"Baby P" killers' details leaked all over the internet
anonymous | 22.11.2008 15:21 | Analysis | Other Press
Although a court order prevents the identification of the people convicted of killing the child known as "Baby P", their details have appeared all over the internet. A few Google searches will show hundreds of websites with this information.
I won't post the details here, because Indymedia will likely take them down or face legal repercussions, but it has been widely reported that their details are an open secret.
Indeed, a few minutes searching will show the names, addresses and photos of the killers, which are on websites and social networking sites located all round the world.
Many of them are the predictable knee-jerk ranting of right-wingers, but it is interesting how the whole concept of privacy is being eroded - first for the people who we think "good, it doesn't matter" - but later on for all of us.
I would be interested what people think of this - are they scum who deserve to be outed, or does the whole erosion of privacy make you feel uneasy? Is the mother being demonised and punished for the actions of her partner?
The social workers also come in for a lot of stick. They will probably be damned if they do and damned if they don't - either snatching kids off their parents, or leaving them there to be killed.
It is interesting as well that one of the killers was known for torturing and abusing animals in the past. It just goes to show that you can never really trust an animal abuser - even if they do it legally, like bloodsports enthusiasts, vivisectors, slaughtermen, etc.
Indeed, a few minutes searching will show the names, addresses and photos of the killers, which are on websites and social networking sites located all round the world.
Many of them are the predictable knee-jerk ranting of right-wingers, but it is interesting how the whole concept of privacy is being eroded - first for the people who we think "good, it doesn't matter" - but later on for all of us.
I would be interested what people think of this - are they scum who deserve to be outed, or does the whole erosion of privacy make you feel uneasy? Is the mother being demonised and punished for the actions of her partner?
The social workers also come in for a lot of stick. They will probably be damned if they do and damned if they don't - either snatching kids off their parents, or leaving them there to be killed.
It is interesting as well that one of the killers was known for torturing and abusing animals in the past. It just goes to show that you can never really trust an animal abuser - even if they do it legally, like bloodsports enthusiasts, vivisectors, slaughtermen, etc.
anonymous
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Why Be Anonymous
22.11.2008 16:37
George Coombs
Why does it matter that I don't give a real name?
22.11.2008 19:02
The question is interesting and valid irrespective of who asks it, isn't it?
It's a totally genuine question, I have no ulterior motives. I just like to explore the different issues that have to be weighed up. On one hand, we like to see "bad" people get their come-uppance. On the other hand, we don't want to live in a Big Brother world where privacy doesn't exist.
Even if I did put my real name, you most likely wouldn't know who I was. What if I put my name as "John Smith"? Would that make you happy? How do I know you are really George Coombs? I don't know you anyway, so it makes no difference to me.
Do you think I only posted this item to make the identities of the people involved more widely known? I think it's too late for that, considering how many other sites have the full details.
anonymous
Stolen identity
22.11.2008 23:30
George Coombs
bingo
23.11.2008 06:00
I think you answered your own question.
(another) anonymous
I think George Coombs meant I might be a cop
23.11.2008 12:09
When George Coombs said "why hide behind a screen name" [...] "police etc do intrude into this sight", I think he was implying I might be a cop posting undercover. What my motivation would be for doing so, I don't know.
Maybe he thinks there is a secret conspiracy amongst cops and prison officers to leak the identities on the internet? (I'm not a cop or similar, BTW, if you believe me)
anonymous
SPARTACUS!
23.11.2008 19:57
The Genuine George Coombs
Will the real George Coombs please stand up?
24.11.2008 06:09
While I understood the point of his post, I found it somewhat ironic that within sentences of one another he would demand to know why people choose to be anonymous, and then point out (in another context) that police read the site.
And I agree with your argument: the issue is not who is making a point, but what point is being made. Privacy is a right whose exercise should not entail suspicion from other activists.
(another) anonymous
What's your point?
25.11.2008 00:07
If you'd do your research and view the child welfare records, you'd see the year of abuse and maltreatment of this poor child, who had done nothing in the world to deserve it. She was in the system and could have given the child up for adoption but let's face reality... the cash from child allowance that she was getting from the state which allowed her indulge in her fave pastime, Bebo-ing and other scholarly research on parenting skills (I'm sure). Mind you, most of the pics of her are because of her own posting on social networks.
I'm not going to go further by bringing up the eye witness accounts of the malnourished baby eating dirt or even the professional photo of him with bruises and a black eye , weeks before his death. no, I won't go there cause it's enough to know that the poor soul is dead and according to medical records had undergone long term abuse.
So what that their faces, names and addresses are passed around by and throughout the public? So what? Why should taxpayers pay for their new identities and be given new lives when that poor baby will never get to live out his. He only knew horrors at the people who were meant to protect him from the world. He'll never have the chance to play and grow with mates, never have the chance to have his first crush, start his own family or discover the beauty in this world. His torturers could have given him to the state and he may have had that chance.
The system fails and when it does, the people should have the ability to stand up. Why should tax payers pay for yet another thing they don't agree in. These three are already get less than 14 years and in some cases less than 3 years, perhaps even 16 months for their brutality. This is not justice!
In ref to the social workers... they didn't do their job and should be fired. People who feck up an project/account are canned, even people who show up late for work at McDonalds get the axe. Social workers are entrusted with a most important duty and when they fall short, it's a matter of life or death. If they can't be arsed to be thorough in their work should go see if Starbucks are hiring.
I think you'd be surprised to know that most people that are disgusted and enraged by this are right-wingers- they are humanitarians. Leftism doesn't equate with non-violence. Best to read up on you world history.
I consider myself on the far left, don't believe in capital punishment but am a firm believer that you reap what you sow. They deserve an ass-whooping at the very least.....
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