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BNP membership list claims first blood

JohnC | 19.11.2008 16:35 | Anti-racism | Repression | Social Struggles | Liverpool

One down - lots to go

TalkSport DJ Rod Lucas is the first victim of the BNP membership list and more look set to follow. A police officer in Bootle is also under investigation. Look at this  http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/11/radio-dj-rod-lucas-axed-after-appearing.html

JohnC

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I see

19.11.2008 17:19

mmmm dismissed for holding a certain political view.

rocky road me thinks

just a thought

your rocky road to racism

19.11.2008 17:27

They not only held the view, they took active steps to become members of a racist party. How can they be fit for any kind of job which involves dealing with the people that they hate?

afterthought

To just a thought

19.11.2008 17:30

This isn't any old political view though is it? If my Asian child is being taught by a BNP teacher (not just 'holding certain views' but having signed up to the party) I want to know about it. If I'm black and being stopped by a BNP copper, I want to know about it.

v

wheres it stop

19.11.2008 17:52

I understand people wanting to know.

But, I think the point he is making is:
Could a policeman be put under investigation for being Muslim?
(because they may have strong feelings about drunken people and alcohol consumption)

Or could a policeman be put under investigation for being a member of, say, Greenpeace?
(because greenpeace activists regularly break the law)

I think we have to judge policeman on their individual merits, not by their political views.
A person isn't guilty by their thoughts, but by their actions (unless we bring in the thought police mentality of 1984)

D

metaphorical blood...

19.11.2008 17:53

... and there was me excited to read the title, oh well.

excited

BNP violence?

19.11.2008 18:56

More BNP violence and criminality shows that BNP is unfit for public office
 http://www.uaf.org.uk/news.asp?choice=70124

This is a publicity stunt by the BNP and their establishment supporters designed to make their views respectable. As the economy crisis that the power elite created gets worse, they hope that the victims will fight among themselves. There more racist attitudes are spread, the more likely this is.

It is working given the irrational views expressed in this thread:
‘But, I think the point he is making is:
Could a policeman be put under investigation for being Muslim?
(because they may have strong feelings about drunken people and alcohol consumption)’

How on Earth do you make sense of this comment? Since when is it a breach of police powers to arrest someone who is drunk in public?

Firstly, a person is a Muslim by birth and for most it is not a matter of choice. Joining the BNP is a matter of choice. Secondly, what on Earth does the comment on Muslims and alcohol have got to do with anything. This is a comment worthy of the BNP. Thirdly, the principles BNP members sign up to includes discriminating against people on the basis of their race. Would any black people received public subsidy to provide a general service if they also state that they would treat white people differently and unfavourably. If a black job candidate said he believes white people should be treated differently and unfavourably, would he get the job. No! No! No! No one would expect them to. Why is the BNP different?

Today, the BNP want to make out that they are the party of racial equality. If anyone believes that, they must be stupid.

There is a history of the extreme right circulating the address of anti-fascists in the hope that one of their members would attack that person. What is sauce for the Goose…

insidejob

localgibson.com/bnp/

19.11.2008 18:58

Check this out you lunatics for freedom

google map search

insidejob...

19.11.2008 19:46

insidejob,
Thanks for the link.... very shocking stuff.

I wasn't indicating police shouldn't arrest drunken disorderlys. I was indicating that all people have potential for prejudiced views that affect their ability to perform their chosen profession.

A clearer case in a similar vain to my orginal comment is what happened to a good friend of mine. He went to the Doctor's surgery with bad stomach pains (it is a surgery with 4 doctors). Amongst other things the doctor he saw asked "Have you been drinking recently?"..... yes..... "Then that is your answer to your pains". This is the exact words he then said (according to my friend): "And that is why Islam is better than Christianity" -- totally insane

Several days later he got worse and went to Casualty. It turned out he had an Appendicitis that was classed as an emergency.

Was the Doctor wrong? Or course he was.
Did he let his personal views affect his professional work? Yes he did.
Was my friend angry towards Islam afterwards? Yes he was actually, but we are all human
Did my friend complain afterwards? No, and he is an idiot for not doing so.
Should all Islam doctors be investigated? No, No, No, No, of course not.

A BNP policeman is a worrying thing. Perhaps deserving of investigation for being prejudiced to the extent that they do not perform their job correctly. But you can't say with absolute conviction a BNP-member policeman is racist. Perhaps he is just concerned about immigration levels, but that isn't racist. He doesn't write the racist propoganda. All it indicates is a 'smoking gun' and we all know how they can be drastically wrong sometimes.

Members of all parties are concerned about immigration. Its doesn't make them racist. You will never find a member of any group (BNP, Greenpeace, SNP, etc, etc) that ever agrees 100% with the party line (except the leader and his cronies)

If we go off half cocked in sacking people for holding certain views then most people will be out of a job before the week is out. Otherwise, where do you stop? Every policeman who is a member of Greenpeace should be sacked for supporting an organisation that promotes illegal activities?

Judge people on their individual merits rather than labelling them like cattle.

Before you ask. No I'm not a member of the BNP. I don't hold with their views. I do have concerns about unchecked immigration levels (whatever their race, creed, skin colour etc etc)


d

!!! Re: localgibson.com/bnp/

19.11.2008 20:07

Yes, well done for programming this database so quickly, but I have one slight concern:-

Why is it necessary to enter a full post code to get a list of local BNP members?

In theory, if you enter your OWN postcode it would make you identifiable as searching for local BNP members? Is this not dangerous too?

We do not know who "local gibson" is, or what their motives are.







What I am getting at here is that it is a 15 minute programming job to change your code so only the first 3 or 4 digits are needed. :)

Dodgy

Targeting the BNP is no solution

20.11.2008 09:03

It's not the socialist way to suggest BNP members are supporters are targeted. Whilst their ideas are noxious and abhorrent, they can never be countered by violence or the threat of it, regardless of the violence they (the BNP) are associated with, not least because they are a symptom of class society and the myriad social problems it throws up. The BNP can only be defeated on the battlefield of ideas . To argue the far right should be given no platform can only hint at the intellectual bankruptcy of the left and its inability to counter the arguments of groups like the BNP head on. Moreover, once you concede the state the right to shut down far right groups because of their odious ideas, you set a precedent and it takes no great leap of the imagination to envisage a time when the state seeks to close socialist and anarchist organisations.

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Re: wheres it end

20.11.2008 13:04

"I think we have to judge policeman on their individual merits, not by their political views."

I don't think serving police officers (or civil servants) are allowed to be a member of any political party. It keeps the executive part of the government seperate from the administrative - supposedly. The BNP just like to present it as if they are being singled out because that's how they play to their base - people with a persecution complex.

Think of it this way; would you want the Labour/Tory party to have influence over a police officer as a party member when he's supposed to be policing your protest against the party's policy as an impartial servant of the law?

They can still vote for whoever they please, they just can't be an active member of a political party.

MonkeyBot

Only BNP banned from the police

20.11.2008 14:03

Blunkett banned BNP police employees in Nov'03-Jan'04 so the concern for fascist job rights is belated - and wouldn't have arisen except for the leak. A total civil service ban was proposed but not progressed. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3669836.stm
The police would never hire anyone from many other groups too. I doubt there are many police officers to admit to supporting 'Class War' or the ALF, but these bans aren't codified.

"I think we have to judge policeman on their individual merits, not by their political views."

We have to judge everyone on their merits, but their political views contribute to their merits, especially when those views expose personality failings like racism. Some daft kid or befuddled pensioner on the list is 'to be pitied not scolded' but any activist though is the same type of cancer cell that ruined Europe 70 years ago, and which could reoccur quickly in the coming financial depression.




ex

TO MONKEY BOOT

20.11.2008 22:07

lods of the members will be so scared and feel so much pression that they will think twice before even think how to be racist ....i think for louds of that fukers this is a huge lesson how to live in fear ....and if they get targeted by anti fascists even more they will start thinking that the way of being a racist fuker isn t the correct ...sametimes u need to try your own poison to know the reaction .........hopefully they will realize they are simple people with stupid ideas inside ...........anti fascist now and always

ANON

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This one

21.11.2008 13:00

Mr Matt Timson
37 Silken Court;Nuneaton;Warwickshire;
CV11 5NN 02476 382819
07702 110003
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ACTIVIST
Was 20392
(06) Aerospace engineering

Drinks in the Nags Head and Crew pubs, Queens Road Nuneaton wearing a tassled leather jacket, has long wavy hair and a big fuck off beergut and can be quite often heard bellowing his racist viewpoints loudkly at anyone in his immediate vicinity when drunk.

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22.11.2008 15:55

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24.11.2008 14:06

This one

Mr. Matt Timson
37, Silken Court, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV11 5NN (off Marlborough Road)
02476 382819

07702 110003

 admin@binarychaos.co.uk

Activist. (!!!)
Was 20392 (06) Aerospace engineering

Drinks at The Crew Pub, Queens Road, Nuneaton, The Crown Inn, Bond Gate Nuneaton and possible the Nag's Head Nuneaton and wears a tassled leather jacket, has long wavy light brown hair, a beer gut and is medium height/stocky build.

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