I don't understand this article's point. So according to the author the protests next weeks are of the Middle Class to the detriment of the Working Class. We are supposed to take a side. If under your definition I'm, lets say, 'middle class', am I allowed to take the side of the 'working class' or is my middle-classness an impediment to do so? And what about members of the working classes going out on the 1rst and 2nd to protest against the G20. Are they joining a middle class protest and therefore doing it against themselves? So, that means the working classes should side with the G20 leaders against the middle-classes who, according to you, are the fuckers who caused all this mess in the first place. Right?

I don't get what your point of view is.

Are you saying that we should just kiss the arses of the ruling classes (hey I'm a poet!) because if they don't, the ruling class will oppress us further?

What is your solution to smashing the hierarchies of power within society? Or don't you think they should be smashed at all?

Should we just join unions and rely on them to negotiate for a few crumbs from the table?

It's fine to offer criticism, but how about some alternative solutions with it?

Whilst I think it would indeed be a spectacular spectacle to see "The Middle Class fighting the police", I doubt that'll be happening during the G20. I note that the idea that the middle class will be fighting the police to "save there privilege" isn't explained, probably because it doesn't really make sense.

As for police repression, its not as if the police need excuses to repress the working - as 'the author' pointed out they just make up lies and the corporate media just prints them.

This just seems to a confused jumble of idea that doesn't have one positive suggestion.

Perhaps underclassrising.net should appoint a new spokesperson.

Defining class is very difficult, I would say that according to most of the academic models I am middle class, although I would never define myself as such. So what the fuck should I do, I hate the inequalities in the fucking system, when my dad died from MS and left me a few grand should I have given it away to some new age travellers so they can form a co-operative somewhere to prove my left wing credentials. Should I slit my own throat because every action I take can only possibly lead to further detriment, oppression and inequality. What a shit post. You can't win can you I spent years as an activist jumping around achieving sweet fuck all, went to uni to try to change from within but I'm never going to fit in or be able to deal with all the bullshit it will take to get into a position where I can change anything so what is the point? Might as well quit now so I don't get saddled with a huge debt, maybe I'll just throw myself out of a plane face first at George Bush from 25,000 feet there must be at least a 25,000,000,000 : 1 chance I will hit him. Try to pass that off as a cowardly act of terrorism
;-) lol. There have been so many negative posts in recent weeks and rightly so there is a lot to be negative about. However there seems to be very little direction or guidance from anybody about what can and should actually be done. I had been planning to go next week but with all this pessimism about playing into the hands of the state I find myself in a bit of a dilemma. I personally would like to think that the people of this country have the intelligence and ability to critically analyse situations to the extent that if protest leads to further curtailment of civil liberties, freedom of speech, human rights etc etc, that will only lead to a growth in our movement and benefit our cause and not that of the state and the elites in our society. So I will be going to London because I have a voice and it needs to be heard whether it be on the streets, in some bullshit academic paper or on a internet forum like this one because that is my right and I intend to use it.

Don't rise to the bait. Underclassrising doesn't have a coherent critique or anything and a class analysis which amounts to nothing more than a poorly disguised insult. The 'article' offers the reader nothing but a personal rant that dissolves unfinished into an unrelated article plagiarized from another author.

Hello underclass rising (yes we know who you really are too),

Like so many of your other posts, this one too is completely incoherent and lacks any useful points or criticisms of the G20 actions and protests (of which there are a few).

I'm not sure what you think you add to any radical political debate apart from ill thought out and idiotic definitions of class, all topped of with statements that on examination bear no relation to anything outside your slightly warped minds.

Go away, stop wasting everybody's time, allyo are doing is making people dismiss any class analysis as mad.

Come on, be frank when the toy Town Anarchist have done throwing their tantrums and the g20 lot have gone home, shall we wake on the day of the new dawn? of course not. What i need to ask is what all the protest is going to acheive, an honest question, and for those who say we do not hold a solution:

Anarchy is a word that comes from the Greek, and signifies, strictly speaking, "without government": the state of a people without any constituted authority.

Before such an organization had begun to be considered possible and desirable by a whole class of thinkers, so as to be taken as the aim of a movement (which has now become one of the most important factors in modern social warfare), the word "anarchy" was used universally in the sense of disorder and confusion, and it is still adopted in that sense by the ignorant and by adversaries interested in distorting the truth.

We shall not enter into philological discussions, for the question is not philological but historical. The common interpretation of the word does not misconceive its true etymological signification, but is derived from it, owing to the prejudice that government must be a necessity of the organization of social life, and that consequently a society without government must be given up to disorder, and oscillate between the unbridled dominion of some and the blind vengeance of others.

The existence of this prejudice and its influence on the meaning that the public has given to the word is easily explained.

Man, like all living beings, adapts himself to the conditions in which he lives, and transmits by inheritance his acquired habits. Thus, being born and having lived in bondage, being the descendant of a long line of slaves, man, when he began to think, believed that slavery was an essential condition of life, and liberty seemed to him impossible. In like manner, the workman, forced for centuries to depend upon the goodwill of his employer for work, that is, for bread, and accustomed to see his own life at the disposal of those who possess the land and capital, has ended in believing that it is his master who gives him food, and asks ingenuously how it would be possible to live, if there were no master over him?

More  http://www.greenjacker.co.uk/ and did people just read and not go look at the links given i think so, oh how easy is it for you lot to sit in your fucking armchairs and slate others for lack of thought,have you not even botherd to think further than your own self fucking interest, i a have feeling this just might be.

Indeed plagiarised all to easy to say this bullshit ain't it, when the anarchists and others have been plagarising our class for years, then when we turn it back onto you lot, you all begin to spit out your dummies, now run along please back to Mommey and Daddy will you not dear Tabbatha and Tarquin.

wish I'd never wasted 2 minutes of my life reading it.

Looks like some divisive non sense, I'm a human being first, before any class or any other ideological division - there are only two classes as far as I'm concerned - and one of them is the ruling class, so there you go, a dialectic - the ruling class and the rest of us. Until that's "synthesised" there can be no revolution.

Seems anal to try and tidy humans up into this or that class pointless waste of time IMO.

underclassrising is right to say that demonstrations aren't going to change the world overnight, but no-one is claiming they will. And no-one claims that mass demos will change things on their own. So the critique is a bit of a straw man.

Mass demos are excellent for invigorating people and making them realise how many of us there are and how together we can make a difference. People on the demo will go back to their home towns and maybe be inspired to organise in other ways that do meet with underclassrising's approval.

We need a wide range of tactics that should be constantly changing to stay one step ahead of the ruling class and their police. Mass demos are one tactic, and whatever underclassrising does is another. Both are vital and will complement each other.

Fuck that, im going, im causing as much shit as i can, lets really give them something to try and police.

You said what you feel your point is, but i do not agree the following is nicked from Ian Bone

SPEAKERS AT TUC RALLY…….ZZZZZZZZZZ!

# Global Call to Action Against Poverty (GCAP) Co-chair Kumi Naidoo
# International Trade Union Confederation President Sharan Burrow
# Brendan Barber, TUC General Secretary
# Global justice author Susan George,
# Mary Turner, President of the GMB
# Environmentalist Tony Juniper
# Derek Simpson, UNITE Joint General Secretary
# Tony Woodley, UNITE Joint General Secretary
# Global justice campaigner, Mary Lou Malig, from Focus on the Global South


Nither do i desire to goto an organised riot on there terms, spend a day in the of Dear Tabbatha and Tarquin, informing me how wrong my life is, that skip raiding is realy Wadical and Cool Man, been there done chnaged nothing come home feeling deflated, alone isolated and full of guilt for being working class, there is so many times you bang your head upon the wall and then wonder about why you are in pain, i know the reply to this and do ask is your protest even one step towords the change the world needs of course not, not working towords makeing the middle class history just might be the grate leap forword, but as Billy Brag so rightly put it,

It may have been camelot for jack and jacqueline
But on the che guevara highway filling up with gasoline
Fidel castros brother spies a rich lady whos crying
Over luxurys disappointment
So he walks over and hes trying
To sympathise with her but he thinks that he should warn her
That the third world is just around the corner

In the soviet union a scientist is blinded
By the resumption of nuclear testing and he is reminded
That dr robert oppenheimers optimism fell
At the first hurdle

In the cheese pavilion and the only noise I hear
Is the sound of someone stacking chairs
And mopping up spilt beer
And someone asking questions and basking in the light
Of the fifteen fame filled minutes of the fanzine writer

Mixing pop and politics he asks me what the use is
I offer him embarrassment and my usual excuses
While looking down the corridor
Out to where the van is waiting
Im looking for the great leap forwards

Jumble sales are organised and pamphlets have been posted
Even after closing time theres still parties to be hosted
You can be active with the activists
Or sleep in with the sleepers
While youre waiting for the great leap forwards

One leap forward, two leaps back
Will politics get me the sack?

Here comes the future and you cant run from it
If youve got a blacklist I want to be on it

Its a mighty long way down rock n roll
From top of the pops to drawing the dole

If no one seems to understand
Start your own revolution and cut out the middleman

In a perfect world wed all sing in tune
But this is reality so give me some room

So join the struggle while you may
The revolution is just a t-shirt away
Waiting for the great leap forwards

One is still waiteing.

This person can barely string a sentence together, let alone one which contains anything of worth. His comments contain great chunks of other peoples writing with the the additional of a couple of their own shoddy and poorly expressed thoughts. Having stuff like this on indymedia not only acts to divide what is already a highly divided movement but also helps to discredit every other poster on the site by simple association. Indymedia is rapidly losing a battle in the disinfo wars and letting this kind of half baked commentary be passed off as news is not going to help.

But Billy Bragg, the singer, who will perform at the rally outside the Bank of England, said: "The City of London has been playing fast and loose with people's pensions and the time for a light touch has passed.

"There will be a lot of people out there for whom this is the first opportunity to express their anger and look for another way of doing things. The anti-globalisation movement last time was doing it in the teeth of a boom. Now capitalism has floundered and people want an alternative to what we've had."
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/mar/22/g20-anti-globalisation-protests

So, while thousands are out there, ensuring that the legitimacy of the G20 is seriously undermined and looking for alternatives (the hype about riots seems to be the product of the imaginations of the police, corporate press and underclassrising.net) what is that you think they should be doing instead?

Instead of quoting other people, lets hear what the alleged 'we' at underclassrising.net think this time please.

Oh dear the Wadicals have become upset and in what context is this not news, The G20 is comeing to London and if you read all the news papers from ‘There is also speculation that protesters will drive a tank to the ExCeL conference Centre’ we could only hope this be true, feel free to attack the style of commutation, one is doing that to you soap dodgers, all is is (un) fair is this class war, and go report it to the imc admen, no doubt it will get hidden, our task is done we raised the point and now we shall let it descend into the normal self indulgent bullshit of the truly Wadicals, as said I can not take either side, but I shall laugh, a moments happiness before the Police use what they have practised on you lot, upon the Working Class is all but worth it.

The use of Billy Brag was sarcasm:

Seems that underclassrising is deliberately trying to undermine indymedia and has a long history of it as well. As other have pointed out, the contributions from underclassrising are ill-conceived and illogical. I'd hazard a guess that they are posted out of bitterness, spite and envy and intended to piss people off.

You lot at underclass rising are a right load of delusional idiots...

Plenty of working class people will be out on the G20 actions/protests taking a chance to fight back in any way they see fit.

You're just setting this up as some kinda managed middle class liberal protest/set-piece battle/waste of time (you've covered all your bases so you can slag it whatever happens I see) without any basis in the reality of wat it actually is.

Creating carictures of people to knock down a whole scene is lame, as you lot (although I suspect that there's actually about 2 of you...) are.