11/5? With any luck, some of you orange-clad muppets will end up on the Lewes bonfire.

This is a good idea, why the daft comment from spoiler I know not. Obviously he/she is a stranger, ain't from around these parts. unless or until there is a post-capitalist & revolutionary change in the calendar 5.11 is the correct way of stating the date in question in this neck of the woods. just as sept 11th should be 11/9. and don't you dare diss the anti-gitmo crew! What made you so freakin self-righteous. did you ever imagine what it is like to be kidnapped by the capitalist state and held in a dungeon, tortured and beaten? get out of the movement if that is what you really think you don't belong here. and if it isn't what you think, then why not start being constructive, look for ways to join up opportunities instead of spitting in pot-holes in the road to hasta victoria.

there would be no terror threats if goverments did not cause wars for gain oil ect funny though we had the ira giving uk greif .money supplied by america .as soon as america wnt oil from iraq .9/11 no doubt created another terror starts alquida .the ira stop . now from a terrorist point of view .you dont stop when another terror group starts .as the country england was at full stretch .and defences weakened usually whie your long battle with your enamy is stretched you step your opperations up not stop.terror is created by goverments .terrorists ear people whose families are threatened and the country they love america has missile bases around all countries where ther is something for gain not countries where we have calous men like magabee murdering the innocent /it seems to me now we are controlled by america .thats not for ne its a corrupt society .theyve missiles around allthey want /even russia as for the police we all know menzies was murdered ..there is no excuse for it the man was on the floor no chance of doing anything .ill tell you the police are trigger happy ./.how do i know .i had the verry first .gun seize with derby tacticle firarms team / i took the piss 12 hours .but i got the press and central tv there /i was told differnt proceedures by the inspector .but i thought it out time to come out on my terms i had phone on to news team .one cop was head trying to change the plans arranged by officer in charge ,to change my direction /when i refued he said hed shoot me ..i said its ok my mobile was on direct to news room on tv .his bottle went he set the dogs on me instead .no charges were brough as id not committed a crime ./just like menzies and maby more /.derby telegraph .storm in a tea cup /.as i said to police /im not coming out id sooner have a cup of tea and played records to them i shot the sherrif ./ and gun fight at ok coral .that was a good night for me ftl

some of thos orange clads imprisoned by yanks only defended thier homes wives and children .your probbaly a muppet who believes all on tv and what goverments brainwash you to believe wake up to a real world of greed .make the rich richer and the poor poorer /terrorism is created by goverments 9/11 a farce gorgia against russia another american plan to surround russia and intimedate them and all oil arab states are surrounded by american missiles why oil /magarbee murders ./no america to help why./nothing there for gain .a fruitless war the i r a bombed england money came from america ,.they only stopped when we invaded iraq why ??america .?? its the americans .they want to rule .menzieswas murdered /.how many more .the men in orange could be innocent .where is the fisticous bin laden .another character created in americas dreams to rule pete

5/11 :-) this year is actually a great date to do something for civil liberties in the UK for a number of reasons:
1 - the American presidential elections are being held on the 4th and since we in the 51th state are a few hours ahead of the rest of our ex-colony, we'll only find out who our new president is the next day (if we're lucky and Florida doesn't mess up again!) - talk about democracy: we're invited/forced into the media circus tent but not allowed to even vote for our presidential pop idol.
2 - about this time (mid-October onwards), the House of Lords will be debating the Counter-Terrorism Bill 2008, the latest in a string of regular civil-liberties-busting legislation - it's about far more than 42 or 28 days or a 1001 nights and is a threat to us all (and more importantly, our freedom). Let's celebrate our dwindling freedoms while we're still allowed to...
3 - everyday is a good day to remind the world about the parallel world of dark prisons and secret detention, torture and kidnap that goes on everywhere everyday just so that our governments and their corporate chums can make huge profits from torture flights, a Starbucks at GTMO and raping the world of its resources all the while justifying the need for ASBOs, longer pre-charge detention, more and more surveillance, lack of transparency on the grounds of "national security", etc., etc.
4 - Orange jumpsuits keep you warm and make you stand out on a dark night. You can borrow some from Amnesty International.

Reclaiming the calendar and memorable dates? Let's reclaim our language too and render it back unto ourselves - you'd have to be pretty daft (or comatose) to still not know who the real terrorists are.

Suggest media action at BBC / Channel 4 HQ..

Good thinking hung on the wrong hook here.

Guy Fawkes was a far-right catholic reactionary who'd spent much of his life as a mercenary / hired assassin for various very nasty despots, actual or aspiring, in various parts of Europe. He belongs in the same box as the right-wing paramilitaries in Colombia, the Contras in Nicaragua or the fascists who bombed the station in Italy. He'd have been particularly comfortable in Franco's army and would probably have found Opus Dei a bit too liberal for his taste.

Why on earth do people fetishise or make a hero out of this repulsive piece of shit? He was brought in as a military and explosives expert and "hard man" by a bunch of reactionaries who wished, for idealogical reasons, to replace one repressive regime with an even bloodier and more vindictive one.

An incompetent bunch, too. Once Fawkes had been arrested and the king's forces were closing in on the rest of them, they decided to make a last stand at the stately pile of one of their number. The only problem was their powder was damp, so they couldn't use their firearms. Then they had the brilliant wheeze of spreading it out round the fire to dry out. What happened next? See next week's thrilling episode.

Suffice it to say the king's lot were saved a lot of trouble and were able to go down the pub instead.

Right-wing thugs seem to have been as dim then as they are now.