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Europe’s ruling elite fear the “contagion” from Greece

Chris Marsden | 15.12.2008 21:20 | Social Struggles

It is necessary for working people, especially the young, to consider the broader implications of the past week’s events in Greece. It is, after all, a question that is occupying the thoughts of senior figures within the ruling elites of Europe and the United States.

The rioting that has engulfed Greece had its spark in the police killing of a 15-year-old boy, Alexis Grigoropoulos. But this ignited a seething mass of discontent, especially amongst Greece’s youth and its student population. Despite the efforts of the New Democracy government and its nominal opponents on the official left to blame anarchist agitators, only this social opposition can account for the sustained character of the protests and their spread throughout the country, even in the face of brutal repression.

Numerous reports have drawn attention to the dire situation facing the younger generation in Greece, even those who have graduated from university. Unemployment affects one in four 15-to-24-year-olds, even in advance of the full impact of the slump in the world economy. Post-graduates are routinely forced to take minimum wage jobs at just €600 a month, if they are lucky. Some work two jobs in order to survive.

Andre Gerolymatos wrote in Canada’s Globe and Mail that “the predominant factor for the actions of such young people is a sense of hopelessness,” noting that unemployment for those between 15 and 20 is “just over 22 per cent.” He continued: “It’s no coincidence that most of the rioters fall within that age group. In effect, one in four young men and women face a future of low-paying jobs and poverty.”

The situation in Greece is dire, but it is by no means the exception. Across Europe a similar picture is developing. Hence the commentaries to the effect that Greece is emblematic of what the Wall Street Journal acknowledges to be “growing discontent among youths in many European countries.”

The Journal noted that young people in Greece have been “dubbed ‘Generation 600’—referring to the country's national minimum wage of €600.” It then listed similar designations: In Germany it is “Generation Intern” because graduates “have found themselves working as interns for no or low pay for long periods.”

In Spain, young people are referred to as “mileuristas” — “loosely, those who scrape by on a thousand euros a month … entering the workplace with few benefits or protections, often moving between temporary contracts.”

In a more extensive December 9 comment on Spain, Bloomberg noted that its “Best Generation” is being hit hardest as “boom turns to bust.” Some 28 percent of Spain’s young people are out of work, twice the European Union average. Fully 63 percent of those between the ages of 15 and 24 who were working were on temporary contracts last year, “so the young people are the first ones to lose their jobs and they’re losing them massively,” explained Gayle Allard, vice-rector of the Instituto de Empresa business school in Madrid.

The average net monthly salary for people under age 29 is just €964. Only 55 percent of young workers can afford all their costs, according to a government report.

The day before Alexis Grigoropoulos was killed, Forbes ran a report by Selcuk Gokoluk warning, “Rising unemployment among young Turks threatens to fuel social unrest.” Bulent Pirler, general secretary of an employers’ group, stated, “Turkey has a young population. If they are not educated and employed, it means you have a bomb in your hands.”

Forbes continued: “Data shows that 1.09 million people are registered at the state unemployment agency, but it is advertising only 14,526 job offers. More than one third of the jobless claims registered last month were made by people aged 15-24.”

The Telegraph in Britain featured an article in its December 8 business pages by Constantine Courcoulas insisting, “Investors are wrong to ignore the Greek riots.”

After warning that the present “uproar is unprecedented” and “no longer limited to an anarchist fringe” due to “widespread anger at the government,” Courcoulas wrote that “the tensions created by unemployment, marginalised youth and incompetent governments are far from exclusively Hellenic. Similar outbreaks are possible in other countries. Recessions are always tough on the young. And while the Greek rioters’ slogan— ‘bullets for your youth, money for your banks’—may not qualify as sound socioeconomic analysis, it has a catchy ring.”

He concluded, “Social protests have sometimes changed the world. Think of the French and Russian revolutions.”

Writing for Associated Press, a similar appraisal was made by Paul Haven, who stated that the “authorities in Europe worry conditions are ripe for the contagion to spread” as the continent “plunges into recession.”

Most tellingly, the Scotsman newspaper drew attention to the response of French President Nicolas Sarkozy to the Greek events. Rejecting budget proposals from his own party that he considered too obviously biased toward the wealthy, he remarked, “Look what is going on in Greece.”

Sarkozy expressed concern that unrest could spread to France, the Scotsman reported. “The French love it when I’m in a carriage with Carla, but at the same time they’ve guillotined a king,” he said.

The citations above are drawn from leading financial journals, newspapers with a distinctly right-wing colouration and organs generally designated as newspapers “of record.” They are serious appraisals made of a growing threat to the capitalist system posed by a generation of young people, often educated, highly intelligent and articulate, who are living on next to nothing. Told for years that an education was all that was required to succeed, they have no prospects for the future despite their sacrifices and those of their parents.

Faced with governments of the official left and right seeking to make working people shoulder the full weight of the economic crisis, and opposition parties that offer no real opposition to this agenda, young people in Greece have taken to the streets in a mass display of anger and frustration. But make no mistake. We are witnessing the beginning of a profound social shift that must assume political forms that will not be confined to the compromised and discredited trade unions and organisations of the official left.

Chris Marsden
- Homepage: http://www.wsws.org

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individuals can do something for themselves

15.12.2008 22:45

Sounds a poor situation. But in fairness the average of 964 euros is more than I earnt when i left uni. I spent a couple of years working very hard on my personal development to get myself out of that situation - I didn't go around rioting and calling people comrades because I thought that might be counter-productive. I got some books and studied multimedia in my own time, built a portfolio and got a decent job. Although this isn't generalistic - it does appear that many activists decide to study political philosphy or something equally inane and then wonder why they can't get a high paying job.

secular


Re: individuals can do something for themselves

16.12.2008 00:21

Secular, you were very lucky to have earned almost the equivalent of 964 euros when you left uni. It seems you have not understood the article correctly, 964 euros is an average for people under 29 years old which means 50% are earning between 600 and 964 euros even in their late 20s (many years after graduation). Also consider that inflation has risen since you were at university so your 964 euros would have been worth far more in your post graduate days.

"I spent a couple of years working very hard on my personal development to get myself out of that situation - I didn't go around rioting and calling people comrades because I thought that might be counter-productive."

Putting your self-righteousness aside for one moment, you are suggesting that the entire population of Greek protestors have some how not made the same effort that you have, and seem naive enough to believe that simply working hard is all that is necessary to achieve your goals whilst a global recession is wreaking havoc worldwide.

Perhaps if you had studied politics or philosophy you might have a more coherent political analysis on wealth concentration, wealth disparity, financial institutions and capitalism.

I'm better than you


Global economy - immunity through skills?

16.12.2008 00:24

Let me guess.... Torrow under a different pseudonym?

'Improving your skills for the global economy?'
'Moving abroad to improve your skills and get better paid?'

How terribly middle-class. And so closeminded that you may as well have a blindfold on.

I have friends who are skilled technicians who are seeing their jobs move to India cos their technology company are moving entire departments to India; have heard of people's parents who are in the telecomms industry as engineers who are seeing their jobs, after close to 30 years of work experience, move to India too........... Friends who are employment consultants who have had their 30k jobs dissappear virtually overnight, scores of people working as temps likewise thrown on the scrap heap because they were cheap to hire, and cheap to sack - thanks to this country's ridiculously 'liberal' employment legislation.

Industry moves to where it is cheapest to locate. Just cos' you have some skills doesn't mean you are immune to the ravages of the global banking system. The spread of this revolt from Greece, which was also foretold in some ways by the France uprising in 2005 seems almost inevitable.We need freedom. We need equality.The new employment? Clawing back what we should all have, as each according to his need.

NotTarrow


The typical stupid

16.12.2008 00:43

Here we have a good example of "self-made man". One of those who has earned himself a place among the middle class by working hard and obeying orders. This system is based in competitiveness stupid and that means that even if we all tried to follow your example there would be always someone who should lose in the battle because at the end of the day somebody has to clean your shit and do the dirty jobs according to the logic of the bunch of lies in which you base your set of ideas.

That fucking mixture of Protestant-Calvinist mentality (so anglo-saxon) conservative morality and ass-licking attitude can no longer deceive anyone.

If you lost your youth in pointless crap in order to achieve your golden-bar jail, your car and your status as a respectful citizen that is your bloody bussiness. Fuck you and your bloody resentment.

What we are after is nothing you cannot understand. You just do not want to. Since you had to manage with such a crapy salary when you were a young person now we have to be as stupid as you were... is it envy, jealousy what smells of over here?...

Look at them, their bodies and mind are young, and even the chronollogicaly old people that is following these kids, they are young too. You, and people like you are the only ones who have something to lose, the ones who are already dragging a misearable bundle of flesh and bones every day to the same places and in the same fashion. YOU ALL ARE A TALKING CORPSE.

Pick your side man, things from now on will not be the same again.

Mohawk


Facts of life

16.12.2008 02:13

I'm certainly not suggesting the entire population etc.etc., As my post title clearly stated: individuals can help themselves. Suggesting ALL people will do something is ridiculous. Most won't will never do - because they don't have the ambition or actually want to choose that path.

Well if they don't want it, they can't complain about not having it.

>> Perhaps if you had studied politics or philosophy you might have a more coherent political analysis on wealth concentration, wealth disparity, financial institutions and capitalism.
I'm extremely glad i didn't because I think its a terrible choice! Employers have never, ever wanted to pay a wage for daydreamers. The most relevent thing I studied regarding that area was economics. Basically, in a nutshell, that is a study of "what people want", why they want it and how they get it. Even with that bit of economic study, I understand what my potential employers want and how they get it.

Ah, the recession = no jobs. Utter crap. Some friends of mine have lost jobs - guess what? they got another one!
A friend of mine in London is working for £600 a day. I've seen what he does - its not even particularly difficult. He turns down work for £400 a day... so, despite a recession, individuals can get extremely good work if they have the wherewithal. I've had agencies ringing me desparate for certain skillsets, asking me if I know anyone who is available. I'd get paid a finders fee if I could find people because there is so much work in particular areas. Jobs with no one to fill them. Companies are so desparate they are forced to pay contracts rates.

My personal experience of unemployed politics students and many indymedia readers is that they consider themselves to be very smart and aloof to the worker bees around them. I'd disagree - there is a difference between remembered knowledge and real intelligence. A brickie lives round the corner from me who is truly happy. Hes truly intelligent, understands what people want and is good at bringing people together. Thats the difference between real-world smart and academic smart. One can make a fantasic life for themselves, the other doesn't even know how to get himself off state benefits and so has to spend their day bitching about the world economy, smoking rollups and wondering which scarf they are going to where outside the train station.

secular


secular:

16.12.2008 10:14

Mmm anti-intellectualism...

Aside from the fact that the situation in Greece is quite different different, and I doubt if you'd grown up there you would've found it so easy to 'better yourself':

Yes, people are able to make something of themselves here if they work hard, but more importantly, if they are lucky. There are plenty of people who put their heart and soul into making themselves more employable and don't get employed, just like there are people who happily stroll into a well paid job in which they actually do sweet FA. It's not about not having ambition, it's about the fact that not everyone can have the well paid jobs, the vast majority have to accept the shit jobs because that's the way the system works. This "Well if they don't want it, they can't complain about not having it" is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever read, yes, of course, people don't *want* to be able to get a decent job which will pay their rent and bills and maybe even leave them a bit left over, that's why there's unemployment - people just don't *want* to work.

Noone said recession = no jobs, but recession does = less jobs, you can't say that's not the case (or maybe you will, but that will just make you a moron). Yes, well done, some people like your friend and yourself can still find work, bully for you - but as we've already established, not everyone can. So you are effectively bragging about the fact that you are somewhere nearer the top of the system to those who are clearly at the bottom, which to my mind makes you a bit of a twat.

Anyway, back to your anti intellectualism: my personal experience of politics students (I'm afraid I don't know of any unemployed ones) is they fall into two categories, the ones who studied it to get a job, these people will often go and become researchers for MPs or something equally boring sounding, in general they are fairly employable. Then there are the ones who did it because they are passionate about the subject - they tend to stay in academia and get a worse wage (in general), but I can't say I've ever heard one complain about that. I've doing one of the most employable degrees there are and yet I still think what you're saying is idiotic, you know why? Because even if I personally get an awesome job, the majority of people won't, not because they are 'lazy' or 'don't want to get a job', but because sadly THOSE are the facts of life.

Ae


The mystery of rising laziness!

16.12.2008 10:51

Now, now we mustn't just dismiss our secular troll friend's analysis. Lets take it seriously. Unemployment is down to laziness amongst the unemployed, a common enough Daily Mail type analysis. So world wide rising unemployment must mean there has been a world wide rise in laziness over the last month or so.

Now surely this simultaneous rise in laziness across so many countries in the world can't be mere coincidence but since it can't be down to the structural dynamics of capital there must be another explanation.

Therefore I can only conclude that there is a world wide conspiracy to put bromide in young people's tea, or perhaps coffee.

Now secular seeing as you work in the non job of "multimedia" and bullshit like that is the first thing to go in a recession then there is a very good chance you'll find yourself a bit strapped for work in the near future. You have two options: try and work out the real reason's why the world is in the straights it is or trust to keeping your tea and coffee under lock and key.

Free the Tea


The mysterious world wide rise in laziness!

16.12.2008 11:04

Now, now let's not dismiss our secular troll friend's analysis out of hand. Lets take it seriously for a minute. Unemployment is caused by the laziness of the unemployed, a common enough Daily Mail style of analysis. Now there has been a world wide rise in unemployment over the last month, so there must have been a world wide rise in laziness to cause it.

Now a simultaneous rise in laziness across so many countries can't be down to mere coincidence and since he dismisses the idea that is was caused by the structural dynamics of capitalism then there must be another explanation.

Therefore I can only conclude that there has been a world wide conspiracy to put bromide in young people's tea, or perhaps coffee.

Now secular seeing as you work in the non-job of "multimedia" and such fripperies are the first things to be cut in a recession then there is a good chance you might find yourself a but strapped for work in the near future.

You have a couple of choices: You could try and work out the real reasons why the world is in the dire straights it is and join with others to try and act on them or you can just trust to keeping your tea and coffee under lock and key.

See you in the coffee bar.

Free the tea


yeh right

16.12.2008 12:52

"I've had agencies ringing me desparate for certain skillsets"

Obviously not for your language skills.

Mr Bloody Full Of Yourself.

Krop


Facts of Life II

16.12.2008 17:04

>> This system is based in competitiveness stupid....
Nothing wrong with competitiveness. Its a driving force. Evolution is built on it, without competitiveness complex lifeforms would not exists. You are extremely competitive - trying to rock the system with your own ideas rather than conforming.

>> Things different in greece....
- Greece joined the EU in 1981 (i think).... thats a big playground to move in.

>> Collapse of the economy....
Right -- you lot have been watching too much TV! We are in a recession not the end of the world. Technically, a recession typically lasts 9-18mths. It is a normal process in economics know as a correction. The TV programs and newspapers do the doom & gloom story for one reason: to sell their media. This is nothing new, they do it every time. Quit falling for the scare mongering. Remember when they said oil was going to $200 a barrel, and then the same news service saying it will be $30 a barrel. Both full of it, its just to get you to buy the paper. Don't take it literally. The economy will flat bottom for about 9mths and then begin to improve. First signs: the health sector. Nothing new or radical.
Recession = less jobs. Yes. But did you know certain industries grow during recessions.... more opportunities if you have the wherewithal.

>> This "Well if they don't want it, they can't complain about not having it" is possibly the most retarded thing I've ever read, yes, of course, people don't *want* to be able to get a decent job which will pay their rent and bills and maybe even leave them a bit left over, that's why there's unemployment - people just don't *want* to work.
My point is that there a lots of good jobs available in the EU - right now. Why aren't they filled? Its about sitting on the phone for 7 hours a day, sending out 20-30 CVs. If a job seeker is applying for one job a week, whats he been doing with the rest of his time. Nothing.... thats about 6 and 3/4 days of him not *wanting* a job.

>> Anyway, back to your anti intellectualism: my personal experience of politics students ...
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. I'm glad your enjoying your degree but don't lose sight that it is ultimately an ends to a means -> to get job interviews. If you are worried about getting a job, I can only give advice from personal experience in my little area which may not be appropriate but you get the idea.
Firstly, graduates think they are instantly employable and that the world owes them a favour. Thats totally natural and i think it is the universities fault. But drop that mentality straight away, otherwise you'll just end up sounding like the 5th Beetle.

In reality, graduates are usually not much use straight out of uni. They don't have any commericial experience. Theres a joke you often hear that goes like :- A graduate turns up for his first day of work. The boss takes him to basement and gives him a broom. "But I'm a Graduate!!" he cries. "Don't worry, we'll give you training"

Getting a job isn't about going to a job fair and picking one off the shelf. Whilst at uni, study the job market - to ascertain where you want to and can fit in, Don't leave it until after graduation. Getting commercial experience where possible is a huge help. You got to drop this "I apply for a job and I get it" mentality. In some countries, it is actually an honour to have a job. Europe seems to think it is a god given right. If you adopt a: I got to *earn* a job mentality you will get a good one.

Applying for 1 job a week is not being someone who really *wants* a job. It is someone who is trying to kid themselves that they want to work.

Get on the phone, ring anyone who will listen. Find out what they are doing, and most importantly what they want. You will be knocked back loads and will probably only meet 3-4% of the people you talk to. Beware them saying "send a CV", they often just say that to get you off the phone. Do this whilst still studying is even better. Your one goal is to be arranging to meet employers.

Contacts in the business is probably the most valuable thing you can get. Learn to build relationships with decision makers. If you are doing this whilst you study, you are preparing all the ground work before leaving uni.

Yes, there arn't enough average-high paid jobs to go around. For the same reason that the world doesn't need 100,000+ fulltime politics & philosphers graduates. But you can make a personal choice: get a good job or get a McJob. Thats how things work since the dawn of humanity. We'll lucky to have a minimum wage in place if you think about it, so don't bitch about that either. People bitch at work all the time as an excuse not to take a break. Fine, just don't make a career of it.

Stop going on about intellectualism etc.etc. Whilst you are doing that, you are just procrastinating about finding a job advert, picking up the phone and asking for a job.

>> Something about coffee....
Coffee doesn't give you ambition. Walk past any starbucks, full of people starring into space doing nothing.
Whilst you are wasting time drinking your coffee; someone, somewhere is making a phone call and asking for a job.

>> Obviously not for your language skills....
Congratulations - have a cookie. Get a job proof reading. They can pay £15+ an hour.

secular


@free the tea

16.12.2008 18:11

You are exactly right on a point there. My industry is under risk from a recession, although not too bad as I am in the production of training material not a design agency and our company seems fine. But even so, I'm pre-empting any risk by putting in some ground work.

There is actually a third option you didn't mention. That is: doing something about getting a job.

For me, preemption starts with seeing whats out there, what skills there is a shortage in. Making phone calls, finding out what people are into, what they want and what they are short of. Then its just updating my portfolio, making some spike demos in new techniques, researching new design ethos and what industries are adapting them. More phone call to see who winning big business and is likely to be expanding their workforce and who is recruiting. I mean - it isn't exactly rocket science is it?

I think its harder just to sit back and do nothing but complain. What use does that serve?

secular


Secular = middle class tit

16.12.2008 18:34

So typical of the English middle class dribble thats beginning to poison Indymedia.

@narchist


intellectual twattery

16.12.2008 21:07

Yeh, I agree. Utter drivel verging on verbal diarrhea. If I wanted to hear something as inane as this I would turn on BBC news and listen to a government minister giving an interview.

e.g. "For me, preemption starts with seeing whats out there, what skills there is a shortage in. Making phone calls, finding out what people are into, what they want and what they are short of".... it's the kind of thing I'd expect from a upper-middle class and slightly bored undergraduate or masters student who hasn't the slightest clue about real work, or what they're even talking about.

Krop


cheer up

16.12.2008 21:46

A lot of commenters seems extremely negative about every single facet of life. No wonder they can't get out of bed in the morning. Probably think christmas is a miserable time aswell.

secular


@secular - gather ure rosebuds...

16.12.2008 23:20

secular ure missing out! Who want´s to do your boring phone-y calls and write 40 cvs a day? when young people in the occupied Athens Polytechnion are kissing and petting during a break between a riot and the next demo?

If I had to decide between a 700 Euro a day job and a revolt I would opt for the revolt! Only couple a day ago friends of mine got their tickets for the plane to Athens. Found a cheap hostel, and they just rang me up from an Exarchia cafe bar sipping cool retsina served with some fresh olives and the best bread u ever ate. The dope is cheap too. One of them got himself a girlfriend already. Met that beautifull Greek girl on a protest march...

...WE´re giving BIRTH to a new movement. Who the fuck needs seculars jobs, which don´t exist anyway, and if - they´re underwaged. Secular´s a troll. He´s just a sad ´ker.

Go down to Athens. We´re gonna have a revolution soon. Secular´s missing out, secular´s missing out...

Volker


yo

17.12.2008 00:47

Good on ya you tosser. Glad you having great time there and arn't miserable like the rest of the self-destructing who think life is over because of a recession. Anyway wasn't saying you have to get a job. But, if you did want one, stop crying to mummy that you need your bottom rubbing with vaseline and do something about it.

secular


Secular!!!!

17.12.2008 01:37

Secular, my bestest friend. If you're concerned about the state of topical vaseline application in local communities, then perhaps you'd better check to see if there are any skills shortages in that sector of the economy. It's right up your line of arse-sliding work, no? The kind of thing you do best? Have a look on Monster.co.uk, I'm sure you will find some 'opportunities'. Best of luck.

Krop


What is life about?

17.12.2008 12:03

1 of me mates recently got cancer, upwardly mobile and networking selfish kind a type, hardworking though, got only 38! Were did all his sucess get him?

Quite a few n´bours of mine died of cancer. Been livin for their terraced houses all their lives. Never went on strike, or on a demo. Bitchin against n´bors or workmates and arselicking superiors = I was only obeying orders kinda types. Even after they payed off their mortgages and retired they build little amendments every 2nd year and now, decoratin,sweepin and doing all day, - their little boxes on a hillside being their all evading bees in a bonnet. Never went on a holliday longer than the packaged 14 day tour. Never rebelled never freaked out never were sand in the clockwork.

I mean, for fucks sake what is life about?

And here we have people in Greece revolting and some people are complaining about it instead of a letting off a few bottles of sparkler.

Volker


volker

17.12.2008 16:21

>> 1 of me mates recently got cancer, upwardly mobile...
>>Quite a few n´bours of mine died of cancer....
Sorry to hear that. Partially agree. It depends on how strong the incentive is. I bitch about the quality of my lunch. If a truck came towards me i dont bitch i get out of the way. If they are really, really were pissed off with what they had, they would do something about it. In one respect, you are at least doing something about it (or at least you think you are). My point is that I think you are not.

>> I mean, for fucks sake what is life about?
dunno. happiness?. Money allows me to do some of the things in life that I want to do. If i want more money, I have to compete against the other people who want also want more money, which means sacrificing other portions of my life if I think it is worth it.

>> And here we have people in Greece revolting and some people are complaining about it instead of a letting off a few bottles of sparkler.
This is where I'm honestly confused - so don't just resort to rhetoric insults but correct me if you can. If you have been in education all your life, you expect the grown-ups (government) to give you a large pay packet aswell. If it doesn't you seem to thing the only option is to revolt.

Jobs and business is mostly made by individuals outside of the government who start companies and employ other people. If people don't like the wages they compete with other people for the better jobs. You may not agree or like it, but thats how it is. We can't just wipe out millions of years of evolution, reaction to incentives, and ingrained human behaviour from the human population and replace it with something else because we suddenly think its a trivial detail. Who has the biggest incentive to get a large pay packet? A family man with kids or a single guy in a flat-rental? The family guy will naturally apply more of his life to work if he can earn more money.

Yes, I know - a simplified view. The rest is mostly the dynamics which losely revolves around supply and demand.
The books will say: Lots of people + few jobs = low wages. Lots of jobs + few people = high wages.
Thats complete crap. Because even in a recession there are certain work areas where there are more jobs than people.

Don't get sucked into the gloom sayers going on about the recession will last forever and cause the end of the world. Oils going to $200, Oil will drop to $30. House prices will continue go up a million %. House prices will drop to nothing. The same analysts continuely spout fear mongering, contradictory clap-trap which you are falling for.

Its the banks fault. crap. Most of this problem was because people recklessly borrowed money to pay for stuff they couldn't afford. Banks didn't force people to get 4 credits cards and max them out on large plasma TVs. People who borrowed a small fortune to buy a property would have been the first to pat themselves on the back about their 'shrewd financial investment' if the price went up. Now the prices have gone down - all we hear is "its the banks / governments fault". Its utter crap. The only mistake the banks did was to assume that people were responsible borrowers and thus staked their business on reliably getting the loans back. They should of treated people more like untrustworthy children

>>And here we have people in Greece revolting and some people are complaining about ...
A revolt will not create jobs, it will destroy them. More revolting means more money will be spent on police. An overthrown government system will mean becoming like a third world country with with no imports due to a valueless currency. Organised crime with heavy muscle will take a foothold and you'll suddenly know what real exploitation feels like.

Obviously, im missing your point - so enlighten me.

secular


Excuse me?

19.12.2008 20:15

"Most of this problem was because people recklessly borrowed money to pay for stuff they couldn't afford. Banks didn't force people to get 4 credits cards and max them out on large plasma TVs."

I find it interesting you do not write the banks recklessly lent money to people who could not afford it. People didn't force the banks to lend them money they could not repay.

freeluncher