Lie on The Russian Indy
Creperum | 27.10.2008 18:16 | Social Struggles
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27.10.2008 18:35
http://www.hippy.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=20546#p20546
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Olga Rukosyla http://chtodelat.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/rukosyla/
28.10.2008 01:12
Indymedia & a jewish human rights organisation mention Olga in reports wth long descriptions & photos & its a 100%fact 100s of people are being murdered by nazis in Russia every year.
"in any particular city there aren’t so many Nazis. That means their acquaintances killed Olga. And it was those same acquaintances, and, perhaps, Boomer and Def themselves, who killed Ilya Borodaenko during the attack on the ecological camp near Angarsk in July 2007."
In 2004 a nine-year old Tajik girl has been stabbed to death in the Russian city of St Petersburg by suspected skinheads.
Nothing has been mentioned on mainstream news here or in Russia, we need to double check & make sure justice is done, crazy when you think most Russians are related to the mongols
http://globalcomment.com/author/nvantonova/
http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/102408BM.shtml
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2008/10/03/russian-neo-nazi-gang-admits-20-murders-86908-20768807/
Nothing about fascist murder in Russia on BBC since a minor story in June.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7482125.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4755163.stm
Putin made strong statements against murder in 2006 victory parade against nazis, but Amnesty International & other human rights bodies say Russia is increasingly ignoring nazi murders&
"Putin’s father fought for Nazis as a double agent "In 2003, Polish media reported that KGB defector Victor Suvorov (Vladimir Rizun) found documents in the UK proving Putins father was a ex KGB agent who fought for the Nazi Russian General Vaslov.
forum.pravda.com.ua/read.php?9,202737066
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can you give us some more details?
29.10.2008 00:43
Who is the girl in the pictures, if it isn't who is claimed?
Who are the people you say made up this story, and what is their motivation for doing so?
Why would someone claim someone was killed when they weren't?
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Link to another source
30.10.2008 18:20
In the view of that in foreign countries and cities in Russia are continued actions of memory Ol’gy Rukosyly, mind it is needed to notice that nobody has given us any conclusive evidence about existence and death of this girl. We ask not to realize actions of memory and excuse us for so long quiet on this term.
Independent activists of Moscow, Samara, Bryansk, Chelyabinsk, Kirov, Voronej, Kiev, Perm
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/10/411906.html
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seems to have been reported on jewish.ru originally?
30.10.2008 21:34
http://www.fsumonitor.com/stories/102408BM.shtml
Could a motivation for people denying it happened be anti-semitism? Nazis are fond of historical revisionism!
I can't think of why anyone would say it happened when it didn't.
very strange.
confused
contradictions
02.11.2008 02:22
Then I found a lot of articles referring to this first one. They were mostly Russian-nationalist, on nearly every one of them I saw some propaganda for the upcoming "Russian marches" on November 4 (national holiday, introduced by Putin in order to replace November 7, when the October revolution used to be celebrated). In some blogs they speculated that "Rukosyla" should be a Ukrainian name, so it be a propaganda lie to tell Ukrainians that a Ukrainian girl was murdered in Russia, and to have a pretext to ban the "Russian marches" in Ukraine. (There seems to have been a recent case in Ukraine, where a Russian girl named Anna was murdered, and they are talking about somebody's wish to "neutralize" this "Anna" case with the "Olga" fake.) Others translate the name literally to English, then it's "Armstrong" and they construct another conspiracy theory with Terry Pratchett stories which I don't know.
So what do we have? Principally two contradicting stories which we cannot verify at first hand - who knows if even this East-Siberian Pravda exists?!? I try to establish some connection to Irkutsk anarchists but I'm afraid even when I succeed the result will be just another rumour.
Apart from that, I would be very glad to hear that at least this girl on the photos was NOT murdered. There have been so many confirmed murders in Russia where there is no doubt at all, like only recently this Moscow SHARP Fedyay Filatov...
By the way, if the news was on some site on October 17, it was not the original source, because here: http://ru.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21038/index.php you have an article on Russian indymedia already from October 16. At least THIS ONE you can verify yourself.
Finally, let me mention that I'm not Russian, so maybe I made some mistakes in my translations (and I did not get the point in the "Armstrong" version of the story) and if you find them, feel free to add corrections.
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another version
02.11.2008 19:01
Now there's three points about this one: Of course there are nazis in Irkutsk, last summer they attacked this eco-camp in Angarsk and killed Ilya Borodayenko (funny that an environment activist should not know that). Second, for punks there might be a big difference between a punk and an emo, yet for any nazi on the streets it's nothing. And third, it's so common that police call any arrested violent fascist a drunk thug without any political background, even when he's tattooed with swastikas from the neck to the ankles and has his whole flat full of nazi propaganda material.
In a nutshell: if you ask me what you should think about this, I don't have a clue.
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