Counter demonstrate the pro-Zionist rally Sunday at Trafalgar Square!
Smash Zionism! | 07.01.2009 10:37
Zionist suppportters are holding a rally in support of Israels war against the Palestinians in Gaza in Trafalgar Square on Sunday the 11th of January, from 10:40am to 12noon. This rally must not go unopposed! Please turn up to counter demonstrate.
Full details of the zionist event on on the link below:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=59114330154&ref=nf
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=59114330154&ref=nf
Smash Zionism!
Additions
The 'Peace' Rally on the 11th
07.01.2009 12:09
This double messaging is very clever. It allows them to mobilze those defending israel's actions as well as those who are campaigning for a cease fire. More sneaky still, placards etc are provided by the organisers so they get to set the final messaging, along with their press departments media blitz.
smash zionism
Comments
Hide the following 20 comments
The numbers game
07.01.2009 11:14
The previous week a much bigger pro Palestinian Rally had been given a much lower "estimated figure".
The tactics are pretty obvious they keep their camera shots tight never showing more than a couple of dozen people all close up stuff. To counter this photographers should try to get into places where they get a good view of the masses of people involved, get wider shots and repeat the shot as the various falgs and big banners go by so it is possible to make out that it's not the same section of the crowed photographed from a slightly different angle. The pro Palestine, therefore anti british government rallies are always under estimated , I'm bloody sure that the Zionist rally will be over estimated we need to do something about this as it takes a lot to get a 50,000 out on the streets and its a real shame to have that reduced to 12.000 by some jerk of journalist.
Counter
Zionists exposed
07.01.2009 11:53
resist the zionist
makes me sick
07.01.2009 13:17
theyarefash
GREAT
07.01.2009 13:26
Everyone turn up and be ready to show the fucking zionists how we feel!
John
To John
07.01.2009 13:45
It's not a question of who is worse, the deaths of any civilians no matter what race or culture they are is unacceptable. The leaders of both Hamas and the IDF should be tried for war crimes.
Hamas isn't some lovely peaceful organisation exempt from condemnation, it is Hamas gunmen who killed my Palestinian friends father just because he sympathised with Fatah and the PLO.
Misha Akbar
To Misha
07.01.2009 14:02
He's absolutely right. Gaza is a cage where 1.5 million people, 50% under 18 years old, are held captive and destitute by the apartheid terror state of Israel. On top of that, they're slaughtering people from the air and on the ground in a cynical, barbaric, pre-planned attack. Do you really think this is just about Hamas? Are 60 years of colonial occupation, degradation, oppression and war crimes (cf Lebanon) caused by Hamas?
You're looking at the wrong end of the telescope. And falling for (and propagating) the Israeli diversionary tactic.
On your criteria, you would have opposed the PLO, and Fatah and every other form of resistance. And yet you have nothing to say about Israel's actions over 60 years.
Why not?
William Greaves
Fatah Traitors
07.01.2009 14:09
Western Democracy is Hypocricy! The zionists provoked Hamas! Look at how many they killed in Gaza during the so called cease fire! How many incursions and ofcourse the blockade! Who is being terrorised? Who is being Killed? Who is being Occupied? Who is being Humilated? Who is not being given the right to RETURN? Who has racist Laws against non JEWS in Israel? Who is being MURDERED?
John
Misha wrote:
07.01.2009 14:19
Hmmm, and was it not the case that Dahlan (1) of Fatah, plotted with the USA to overthrow the elected Hamas? And that he lost that battle? (2)
(1)
(2)
ruminant
Piss Take rally
07.01.2009 14:46
Subvert and Survive !!
Zionist Fuckers
Sorry big reply to all
07.01.2009 15:03
William - You say I have nothing to say about Israel's actions over last 50 years but this is a lie and you know it, you are just trying to twist my words for your own game and that is wrong. I said both IDF and Hamas are guilty, I do not agree with IDF after all they invaded my country Lebanon. However that is not to say that I support Hezzbollah either. All of these groups use us civilians as pawns in their games, they use people in foreign countries too. Everyone is manipulated, it is always civilians who are hurt. To say I am supporting Israel is a lie, I think all terror is disgusting I am well aware of actions of Irgun, Lehi and Haganah they are same as Hamas and Hezzbollah.
John - My friends father was old he grew up with Fatah that is what he knows, much in same way old people stick to traditions and not change. He was not Fatah gunman or politician, just civilian who votes for Fatah. Like UK citizen who votes for your Labour or Conservative. They had no right to murder him for not changing views and voting Hamas. Hamas is terrible like all terror groups they hide weapons in civilian houses and use us as shields, Hezzbollah did that to us, they put guns in our houses and schools to lure Israeli's to kill us civilians and then they can claim media attention. The Palestinians like Lebanese are opressed by Hamas, Hezzbollah, Syria, Iran, and Israel. We are just disposable to them.
Ruminant - Read what I write to John, my friends father was not Fatah gunman he was just an old man who vote Fatah like all old traditional voters.
Misha Akbar
Hamas
07.01.2009 15:24
If the muslims choose to live by sharia law then why not!
I have been to the middle wast and although none of them actually implement sharia fully I find it a lot safer then I do walking in the streets of London.
Hamas fighters and Hezbollah fighters are putting their lives on the line to defend themselves.
The school bombing by Israel yesterday was deliberate. UN staff gave them coordinates and told them no fighters were in the school.
John
Never mind the demo Get along to the Gala Dinner
07.01.2009 15:33
You can make a declaration at Balfour house, 'scuse the pun, and I am sure dinner will probably set you back a weeks wages, not that it will bother a host of arslikhan MP's who know which side their bread is buttered on ...
Kosher
To John
07.01.2009 17:01
It's not just Muslims that live here despite what you are told, and even then there is Sunni and Shia who not get along one bit like Catholic and Protestant. There are also Maronite, Jew, Atheist and others. Hezzbollah fight the Maronites and Jews, they fight back, Syria backs one and Iran backs another. It's not fair on us who have to live there, we live in fear of what the different groups will do, they are all blood thirsty for revenge. Why can't us civilians just live in peace?
It is not fair to implement sharia on whole populace, even in Palestine areas there are lots of secular people who do not want the interference of religion. Back home where i live in Beirut it can be dangerous for all religions and people not of religion, the block where I live has both Palestinian, Maronite, Lebanese, and some Jews. I have heard of attacks on all of these groups it is not fair at all. The Jewish man across the road was beaten up just because he is Jewish, he does not support the Israel war yet he was attacked anyway.
It is difficult for outsiders to understand what is happening to us, we just want peace we want the different groups to stop fighting each other, in past we all live in peace. West should stop interfering in our affairs and taking sides when it is not them who lives here, you claim not to support war yet taking sides spurs the madmen on. We don't tell you about giving Wales, Sctoland and Ireland independence what gives you right to tell middle east what to do? It's like colonial times you just want to interfere with us.
Misha Akbar
Hamas
07.01.2009 19:36
Tell me something we in the west keep telling the world about the wonderful virtues of democracy but when Hamas or FIS in Algeria are democratically elected then it is not acceptable as they may have a view different from that of UK and USA. If as a result of democracy the people choose Sharia then that should be respected. Or are you suggesting they accept only secular laws?
As for the attack on the Jew in Lebanon that is wrong. Many Arab christians fought alongside the muslims against the fundamentalist christian crusaders. The jews were given protection by the Islamic states.
If Hezbollah did not give Israel a beating they would never have left. The war in 2006 was planned and started by the zionists! The Israeli soldiers were captured on Lebanese territory. Few days before their capture the zionists kidnapped Lebanese national. How many Lebanese are still being held illegally by Israel?
Yes war is ugly but please see with both eyes and look at who are the aggressors. Why should we tell the Palestinians to accept occupation, torture, humiliation, racism?
No justice no peace.
John
Zimbabwe bad, Israel Good
07.01.2009 19:47
We had more coverage of South Ossetia recently for a reason, the same reason yesterdays Daily Mail headline story was about a revolt against low-energy light bulbs. In regional media forums the topic has been banned from comment. Desmond Tutu was widely reported in the UK for criticising Mugabe. His recent condemnation went less widely reported.
"In the context of total aerial supremacy, in which one side in a conflict deploys lethal aircraft against opponents with no means of defending themselves, the bombardment bears all the hallmarks of war crimes." The attacks, in retaliation for rockets fired by the Palestinians, would not contribute to the security of Israel, he said. "It is a blight not only on the Middle East, but on the entire world - and particularly world leaders who have consistently failed the people of Palestine and Israel over the past 60 years."
Daniel
To Misha
07.01.2009 21:56
Well in Gaza, you can't live in peace because you have been dispossessed of your nation and human rights, you have been oppressed, brutalized, murdered, detained without trial, with impunity; you have been forced into a tiny portion of what was your nation and held without basic amenities - power, food, water, medecine, housing; you're democratic vote has been ignored. AND THEN you are aasaulted by the 4th largest military machine in the world.
What bothers me about your analysis is that it lacks historical and political understanding. It is simplistic to equate the IDF with Hamas. Also misleading - they are actors in this situation, they are not the issue itself.
The problem is not "terrorists" - the problem is a fundamental injustice - that Palestine is occupied, that the Palestinians are being butchered. That Israel is an apartheid state. That it is supported by the US, the UK and the West generally, and that corrupt Arab regimes are collaborating.
Civilians can live in peace when there is justice for Palestinians. When states that encourage Israeli aggression and intransigence stop doing so. When the people of the world are so disgusted by what Israel is and what it does, that we make it a pariah state, like South Africa under apartheid.
The attack on Gaza is not about Hamas, it is about Israeli politics and history. It is the ideology of the state to suppress the Palestinians as they have since Zionism first entered Palestine.
William Greaves
Post your comment on the Facebook page of this pro-Israel rally
07.01.2009 23:28
"What kind of 'peace' is this rally calling for? My definition of peace doesn't include F16s, tanks, 600 dead half of whom are civilians, god knows how many dead, wounded and traumatised children, bombing a UN school in a refugee camp, mass starvation and imprisonment. This is what the people of Gaza are suffering, what kind of 'peace' will be achieved by this? Yes, Hamas may be partly to blame, and yes, the people of Israel should also be able to live in peace without fear from rocket attacks. But by hiding behind a 'peace' banner, it seems like this rally is cynically attempting to trick people into supporting military violence and 60 years of oppression of the Palestinian people.
For a true and just peace in the Middle East!"
JA
no inverse racism
07.01.2009 23:42
proud atheist
another terrible discussion
08.01.2009 14:32
In Rafah, in the first intifada, Hamas hung local prostitutes by their necks from lamp-posts. Fateh did nothing about it. Did those sex-workers deserve it because 'they had chosen to live by Sharia law'? How absurd and sick! All nations are built of contradictions. There are no perfect national unities, still less organisations which act on their behalf.
Hamas/Fateh are political parties, armed ones at that, who have at one time or another run the state, crushed strikes, etc.. The point of the political project behind indymedia is (allegedly) anti-state, anti-party. For very good reasons.
Of course Dahlan was a gangster. What right do you have to accuse someone's father of being like Dahlan without the slightest knowledg? Ridiculous. Don't worry Misha, not everyone in the movement is a berserk keyboard warrior.
I know that Israel kills more than a hundred times the number of the Palestinians. But states are states; and we are not on the same side as any of them.
Tom
States are states?
08.01.2009 15:31
'We' may oppose all states, if you are limiting the discussion just to anarchists, but we oppose certain states more vociferously because they are more powerful and dangerous. That's why in 1936 the International Brigades went to fight in Spain and not in Sweden.
You could argue that perhaps if Hamas had any real power then it may commit crimes just as horrendous as the Israeli crimes in Gaza but that is a hypothetical point. No one here is supporting Hamas, we are supporting civilians under one of the worst bombardments in living memory.
Some posters have criticised or refused to attend peace rallies and actions because Hamas have fought back. This moral equivalency is akin to refusing to condemn the German response to the Warsaw Uprising because the ghetto residents started the uprising so started the violence. Utter nonsense.
Daniel