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Born stupid: Joss Garman declares war on the old

Logan's Rum | 09.03.2009 11:02 | COP15 Climate Summit 2009 | Climate Chaos | Ecology | Other Press

"This is not youthful rebellion. We see the catastrophe ahead. Climate change has provoked a war between the generations. Younger members of the government need to choose their side." - Joss Garman, The Observer, Sunday, 8 March 2009
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/08/activism-climate-change

"Late last year, with 50 other activists, she shut down Stansted airport, in the process preventing thousands of tonnes of CO2 being released into the atmosphere." - Because none of those people would take a later flight? No additional flights would happen because people would miss connections?

"They say the Sixties was the anti-war decade; the Seventies saw marches against racism at home and apartheid abroad; if it's the Eighties it must be Ban the Bomb and Maggie Out!; the Nineties was roads and anti-globalisation; and the Noughties, this decade, is about climate change. We'll soon be on to something else, right? Wrong. We're not the Noughties. This isn't the next fad. [...] This isn't about being disaffected and rebellious without a cause."

Anti-war, anti-racism, anti-apartheid, CND, Maggie Out, road protests and anti-globalisation were all fads? The air must be rare up there.

"We know because scientists are providing measurable objective evidence that the high-carbon economic model has an in-built self-destruct mechanism."

And yet it's not about "rejecting the norm"? Just "greening the economy"? Make you mind up.

"The only difference between capitalism in crisis and the climate crisis is that almost nobody predicted the economic collapse"

Except every Marxist since, well, Marx, nobody at all.

"Increasingly, as I can testify, his generation even resorts to political policing and legal injunctions."

Unlike every previous generation?

"Independent of the old ideologies and tribal loyalties that have stained mainstream politics in Britain, we're determined to capture the moment."

So you don't have an ideology Joss? It's all about the moment, the fame, the glory?

"We believe 2009 can be a transformative year, that the economic crisis presents an opportunity to reject old assumptions just as the ecological crisis focuses minds on the last chance UN climate summit in Denmark in December."

A gathering of the old men of politics is our last, best hope for climate peace? We're fucked then...

Logan's Rum

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The whole article (to keep things in context)

09.03.2009 13:22

Climate change has provoked a war between the generations. Younger members of the government need to choose their side -

Lily Kember is 21 years old. Late last year, with 50 other activists, she shut down Stansted airport, in the process preventing thousands of tonnes of CO2 being released into the atmosphere. A few minutes before her arrest she told listeners of the Today programme: "We're here because our parents' generation has failed us and it's now down to young people to stop climate change by whatever peaceful means we have left."

She was by no means the youngest person who cut through the security fence that December morning - one of her co-protesters was born in 1991. You might conclude something extremely interesting is happening when kids are bunking off school not to play the arcades but instead to risk jail by invading runways to indict an entire generation. Last week it was my friend Leila Deen throwing custard over Peter Mandelson and twentysomethings in Aberdeen getting on to another runway to protest against airport expansion. In the summer 29 others will go on trial for hijacking a train that was carrying coal to Drax power station. Meanwhile in the US 12,000 young people last week marched on the coal plant that provides power to congress to demand that the new president act on his promise to "roll back the spectre of a warming planet".

Contrast this explosion of determined political activity by society's youngest voters with the image of Mandelson banging his head on the cabinet table. He was, according to the newspapers, frustrated that some of his younger colleagues had failed to grasp the ineluctable logic of his argument in favour of making Heathrow airport the biggest single point-source of carbon in the UK. The intergenerational gap articulated so poignantly by Lily Kember most certainly exists, and it's getting wider.

Some social commentators have placed this burgeoning carbon movement in the same bracket as earlier social movements populated by young people. They say the Sixties was the anti-war decade; the Seventies saw marches against racism at home and apartheid abroad; if it's the Eighties it must be Ban the Bomb and Maggie Out!; the Nineties was roads and anti-globalisation; and the Noughties, this decade, is about climate change. We'll soon be on to something else, right?

Wrong. We're not the Noughties. This isn't the next fad. The naive popular narrative that "every generation has their thing" and that climate is ours - that we're the "Facebook generation" - simply does not hold. This isn't about being disaffected and rebellious without a cause. This isn't about dropping out, rejecting the norm, culture jamming and hacking the system. This isn't even about altruism. It's not just about defending the rights and lives of those who are less fortunate than us, and it certainly isn't about polar bears. This is about us. For the millennial generation the patronising cliches fall apart, because this isn't about ideals so much as hard science and the terrifying reality that what the scientists have been warning us all about for years - those sea level rises, catastrophic droughts and melting ice caps - will now happen in our lifetimes.

So we become angry when we witness the same generation which let the economic system collapse, and that is leaving my generation with an unfathomable burden of debt - Brown and Mandelson and the old men of politics - now knowingly setting us on another disastrous course. We know how this story ends, but not because we've read obscure economic treatises or dense theories from Friedman and Hayek or Hobsbawm and Marx. We know because scientists are providing measurable objective evidence that the high-carbon economic model has an in-built self-destruct mechanism.

The only difference between capitalism in crisis and the climate crisis is that almost nobody predicted the economic collapse, whereas almost every single qualified expert predicted with steady and unerring accuracy the effect that carbon dioxide is having on the climate. Now compare the reactions of our leaders to the two crises. If the world was a bank, Brown would have saved it already. Instead it is my generation, with our taxes for decades to come, which is bankrolling a bail-out that ranks at the bottom of the developed world for its focus on greening the economy. For us it's all pain and no gain.

For us there's no difference between the scant regard paid by President Bush for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, and the attitude taken by these British baby-boomer politicians who gave us dodgy Saudi arms deals then blocked the inquiry because they value oil over truth. They stole our right to protest outside parliament and now they try to mollify us with sombre talk of "tough decisions for turbulent times" before attacking us for "silly stunts" (as Geoff Hoon did last week) when we get a bit uppity about climate change. Increasingly, as I can testify, his generation even resorts to political policing and legal injunctions.

Yet against this gloomy backdrop emerges what US marketers Eric Greenberg and Karl Weber have called "history's most active volunteering generation" - or "Generation We". Independent of the old ideologies and tribal loyalties that have stained mainstream politics in Britain, we're determined to capture the moment. We believe 2009 can be a transformative year, that the economic crisis presents an opportunity to reject old assumptions just as the ecological crisis focuses minds on the last chance UN climate summit in Denmark in December. The Copenhagen meeting has the potential - more than any gathering of human beings before it - to affect how our civilisation develops. This is Westphalia, Versailles and Bretton Woods rolled into one, and it's happening this year.

Some of you who have read this far will by now be sniggering with cynicism, and when this article is published online many of the comments will exhibit a similar scorn. But with respect to the keyboard commandos, we'll take our cue instead from Professor James Hansen, director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies who said: "In the nuclear standoff between the Soviet Union and United States, a crisis could be precipitated only by the action of one of the parties. In contrast, the present threat to the planet and civilisation requires only inaction in the face of clear scientific evidence of the danger."

So inaction is the greatest threat, and that's why young people are breaking through airport fences and shutting down coal plants. Because rather like the Israeli government building West Bank settlements on land that's supposed to be under negotiation in an effort to scupper a Middle East peace deal, our own governments are creating "facts on the ground" in the run up to Copenhagen - at Heathrow and Kingsnorth for example - which will destroy what hope we have of striking a deal in December. And we won't let them get away with it.

Ed Miliband, the energy and climate change secretary, is 39 years old. He is closer in age to Lily Kember than he is to Gordon Brown, and on his desk today sits the Kingsnorth decision which, according to Professor Hansen, has "the potential to influence the future of the planet". Our best chance of arresting runaway climate change, says Hansen, is to rule out new coal plants unless all of their emissions are captured and buried. If Miliband stands up to his older colleagues and demands - on pain of resignation - that the UK, the nation where the industrial revolution was born, the nation with a greater historical per capita responsibility for climate change than any other, will no longer emit CO2 from coal, then we might have found a British politician we can finally believe in.

It's time for Ed Miliband to decide which generation he is with. Ours, or Brown's.

• Joss Garman is co-founder of Plane Stupid and a columnist for the Ecologist

Joss Garman


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the plane stupid generation

09.03.2009 11:48

even if we forgot all the deserved criticism of plane stupid, this article is just sooooo wrong. It is precisely this/our/my generation that is driving the planet to self-destruction. From ipods, to New York shopping trips, to designer labels... if you compared the carbon footprints of today's youth with that of their parents you'd think otherwise, Joss.

Might do you good to read some Marx and Hobsbawm anyway, yuo might realise that it's not all about scientific modelling, but that a response to the climate crisis must be political (and anti-capitalist).

muppetwatch


A response to snipes from the sidelines

09.03.2009 12:17

A lot of the rhetoric reported to have come from Joss Garman and some other Plane Stupid spokespeople has really pissed me of - that and the flirtation with the personality reporting more reminiscent of the mid to late nineties however generally they do seem to have got a little better over the last six months.

I'm sure it's fairly easy to pick apart the words of anyone who gets heavily quoted in the media and that's obviously a good reason for being careful who gets to be the mouth piece for a movement, or better yet, avoid and small group of people from being put into that position at all.

I'm not a young person and it's not like ecological direct action is a new thing nor Plane Stupid the first people to have been working on the issue of climate change so it pisses me off when I hear this bollocks of a new generation of activists who are somehow different from those of last decade - somehow more informed, more righteous and more worthy of acceptance by the public at large. Yet the fact of the mater is that there is plenty of overlap, new blood and old, working together with old faces from the anti-roads or anti-gm movements sharing their skills and experiences with those who may have still been in school at the time.

I'm not quite sure what Joss Garman is trying to get across by saying, "this is not youthful rebellion" or that " younger members of the government need to choose their side". (surely all members of the government have already chosen their side, that of the state?). He seems to contradict himself. Either way, the issue of climate change, and attempts to mitigate against it, have nothing to do with age. There are plenty of older people working on these issues and taking steps in their own lives in attempt to address it, just as there are many young people active or concerned over climate change. It is also true that there are plenty of older people who don't appear to give a damn about the world they leave to their grandchildren but equally there are a disturbing number of young people who dismiss climate concerns completely. Worryingly the number of young people who express no concern about climate change has been going up, at least according to opinion polls I have seen.

This is not a generational issue. Although obviously we can point the finger at previous generations in regard to their levels of consumption and contribution to climate change - the fact is that it is those of us alive now who carry the burden to act. We are those with the benefit of knowledge and evidence which those before us did not have and we will be the generations to blame should we fail to take adequate steps to do something about it right now.

When Garman talks of MP taking sides along generational lines, that's obviously nonsense. The lines that are drawn are class lines with the ruling classes who they represent on one side and the rest of the world on the other. It's not as if the ruling classes are the cause of climate change and the middle and working classes are blameless - and it's not like the ruling classes are pro-climate change and everyone else anti. But it is true that the ruling classes stand in the way of the changes required to tackle the causes of climate change, rampant consumerism and an economic system that demands and depends on constant growth. The MPs represent that economic system and stand as a buffer between the masses and the elite. It has nothing to do with age!

Anyway, I started this comment not only to express my concerns of some of the rhetoric spouted by Joss Garman but also to counter the criticisms of the original poster who suggested that shutting down Stansted airport would not have prevented emission of CO2 as additional flights would have to have been made to allow people to complete their connections. This is not true. It is extremely difficult for new flights to be organised by a scheduled airline and very few planes fly with 100% occupancy so those flights which were cancelled rather than delayed would have had their passengers placed on other later flights. Some passengers would have ended up canceling their trips all together if time critical. There would however have been additional CO2 emissions cause by flights being diverted or being held circling longer before being given a landing slot, or by passengers returning home before rescheduling their trip. This shouldn't be seen as devaluing the action.

Garman apparently said, "We believe 2009 can be a transformative year, that the economic crisis presents an opportunity to reject old assumptions just as the ecological crisis focuses minds on the last chance UN climate summit in Denmark in December". To which the original poster replied, "A gathering of the old men of politics is our last, best hope for climate peace? We're fucked then..." Well, yes, we are all fucked since it seems that the established political and economic system is inherently unable to transform to avoid cataclysmic climate change and yet no amount of individual or grassroots action can hope to bring about the simultaneous international changes required to make the slightest difference while the current political and economic system prevails. In other words, there is no hope without a global revolution and not the slightest suggestion that such a thing could be even possible.

It's easy to criticize what other people say or do but unless you can offer alternatives it's all pretty pointless. I don't know how we are going to bring about the changes needed but I know that those who at least try are more likely to achieve something than those who merely criticize. I also know that the time the original poster spent writing the above, and the time I spent on my reply, would almost certainly have been more constructively spent gearing up for the G20 mobilizations or working in the allotment.

n


Bickering and backstabbing

09.03.2009 12:34

I know plenty of people involved in Plane Stupid (spanning a range of ages) and they are all active in other campaigns, both now and in the past. Joss Garman is not representative of them and they'd be the first to say so. There does seem to be a media strategy of carving out a distinction as being a new (and better) generation of activism, perhaps an ill-conceived attempt to avoid being dismissed. To some degree it may explain the criticism Plane Stupid gets from the chatting classes in indymedia comments etc, as they are seen as (and appear to desire to be seen as) distinct and separate - but they are not.

Generally there is loads of bickering and backstabbing going on which just illustrates how far we have to go to being any kind of an effective mass movement or challenge to the status quo.

grey


Logan's Rum, still pissed the morning after the night before?

09.03.2009 12:54

Logan's Rum critique, while SERIOUSLY FLAWED AND BADLY WRITTEN, remains a WELCOME CHANGE from some of what passes for analysis of strategy in these forums. Apart from the excusable 'born stupid' reference in the title, the piece manages to avoid abusive language in it's attack on the EXCEEDINGLY ANNOYING and easy target that is Joss Garman. Additionally it makes no actual claims of it's own, merely posing accusations in the form of unanswered questions.

Compared to many recent comments on indymedia attacking other activists, this is a masterpiece of writing (although by any other measure it is a NON NEWS RANT undeserving of our time). One wonders why the author thought this piece should appear in the newswire in the first place. Perhaps the comments have set such a low standard that (like Plane Stupid) s/he thought it wise to DISTANCE his/her work from those other GOONS who's idea of analysis is to chuck the words MIDDLE CLASS about as insults rather than attempt a constructive critique. Logan's RUM reference raises the question whether this kind of discussion has ANY PLACE ON INDYMEDIA at all rather than being a topic for discussion over a drink or four in the pub.

Twilight


Twilight is back?!

09.03.2009 13:15

I thought you had given up posting here after you totally exposed yourself with your attack on Craig Murray a couple of years ago...

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/10/353898.html?c=on#c159108

Perhaps the comment above wasn't from *the* Twilight...?

Blast From the Past?


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Josh Garmen will be

09.03.2009 13:36



Middle class self serving egotistical tit carving a career for himself on the backs of others and the climate!

part of the establishment soon!


But with respect to the keyboard commandos...

09.03.2009 13:56

"Some of you who have read this far will by now be sniggering with cynicism, and when this article is published online many of the comments will exhibit a similar scorn."

Scorn yes, at wrapping up the analysis of the situation as being about generational gaps, a youthful revolution to the rescue. How fucking patronizing to so many people working their arses off to bring about change who don't happen to be fresh out of school any more!

"So inaction is the greatest threat, and that's why young people are breaking through airport fences and shutting down coal plants. "

Inaction is the greatest threat and that's why people of all ages are taking action. Why would you confuse the issue by turning it into a generational one?

If we are to have a hope in hell it will be because we all come together to act. Creating yet more false divisions is not helping.

Not so young


What a stupid headline - war on the old! LOL

09.03.2009 14:11



Did you even read the article? Joss is a bit of a liability (typical of the genre of pseudo-activist journalists such as George Monbiot) but if you read the article he clearly isn't declaring war on the old and misguided as his agist tripe may be, there is surely some merit in trying to stir up the young as a catalyst the change.

young at heart


to plane stupid

09.03.2009 14:31

What a stupid article (you know which one):
As well as more teenies, here are probably more white people, more middle-class people, and more gay people involved in the anti-apocalypse struggle in Britain. There are reasons for all these imbalances - does that justify building up race, class and sexuality divisions as well?
I'd be so disappointed if this had been done just to grab headlines - maybe the 'Facebook generation' slur isn't so wide of the mark after all....

sphatt


I agree

09.03.2009 17:16

n, grey and Not so young said.

It does feel like a PS media strategy, as pretty much all reports I've read after actions, plus these analysis pieces, play the generational game. Which is a pity, divisive, and dangerous, for the reasons people have already said.

And about the personality politics of the 90s - yes, some of the same mistakes of becoming media personalities are being made by a new set of people, but don't forget all the people active in the 90s (of all generations!) who didn't fall for the media, didn't indulge in a public profile, and did so for very good reasons. Not only not being a hostage to the media (& to sniping from the sidelines), but also a set of politics becoming identified with one (or a few) people, and thus supported or faulted according to the personality not the ideas.

with everything


Assume the position

09.03.2009 17:52

I was nine before I got a trip on a train, as a birthday treat. I was 19 before I got onto a plane. That was typical of my generation and class. Even then though my contemporaries of Joss' class and age were flying and consuming more than was sustainable. That is clearly a class issue rather than a generational issue.
Plane Stupid focus on age rather than class because they are young and rich. It is rather sickening to hear from Joss how his generation have been left impoverished by the financial crisis when he will never know poverty, has no concept of poverty except for student life. These protestors would make a better contribution by following their own travel advice, giving up their gap years travelling and giving up meat, persuading their rich relatives to do likewise rather than targetting strangers at airports. Until then everything else is just public posturing and self-aggrandisement.

By the way Joss, the biggest protests in the past nine years have been peace protests, or as you call them 'stepping stones'. When Ed Milliband is hanging from a lamp-post do you want me to pull your head out of his arse?

noFlier


@noflier assume nothing

09.03.2009 22:29

I was in my late 20's before I ever got on a plane, so what is that meant to prove?

It was Joss Garman and not Plane Stupid that wrote the piece above and he is a journalist not somebody who is cutting through fences or assaulting politicians. Bear in mind that unlike Greenpeace or similar NGOs, Plane Stupid is a voluntary organisation that operates as a franchise, just like many other grassroots environmental campaigns. It's not always possible for them to select who gets to speak to the media nor dictate what those people say or do.

Your assumptions about what 'these protestors' get up are nothing more than unsubstantiated assumptions and it is just demonstrates you prejudice to make claims about their 'gap years travelling', eating meat or having rich relatives. Without exception, all the plane stupid activists I know are at least vegetarian (many are vegan) and go to extraordinary lengths not to fly. I don't know all of them (there were over a hundred involved in the Stansted action) but I know enough to know that you are full of shit.



Adam


Would you adam and eve it?

09.03.2009 23:38

"It was Joss Garman and not Plane Stupid that wrote the piece above and he is a journalist not somebody who is cutting through fences or assaulting politicians."

He is not a journalist and that wasn't a journalistic article, it was an opinion piece. Look at the tag-line, Joss is selling himself as the co-founder of Plane Stupid. That's why he gets opinion pieces in the national press.

"It's not always possible for them to select who gets to speak to the media nor dictate what those people say or do."

You mean like Tilly Gifford, who blocked a flight at Aberdeen last week and yet flies out to India each year?
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423313.html

Unfortunately Joss is perfectly representative of the Plane Stupid protestors I have met, and the whole ecological wing of the Tory party that you represent. Had lunch with Hugo Rifkind recently? Because someone in your franchise just did.
 http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5739655.ece
Been invited to Downing Street lately to get an award for your activism - maybe you should meet up with Hugo more then.

When you say I'm full of shit do you mean that Joss isn't a millionaire, that Tilly doesn't fly to India each year, or that Dan Glass isn't yet another 'future Peter Hain' ?

Personally I think privileged little rich kids who spout off about generational gaps caused by the financial crisis should read tommorows main story in the Independent which highlights exactly such a gap - except it is the old who are suffering and the rich young who are cashing it in.

Anyway Adam, assuming you are that most elusive of protestors, someone vegan in Plane Stupid who doesn't fly, explain how any of your policies hinder the rich from

noFlier


Her majesties pleasure is over

10.03.2009 00:21

I am twilight, the name of the last light before the oncoming darkness. Human kind once identified himself as DIFFERENT from all other species on this planet by CONQUERING darkness with fire. Now a very different darkness is about to CONSUME US ALL. I warned you all of this approaching darkness which threatens to extinguish every "light" within our collective soul - a literally END OF EVERYTHING as we have lost our will to survive as a THINKING species.

The USEFUL IDIOTS of the aptly and deliberately named Plane Stupid and their ilk are DISTRACTIONS designed by Browns GLOBALISTS to keep people away from the full horror of what approaches.

UNDERSTAND THIS, the UK police forces (new reich SS) has carefully MOLDED into a frontline unit that will happily implement the NWO agenda, no matter how fascist, unlawful, or out and out murderous! Joss Garman is a state asset used no only to divide the masses with his false dichotomies but more importantly to attract and neuter those with some fight left in them. You may not like what say but you MUST use history to identify the common nature of such asset journalists as similar personality types to BEHAVE the same way in similar circumstances which is why the likes of Garman are CONTROLLABLE and useful.

twilight


Im not with stupid, stupid

10.03.2009 00:41

hey noflier, i'm not part of plane stupid as should be obvious and like others have told you when you try to turn all your critics into upper class jet setting meat eating tory back slapping careerists.

Joss Garman writes for the Ecologist, right wing eco mag of the Goldsmith fortune and is most certainly not representative of those I know who take direct action against airport expansion.

Adam


Adam Sandler?

10.03.2009 01:06

"hey noflier, i'm not part of plane stupid as should be obvious"

Your previous post just defended Plain Stupid so why should it be obvious that you are not Plain Stupid?

"and like others have told you when you try to turn all your critics into upper class jet setting meat eating tory back slapping careerists."

Those aren't my critics, they are who I am criticising. They haven't responded yet let alone criticised.

"
Joss Garman writes for the Ecologist, right wing eco mag of the Goldsmith fortune and is most certainly not representative of those I know who take direct action against airport expansion."

Joss is more interesting than that but if you disown him so easily then fair enough, speak for yourself. Presumably you take part in actions against airport expansion to limit the total number of flights. Effectively to tax cheap air-travel until it is no longer cheap, which is a sensible thing to do in a capitalist society if you think climate change is a threat to humanity. This is intrinsically elitist though, because the last people to enjoy air-travel will be the rich. It makes this a contentious issue between the reds and the greens. Climate Change is supposedly a bigger threat to humanity than even world war two. If that is true, it justifies rationing. Decide how much air-travel is sustainable. Divide the remaining total number of flights and total number of air-miles between everyone alive, and issue them as yearly credits. The passage still has to be paid for, but you don't get to travel just because you can afford to. In other words, Donald Trump doesn't get to fly any more than you do if you can afford the ticket. That is something both Greens and Reds should be able to aim for.

noFlier


Guilt and the generation gap

10.03.2009 01:34

Joss is a very pleasant moron who owes an apology to an entire generation and to an entire class he does not understand. The indy has just this moment published this online:

A nation divided by the recession

Young, affluent households prosper at the expense of pensioners

By Sean O'Grady, Economics Editor

The worst recession in three-quarters of a century is threatening to divide Britain more painfully than ever. Younger, richer households are gaining from lower inflation, house prices and mortgage rates, but at the expense of older, poorer fellow citizens. They are struggling to survive as they suffer relatively high price rises and a drop in their incomes as interest rates on savings hit zero and they see the equity in their homes destroyed by the property slump.

 http://www.independent.co.uk
 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/a-nation-divided-by-the-recession-1641007.html

noFlier


Read my lips

10.03.2009 10:33

> Adam Sandler?

I have no idea who you mean

> Your previous post just defended Plain Stupid so why should it be obvious that you are not Plain Stupid?

Because I said I know some but not all of Plane Stupid. I'm not defending Plane Stupid, I am attacking you for attacking them with unfounded generalisations.

> "and like others have told you when you try to turn all your critics into upper class jet setting meat
> eating tory back slapping careerists."
> Those aren't my critics, they are who I am criticising. They haven't responded yet let alone criticised.

Others have criticised you here on indynedia and you always respond to them as if they are Plane Stupid. Since you generalise about all of Plane Stupid for being upper-class jetsetting tories, when you refer to me (or any other critic) as being part of Plane stupid then by extension you are calling me an upper-class twat too. Another example of you jumping to unfounded conclusions.

> Presumably you take part in actions against airport expansion to limit the total number of flights.

Lets spell this out one more time. I AM NOT INVOLVED WITH PLANE STUPID OR ACTIONS AGAINST AIRPORT EXPANSION!!!

Adam


How do I read your lips?

10.03.2009 13:38

Adam Sandler, because you are a comedian. I can't read your lips, unless you upload an MPEG I am going to have to just read your words.

"Because I said I know some but not all of Plane Stupid."
I doubt any of that group know everyone in the group, so it hardly differentiates you.

"I'm not defending Plane Stupid, I am attacking you for attacking them with unfounded generalisations"
Yes, but the Plane Stupid members I know are rich and do travel more than most so it is a rational and founded generalisation. Besides, I can extrapolate the views of the people I know to the whole of the group because I can see the aims of the group. The sole aim of Plain Stupid is to make flying so expensive that poor people can't fly, not to limit aviation carbon emissions in a fair manner. That is a class attack not an environmental protest.

noFlier


older and more angry than Mr G

11.03.2009 10:12

It is easy to see that Mr Garmon, more than anything else, got trapped in his own rhetoric. Yes, it is time that the Government and individuals within in decided which side they are on - the side of the future we could have, or the side that we will certainly have if we continue behaving as we do.

Sadly, many young people are as guilty of climate-damaging activity as older generations. On my journey to work today, the people on buses and bikes were mostly over 60. The people in the biggest, petrol guzzling cars, mostly under 40. The people I know with the newest stereos, i-pods, laptops and other plastic ephemera are mostly under 30. May be this is a class issue, but I'm not going to dwell on that one.

Clearly, language of this divisive a nature was ill-thought out and prejorative in a way that undermines the simple truth of Mr Garmon's words; that we don't start acting now on climate change, it might be too late.

The other sad thing about the article, is the glib statements. Why is activism not about polar bears? Surely the defense of wildernesses and all that dwell in them (including the charismatic megafauna) is part of what we do. It has certainly informed my activism Iceland and Canada and the UK.

I started my conscious activism at 14 in the early 1980s. By listening to older activists, rather than slating them, I have learned so very much about the continuity of our struggles. None of these were fads and most of them are still relevant today; struggling against climate change is going to prove pretty futile if we are engaged in a nuclear conflict or if there are accidents at nuclear power plants. I still say no to these too. Knowledge of climate change also informed my part in the road-protests of the 1990's.

Perhaps I am lucky that, coming from a truly working class, trade union family, a respect for older activists and the struggles they had was instilled in me at an early age. Many of my family, including those who are very old indeed, as still politically active and well aware of the need for climate activism. Don't write off people's capacity to be revolutionary in their polics just because they have grey hairs and a few wrinkles, Mr Garmon.

Direct action is not the preserve of the young, but what point is youth if you do not use the time and energy you have to rebel and seek over turn the corrupt and the unequal and the planet-trashing? Youth is the time to struggle against the old world orders and I dread to think what sort of world we would live in if we did not have the struggles of the suffragettes, the labour movement, human rights and the environmental movement behind us. Would climate activism be possible without these?

Is it not a shame that Mr Garmon is not more revolutionary in his outlook and appears only to belittle those of previous generations, rather than build on their rich history? I am also left wondering why he puts so much faith in Goverments to change anything, given their poor history of this front.

Love and rage,

BS

Blithe Spirit


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