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An English National Party

Scot | 25.11.2008 17:33 | Analysis | Anti-racism

Some posters have suggested addressing the "genuine concerns" of the people who join the BNP. I don't think that is an alternative to direct action, but it really can't hurt. Fascism is just mass sado-masochism and if you can't argue against that, you just can't argue.

As a Scottish anarchist this is mere speculation and suggestion. I believe in open migration and think in an anarchist society that would even itself out quickly. I admit that will mean everyone becoming poorer in terms of consumption, but richer in terms of personal liberty. I also believe migration is driven by inequalities, and that people from poor countries will inevitably head to richer countries like hot air and cold air circulate until the gap between rich and poor nations is closed. That is partly why so many Polish 'guest-workers' are returning to their homeland. Only by turning your nation into a fortress prison-state can you avoid that, and who wants to live in a prison? The rate of change is important, in weather it is the difference between a light breeze and a tornado. Sudden changes in local population always causes social strife, especially when incomers are ghettoised.

Recent high levels of migration to England were claimed to have raised population density above that of the Netherlands. If that is true, then England is too damn crowded but it does not follow that ethnic cleansing is the answer. A true nationalist would want to keep the best, most skilled and productive people whatever their background.

Immigration policy has been an attack on Britains poor by Britains rich. British workers expecting a living wage have been undercut by a cheaper foriegn workforce who cannot be blamed for trying to earn more for themselves than they could at home, exactly the same as British ex-pats do in the US or mid-east or Europe. This profits the rich in the UK and empoverishes the poor. As Jarvis Cocker put it:
"Now the working classes are obsolete,
They are surplus to societies needs,
So let ‘em all kill each other,
And get it made overseas."

England could not currently support it's population without exploiting third world resources. It is not self-sufficient in a sustainable manner. Most first-world countries can't - although interestingly Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland could.

The BNP critique of England cannot be taken at face value while they openly have nazis in their ranks and blatantly racist policies. As someone here said, it is a bunch of popular platitudes designed carefully to make the working class vote against their own interests. Many parts of it are meant to exploit establishment injustices (globalistation, precarcity of employment, opposition to overseas resource wars) that progressives here championed and popularised.
On top of our work, they add a false and hypocritical idea of patriotism that we were foolish to abandon, just to make their own racism more palatable. England has a lot to be proud of if only it could admit to it's crimes - or at least stop committing them. Perhaps the strongest patriotic English ideal is of successfully standing alone against the fascists in 1939. Admittedly that has been mythologised but it contains important truths. No patriotic Englishman would rub shoulders with a totenkopf fascist which means there are no patriotic Englishmen in the BNP hierarchy. Totenkopf Nazis slaughtered British prisoners. English history is a treasure-trove for progressives, from Magna Carta to Thomas Payne and on. You are good people who have done some awful things. Racism isn't just an English problem, it is a human problem.

In a few years Britain will be no more. If the subjectated Celts don't get independence in 2010 then they will sooner or later, devolution really is the "slippery-slope" it was predicted to be by unionists. That will be the death of UK-IP and of the BNP as it will be the death of the British state. The super-rich are getting super-richer. The middle-classes are finding private school-fees a squeeze. The poor are killing each other from lack of self worth while their equivalent overseas are starving to death for lack of food.

So, blame the champagne hypocrites or blame the lousy furry-ners ? It is my opinion that if there was a credible, non-racist English Nationalist Party then the membership of the BNP would be reduced solely to the mentally challenged.

Scot

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"if there was a credible, non-racist English Nationalist Party"

26.11.2008 00:11

Not being funny or anything, but isn't that what the Tories are?

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Conservative and Unionist vs British Fascisti

26.11.2008 02:41

Although it doesn't make it to the ballot, the Sunday name for Scottish Tories is 'Conservative and Unionist". A millenia of baggage.

What I meant was would'nt it be lovely to have an English National party similar to the Celtic National parties. I can guaranteee any non-racist English national movement would have widespread support from the rest of the UK and our various diaspora. That would silence the racism.

Scot


Tora Tora Tory

26.11.2008 02:58

The Conservative and Unionist party of Great Britain ?
I mean an independent English party that isn't racist, that is solely motivated by what is best for England as a nation.

I wouldn't and couldn't sign up for it myself but it seems like a good idea in the face of the current alternatives (British Fascisti or American Empire).

Scot


Jings! Crivens! Helpmaboab!

27.11.2008 11:54

"wouldn't it be lovely to have an English National party similar to the Celtic National parties."

The loveliness of this eludes me. It's the concept of nations, let alone their aggregation into empires, which needs tae gang oot the wundie. Nations are a very recent innovation in human history, developing out of our new-fangled habits of settlement and agriculture. They have been a complete failure and disaster, largely because they don't fit with the reality that homo sapiens is a migratory species.

OK, I'm arguing in evolutionary terms, but it's in those terms that nations have been catastrophic. Why our species has such enormous brains and much greater intellectual capacity than we seem to need is a mystery to me, but since it is the case we're ought to be clever enough to steer our own evolution. So let's see if we can start steering it positively out of the ecocidal pit of nations and borders, power, patriarchy, warlords and / or political parties.

No, I'm no sort of primitivist. We can't turn the clock back. It's the future we need to envision and try to create. The destructive petty politics of nations = no future. Obviously, we have to start where we are and be practical, but harking back to failed and dysfunctional wheezes such as nations will get us nowhere.

Stroppyoldgit


missing links

27.11.2008 16:44

Nationhood, national self-determination, seems to be a stage of development that societies have to go through. I wouldn't tell a Palestinian that they shouldn't have a Palestinian state. A non-racist English national party would undercut the BNP support, so while not an end in itself it would be an improvement. Nationalism is a lesser evil than racism and we do have to start where we are as you said.
Well done for arguing about the BNP into evolutionary terms without joking that the N stands for neanderthal.

scot