a wide political spectrum. I know Conservatives that are baying for his blood, because they have been impoverished by his foolishness and greed. I was openly anarchist throughout my life and I've worked in the heart of the banking system and talked with people far richer than Sir Fred. I think the Telegraph should drag it's stereotypes of anarchists into the 20th century, at least.

You stated "One website posting included a photograph of the £3 million sandstone villa and a map showing its location", as if that was sinister and illegal. I posted the Google StreetView of Sir Freds house that you refer to. I first found his address in the Telegraph report 'Edinburgh home of former RBS chief Sir Fred Goodwin vandalised' so if that was criminal then I am simply an accessory after the fact to your crime. Other newspapers were already publishing up to date photos of his house. The reason I published it was to urge caution. It is very unusual for the Telegraph to publish someones address after an attack, and very unsual for the police to release the address. Just days after you'd written about Google Street View.

"Meanwhile there was debate on the Indymedia activists' website yesterday on whether the attack on Sir Fred's property was the action of activists or a disgruntled former employee. One post said activists would not have sent an email claiming responsibility to the "mainstream media". "

I said it was unusual that a press release didn't include activist websites. It is not unheard of though. There is no way to really know if this was activists or security services or journalists or employees or neighbours because no one in the UK likes Sir Fred. He can afford to live anywhere except where he was born. His personal incompetence is only a tiny part of the financial crisis, but his blatant and unrepentant greed has made him the poster-boy fat-cat.

Danny
- Homepage: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5056499/Sir-Fred-Goodwin-home-attack-applauded-by-anarchists.html

No "press release" required for something like this

27.03.2009 14:33

If you take an action like this, you may not want to risk sending a "press release" out.

It got publicity anyway because it was newsworthy, though I'm sure later ones will be suppressed by the media eventually to prevent copycat attacks.

The risk of being traced through DNA on a letter or IP logging and CCTV for an email might be too much risk for some people. There are many in prison right now who have been traced for sending communiques of their illegal activities.

Sometimes, as well, the fear of the unknown assailant can be psychologically more damaging than an anonymous but visible attacker who leaves some clues about their motivation.

Take care out there, everyone.

anon

past experience

27.03.2009 14:55

"The risk of being traced through DNA on a letter or IP logging and CCTV for an email might be too much risk for some people. There are many in prison right now who have been traced for sending communiques of their illegal activities."

Excellent point except for the fact two emails were sent to the Evening News which has to be far riskier than posting here using Tor. If it had been posted here the Evening News would have reported on it anyway, hell, even the Telegraph is grubbing around here for columnage on this. You are right though, there could be any number of legitimate reasons for the Evening News being chosen exclusively.

"Take care out there, everyone. "

I'd recommend everyone in the Lothians should avoid any sudden new friends with a military background or demeanor.

Danny

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Fucking hell, Telegraph hacks

27.03.2009 16:26

Don't give Danny any more of a sense of self-importance, please.

Phil Space

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Fact checking was never the Torygraph's strength

27.03.2009 16:52

1. Danny isn't an activist, he is just some sad troll that slags off activists, smears activists and threatens activists. He as much a positive contribution here (under his myriad of pseudonyms) as the BNP trolls.

2. Danny has nothing to do with any significant planning for the anti-G20 protests, because again, he isn't an activist, he's just a troll who sits on here all day spouting drunken garbage and out and out lies.

Isn't it about time IM UK stopped making a rod for its own back and just banned this disruptive person (both on and offline) as a matter of policy.

William Boot

Um

27.03.2009 19:14

Why is everyone assuming this was activists? It's only people involved in the wee clique that is British activism that even know indymedia exists. It doesn't even come onto the radar of most folk.
So why would it have been posted here?
Why, because it wasn't, does this imply that it was done by MI5, journo's or whatever? I mean ffs Danny. That's a daft idea even by your tin foil hat standards.
The people who did this are working class heroes and if they're not activists then so much the better.

Miserablist

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FAO: Ms Rabbi List (Your MOSSAD is showing, plant!)

27.03.2009 21:02

It is wholly rational to be open to idea that the intelligence services or agents of the Elite are yanking our dicks. The Dodgy Dossier and the latest Chicken Little al Qaeda warnings are enough to prove that.

However, the difference between a sane person and a nutty great squirrel turd is that the sane person reacts to evidence/clear indication of deception, your average Alcan milner sees and presume everything that happens is a deception. The former behaviour is called realistic cynicism and the latter is called paranoid schizophrenia.

Now, I would personally expect that if MI5/SB/Rent-a-Spook were behind this, then something far more juicy and useful to the editorial stance of the Joint Intelligence Committee Daily Digest (a.k.a. Daily Telegraph), and would entail something like digging up the guys granny, threatening to kidnap his kids,

Amusingly, it seems to have gone unnoticed that Danny's drivel is pure 'Manna from Heaven' to the agenda of the Telegraph and those with a vested interest in making any grassroots reaction to the failure of capitalism and the fleecing of the poor appear as sinister and dangerous as possible.

But top security tips from Danny! Don't talk to anyone wearing strange insignia on their arms and helmet, refuse any lifts from people driving tanks, and be very suspicious of anyone who can drink a whole box of tea in one day.

Names like Basher, Smudger, Taffy, Fucking Right Orrible Scottish Pisshead, or 'Our little Pxxi' should be added to all groups list of known infiltrators.

The Voice of the Mysterons

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Jeremy Kyle / Maury / Trish etc on the Torygraph

27.03.2009 21:12

Andy, whether by accident or design I know you were the first person to leak false information about me, resulting in me being unemployable since. I also know you have been damaging a lot more causes since. There is only so much of that you can claim as accidental. You claim to think the same thing about me so maybe we should debate that on another thread or forum. You have my email address if not my respect or trust.

A few years ago I offered to pay for lie-detector tests after I got in trouble through a recent friend of yours who has proudly claimed to me via email to be a member of a brotherhood of ex-SAS. Just when Clive Fairweather entered my life. I honestly can't afford a lie detector test now but if you want to go head to head in some tacky public forum, ala daytime tv, go ahead mister! Or else talk to the fist.

Seriously, if the Telegraph or any other newspaper was prepared to pay for the relevant tests, and if they published the story 'copyright left', I would be glad to respond honestly. Same goes for IM. I don't think many people on the Telegraphs/Scotsmans right-wing really realise how damaging unjustified state intervention is because they haven't been subjected to it fully 'yet'. It isn't something a decent person would wish on an enemy.

Danny

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Better idea...

28.03.2009 08:17

"I'd recommend everyone in the Lothians should avoid any sudden new friends with a military background or demeanour. "

A better idea based on the most realistic threat to activists in Scotland is to avoid Danny, since this backstabbing, lying traitor has fucked over more people in Scotland than any (other) infiltrators- "other" since he has acted exactly like a infiltrator himself.

Given that Indymedia itself now is a target of this nutcase (as is anyone who doesn't buy into his ever expanding encyclopaedia of fantastical hate campaigns) you have to wonder why the hell Indymedia isn't hiding his crap routinely, and more incredibly hiding comments from people flagging this guy's activities up.

I guess making people aware this guy has /apparently/ assaulted one activist, has threatened others from all sorts ranging from murder to rape to threatening whole groups with being discredited in the gutter press with a pack of lies... which is known within Indymedia already... I guess none of that is of any interest to Indymedia and its users, while his Walter Mitty tales, ridiculous bullshit charlatan advice, bigotry and tedious perpetual pious slagging of people's actions is of course of high value.

Get a grip!

Scilly Automatic

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xSAS

28.03.2009 11:17

Andy, your friend Richard claims to be part of an international brotherhood of ex-SAS, and has released stories to Clive Fairweather before. Maybe you could just ask your ex-SAS mate what new security the RBS will have?

Danny

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Better idea...

28.03.2009 11:39

"I'd recommend everyone in the Lothians should avoid any sudden new friends with a military background or demeanour. "

A better idea based on the most realistic threat to activists in Scotland is to avoid Danny, since this backstabbing, lying traitor has fucked over more people in Scotland than any (other) infiltrators- "other" since he has acted exactly like a infiltrator himself.

Given that Indymedia itself now is a target of this nutcase (as is anyone who doesn't buy into his ever expanding encyclopaedia of fantastical hate campaigns) you have to wonder why the hell Indymedia isn't hiding his crap routinely, and more incredibly hiding comments from people flagging this guy's activities up.

I guess making people aware this guy has /apparently/ assaulted one activist, has threatened others from all sorts ranging from murder to rape to threatening whole groups with being discredited in the gutter press with a pack of lies... which is known within Indymedia already... I guess none of that is of any interest to Indymedia and its users, while his Walter Mitty tales, ridiculous bullshit charlatan advice, bigotry and tedious perpetual pious slagging of people's actions is of course of high value.

Get a grip!

Scilly Automatic

Marx to Max

28.03.2009 12:37

Does capitalism require non-central banks? No, they are simply national status symbols.
Should banks be targetted? Yes.
Are banks the real enemy of progress? Not for the last century or two.

I don't mean to be patronising here but I honestly think some people here are getting caught up in media hype. I see Sir Fred has hired PR schmuck Max Clifford to hype up the threat to his life. Really good timing for Max now his Goody cash cow has gone. Sir Fred has enriched himself shamelessly but not so much as others in the corporate world.

Bankers do not fear protestors. Bankers do not fear public opinion. Bankers do not fear financial depression. Bankers only fear corporations. The reason banks fear corporations is because corporations are far more powerful and wealthy.
If a corporation wants a bank, it buys one or sets one up, as Virgin are about to do. Apart from central-banks and banking infrastructure organistations, the largest banks can be bought and sold by any mid-sized corporation. This generally doesn't happen because corporations view themselves as in a state of war with each other, and annexing banks was seen as an aggressive move.

Banks used to be important, certainly were much more important when people like Marx were writing, which is why we have inherited more slogans about banks than corporations. Even then though the banks were simply shysters who took a cut of peoples wealth in return for guarding it.

The banks failed because their function was undercut by Thatcher and Reagan ( and their subsequent followers like Blair and Brown) deregulated them. That allowed banks to play like they were corporations, to expand 'financial services' in an unsustainable way. They were encouraged to expand like a rising helium balloon until the inevitable 'pop'.

This is simply an analogy but if you compare capitalism to slavery, compare a corporation to a slave plantation, then you are the enslaved, the corporations owners are your owners and the banks are the owners employees who keep you fit enough to work, and dispose of you when you can't. They aren't the owners. You shouldn't like them or forgive them but they aren't the main problem.

Danny

Miserablist: activists are anyone who takes action

29.03.2009 22:54

Miserablist said: Why is everyone assuming this was activists?

I would say that if someone trashes Fred Goodwin's house for political reasons they are by definition an activist.

Activists are anyone who takes action. It doesn't matter if they know other activists or know about Indymedia, they are still activists.

anon

Naw

31.03.2009 18:37

An activist is a 'specialist in social change'. Someone that is motivated by a specific ideology. Whilst this may be the case here it also may not be. There are plenty of folk pissed off with what's happening with the economic situation and Fred took the piss proper style. Ergot it could have been anyone.

Miserablist

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