what a pitiful shit. how naive to be to think this 'protest' is not making politicians and capitalists laugh. does it change anything? or is there any anger shown at least? if so, then where are smashed banks and burning cars? its pathetic . this country will be extreme police state and lower classes will drown in drugs, fear, hunger and failure. cos its britain and people here already became slaves of their own mental sickness. they will never take you seriously if its like that. call me negative call me what you want you are nothing never was never will.

Why don't you go off and burn banks and stop saying what people should be doing or are you another rich-kid greek anarcho?

Blimmey... why do you bother writting those tedious pointless negative comments? In fact why do you even come and read stuff on indymedia?

You clearly weren't there and don't know shit.

While we were demonstrating the climate change deniers were at work on this thread- about the Climate Rush:

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/oct/13/climatechange-kingsnorth?commentpage=1

go forth and redress the balance....

So this was a protest about climate change? Well if that's true, why didn't I see one Animal Rights banner? I imagine the vast majority of the protesters eat meat, eggs & dairy products!? Those who're non Vegan are of the worst polluters of the climate!!!

Being vegan you consume 16 times less energy from the earth than a meat eater, for instance wheat production requires 120 litres of water per kg and beef 3,700 litres per kg. Every year UK farmers spread about 80 million tonnes of animal manure and other farm waste on to the land as fertiliser. Much of this runs off into nearby rivers and streams, endangering the health of fish while polluting the water they live in, and harming other wildlife in the area too!

The UN Water Assessment Programme states: "At the beginning of the twenty-first century, the Earth, with its diverse and abundant life forms, including over six billion humans, is facing a serious water crisis." Worldwide, agriculture uses up 70% of fresh water resources.


Take a look at this great website:  http://www.davegancode.org.uk/


If you care about the planet & climate change - make the change or be a hypocrite!

The theory that global warming is caused by the burning of fossil fuels is not true. Watch the great global warming swindle documentary here:  http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/blancostemrecht/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle_Documentary_Film.aspx

veganfortheworld, don't be so presumptous about people's diets. Don't you think people have thought about it a wee bit before getting out of their armchairs?! And yes being vegan is important in terms of contribution to the climate crisis, but to say non-vegans are the worst polluters is to let your emotions about animal rights dictate that you are saying that someone could fly on holiday to Spain throughout the year, drive a 4x4, go on shopping trips to New York, and that would not be the worst as long as they were vegan. Don't you use veganism as an excuse for taking holidays by plane, if indeed you do!

And for Poster - don't bother watching it unless you want to stick your head in the sandand ignore the 150,000 dying already each year (according to World Health Organisation) and the predictions of 2,000+ scientists through the UN's International Panel on Climate Change. If you want to go fully into denial, then believe the few scientists going against the consensus and funded by the oil industry. The programme you were talking about was made by ex-Revolutionary Communist Party types with a very fucked up agenda, who made a programme a bit ago that said because Hitler was vegetarian then all environmentalists were fascists. If that's your level of argument, then go play with yourself somewhere else!

These comments are so amazingly crap - what has indymedia become? Look at this thread, bullshit disinfo from climate change deniers pushing a discredited bullshit 'documentary' and armchair 'activists' slagging off those who got off their arses and storm parliament over the most important issue of our times. Incrediable!

Thanks for the photos but frankly I don't know why you bother - indymedia is dead.

Of course I am Vegan.... I don't own a car, I don't fly abroad & if I go I travel by coach, ferry, etc.
I am anti consumerist & think nothing about dumpster diving for food, I also don't own a dish washer, washing machine or anything 'up-to-date', the huge majority of my possessions are 2nd hand or older including the clothes I wear!

What annoys me greatly are those who are blinkered, who think if they protest against climate change they have done their 'bit' for the world, not thinking that the way they live is damaging the environment a great deal, including the animals that are suffering & dying because of their choices!!!

> So this was a protest about climate change? Well if that's true, why didn't
> I see one Animal Rights banner?

Because it was a protest about climate change?

> I imagine the vast majority of the protesters eat meat, eggs & dairy products!?

Why? How can you tell?

> Those who're non Vegan are of the worst polluters of the climate!!!

Mmm, no. Rice is the second biggest source of anthropogenic methane, vegans eating rice are among the worst polluters, certainly worse than those who only eat local meat and veg.

"Of course I am Vegan.... I don't own a car, I don't fly abroad & if I go I travel by coach, ferry, etc.
I am anti consumerist & think nothing about dumpster diving for food, I also don't own a dish washer, washing machine or anything 'up-to-date', the huge majority of my possessions are 2nd hand or older including the clothes I wear! "

You're also a puritanical snob, well done!


"Being vegan you consume 16 times less energy from the earth than a meat eater, for instance wheat production requires 120 litres of water per kg and beef 3,700 litres per kg."

Did you take account of the fact that beef is a far denser source of protein than wheat? Or that a cow is basically a machine for turning grass (which we can't eat) into meat (which we can)? Or how about the fact that animals are often reared in areas which are simply not suitable for growing crops - try wheat farming in the Brecon Beacons and then tell me that it's more efficient than sheep farming.


@ Poster
You do know that the guy who made that has something of a history in making wildly innacurate claims, right? You could also have mentioned the fact that the very scientists he uses to support his ideas in his film are suing him for misrepresenting their position.

Ain't gonna say what i do , where i'm from and how poor i am , fool ! I wouldn't join this demo cos people look like fuckin poultry farmers and bankers. I agree with Veganfortheworld -meat and dairy eaters who claim to be environmental activists are just hypocrites. I'm not going to attack the banks in uk or any structure because there is literally too few real comrades to do it with. And at last-who is armchair warrior? Just look at length of last few comments. Fuckin gits.

It causes more greenhouse gases than cars and trucks – in fact the whole of transport combined. Avoiding it, scientists say, is better than converting to an Eco-friendly car, yet it seldom attracts a high level of attention. What’s more it’s something most of us contribute toward regularly. So what is it? It’s animal agriculture. When one tucks in to a bit of beef, ones climate change ‘meat footprint’ becomes very much part of the problem.

According to the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations animal agriculture creates 65 percent of human-related nitrous oxide with a massive 296 times the Global warming Potential of CO2!

"Refusing meat", says the Live Earth handbook is the "single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint."

While Environmental Defence, says that if all Americans removed a single meal of chicken a week substituting it with vegetarian produce, the saved carbon dioxide would equate to the same as removing over half a million cars from US roads.

And the folks over at The University of Chicago say switching over to a plant based (vegan) diet is 50% better than changing to a hybrid car in reducing the emissions from greenhouse gases.

We truly do have a chance to make an impact on our Carbon Footprint by cutting out animal products from our diets. According to a an article in the New Scientist the simple act of cutting animal products from ones diet is better than switching to a Eco-friendly car, based on a typical US diet.

Reducing your ‘Meat Footprint’ is a simple step you can make for the environment. Take action today and share this page with friends and family.

Beyond climate change, the livestock industry is one of the most dangerous sectors when it comes to the world’s water supply creating water pollution and damaging coral reefs. The livestock industry is also responsible for rainforest destruction, and Eco system problems.

The Guardian Newspaper reported in an article entitled ‘Meat-eaters soak up the world’s water’ in 2004 how agriculture scientists say Governments might have to persuade people to reduce there meat consumption because of the demand on water supplies.

The article notes that on average it takes 1,790 litres of water for a kilogram of wheat, but a massive 9,680 for a kilogram of beef.

The rainforest is destroyed to grow Soya that is fed to livestock. Whilst Soya is normally associated with non-meat diets the fact is that according to Greenpeace’s “Eating Up The Amazons” a massive 80% of the earth’s soy crop is used to feed farmed animals. Indeed Soya for US veggie products is often grown within the country not in the Amazon.

Something the mainstream does acknowledge is food miles, yet surprisingly The New Scientist magazine in an article entitled ‘Food miles don’t feed climate change – meat does’ reports on research showing that transport plays a relatively tiny roll compared with the impact of products such as beef and dairy.

That’s not to say ‘don’t buy local’, just think about what exactly you are buying locally. If you eat locally grown veggies that’s brilliant. If it’s a bit of beef maybe it would have been better to get a non-animal product from further away.

If you are an environmentalist then there are simple steps you can take to reduce your ‘Meat Footprint’ – replacing animal products in meals, having a ‘vegan’ day in the week, choosing the ‘veggie’ option when dining out.

You can make a real change by making the simple step over to a ‘vegetarian’ or ‘vegan’ diet. It’s really not as hard as you think and I’m on hand to help if you need it. Just get in contact and I’ll do what I can.

Please do add this page to your friends and think about the information this page contains. You have read the information now it’s in your hands.

Regards,

The Climate & Food Project

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