Can you photograph a bouncer who is being aggressive?
Hamish Campbell | 14.07.2008 11:27 | Free Spaces | Repression | Social Struggles | Oxford
A number of people had complained about the aggressive and threatening behaver of the security guards at EOCC employed during the Cowley Road Carnival this year.
When a member of the public attempted to photograph this behaver the bouncers created a fracas which lead to Green Party Councilor Mary-Jane Sareva who was running the security to be responsible for the police arresting of two people on false charges.
You can watch a video of what happened here: http://visionontv.net/
A direct download of the film is available here fro offline viewing:
http://blip.tv/file/get/Undercurrents-CanYouPhotographABouncerWhoIsBeingAggressive250.avi
You can watch a video of what happened here: http://visionontv.net/
A direct download of the film is available here fro offline viewing:
http://blip.tv/file/get/Undercurrents-CanYouPhotographABouncerWhoIsBeingAggressive250.avi
Hamish Campbell
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hamish@undercurrents.org
Homepage:
http://hamishcampbell.com
Additions
related reports
15.07.2008 23:20
full reports are here:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/402956.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/403456.html
background is here:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/403458.html
..and the video is on the Grassroots channel of VisionOnTV.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/402956.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/403456.html
background is here:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/403458.html
..and the video is on the Grassroots channel of VisionOnTV.
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Who are Hawk Security UK Limited?
14.07.2008 19:29
According to company records (found on BvDEP's FAME database which mirrors Companies House information), this company failed to submit any accounts to Companies House in 2007. Further, the company is listed as 'dormant' on both FAME and on the Companies House website.
So what is a 'dormant' company? According to the government's Business Link, it's '[a] company or limited liability partnership (LLP) is dormant if it has had no "significant" accounting transactions during a financial year.' Seeing as Hawk were quite active in the securitisation of the social club in both 2007 and 2008, this is concerning. So, were Hawk really a 'dormant' company during 2007? Whatever, the full definition on what a 'dormant company' can and cannot do, and penalties for late returns etc., can be seen here: http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/gbhtml/gba10.shtml
Now, I certainly do not wish to allege that Hawk are undertaking any fraudulent activity; the company filed a return on the 10th Jan 2008. But if anyone fancied asking the directors for: further information about Hawk's running; its employees' activities; whether the company is registered with the Security Industry Authority (SIA) who are responsible for 'the licensing of the private security industry' etc., then they are: Mr Augustus Mitchell (Executive Director) and Mr Marivic G Flores (Director Secretary and Company Secretary). Both men own the company, and are the shareholders, in a 50-50 split.
HAWK SECURITY UK LIMITED (registered company number:05328241)
24 Hubble Close
OXFORD
OX3 9BS
Its other trading address is:
6 Gaisford Road
Oxford
OX4 3LQ
REFERENCES AND FURTHER INFO:
* FAME database on http://www.bvdep.com/en/companyInformationHome.html (if you have an Athens account, you can access information for free - or there's a free trial on bvdep.com).
* Companies House - Check out a company through: http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk/
* Business Link - http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1073791918
* SIA http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home
* 192.com: http://www.192.com/local/OXFORD/SECURITY/HAWK_SECURITY_UK_LTD/X6B7F605EB01A4900B10F202C71DC7381
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There are always 2 sides to every story!
17.07.2008 16:49
What ever reason these people had tfor their behaviour it was completely unacceptable. The security staff did the right thing to exclude these people at that time.
This was carnival time not a time to try and make a point in such an agressive manner. I did not go to the after party at the centre as I did not want to be in the mddle of this mob. No one has the right to behave like they did.
The security staff should be commended for their calm, response to the behaviour of the mob.
The police I believe arrested 2 people who were there in the middle of the mayhem from what I saw they would not calm down.
The carnival last year run under the old Social Club was ok except 2 men tried to bottle each other. At least one of the security staff were the same ones that stopped that incident having muderous conciquences.
The mob I am told rent a room in the community centre, they really should have more respect for other people in the building and events going on.
I would urge the mangement organisation of the community centre to deal with this group.
Jason
there are many sides to any story...
17.07.2008 22:59
First of all, for anyone who isn't sure which version to believe, watching the video is a good place to start:
http://blip.tv/file/get/Undercurrents-CanYouPhotographABouncerWhoIsBeingAggressive250.avi
unfortunately, because the bouncers kept bashing and twisting the camera, we didn't manage to record everything, but it gives you an idea of how things were.
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> When I passed East Oxford Community Centre on the day of the carnival, as the carnival
> was closing I saw a mob of people dressed in khaki green trying to intimidate the security staff.
We weren't wearing 'khaki green'. That's bollocks. We were a group of about 5 people, and had maybe one or two green (not khaki patterned) items of clothes between all of us. We were having an (admittedly heated) argument with the staff because they had arbitrarily decided not to let us into the building.
In what sense would you say our behaviour was intimidating?
> There was a scuffle and some people seemed to be excluded.
There was some pushing after I tried to get into the building. I did this by trying to run through a gap, not by attacking anyone. There was also a struggle to try to stop the door staff breaking someone's camera. Both of these happened after we had been denied access to the building. Your choice of wording makes it sounds as if the 'scuffle' was the reason for us being denied access, which was not the case at all.
> What ever reason these people had tfor their behaviour it was completely unacceptable.
> The security staff did the right thing to exclude these people at that time.
What were we doing that was so unacceptable? Trying to stop an aggressive bouncer breaking someone's camera by trying to remove his hand? Trying to squeeze past into a building we not only have every right to go into but have actually been involved in constructively for many years? Arguing with them rather than accept their right to exclude us?
> This was carnival time not a time to try and make a point in such an agressive manner.
Of course, we could have chosen to leave rather than argue the point. Some of the unpleasantness would have been avoided by doing so. But it also would have allowed the bullies to go unchallenged. What you need to understand is that this is not the first time Mary-Jane and her security friends have done this kind of thing:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/07/403458.html
We felt it was important to stay and insist on our right to be allowed in. Some might disagree - fair enough - but even if you think arguing our case was the wrong thing to do it certainly wasn't aggressive or intimidating!
> I did not go to the after party at the centre as I did not want to be in the mddle of this mob.
Well, many people continued to go into the building while the incident was going on, so obviously not everyone felt the same as you. Several people actually commented during the day that they didn't go in because they found the *door staff* intimidating.
> No one has the right to behave like they did.
Again, please specify what the unacceptable behaviour was. Is disagreeing vocally with the door staff such a crime?
> The security staff should be commended for their calm, response to the behaviour of the mob.
This is complete bollocks. They were not calm in the least. At one point one even yelled at me 'get back or I'll kill you, I'll kill you'. Does that sound like calm behaviour to you?
> The police I believe arrested 2 people who were there in the middle of the mayhem from what I saw they would not calm down.
This is also rubbish. The people arrested were in fact fairly calm at the time of their arrest. This can be seen clearly in the video. It can also be clearly seen that they were both arrested on the advice of Mary-Jane Sareva, who pointed them out to the police.
> The carnival last year run under the old Social Club was ok except 2 men tried to
> bottle each other. At least one of the security staff were the same ones that stopped
> that incident having muderous conciquences.
I agree that some of the door staff have indeed done some good work in the past. That doesn't change the fact that how they acted on this particular day was out of order.
> The mob I am told rent a room in the community centre, they really should have
> more respect for other people in the building and events going on.
> I would urge the mangement organisation of the community centre to deal with this group.
If you are referring to OARC, I believe most of the other community centre regulars would agree that we have always been friendly and helpful and have contributed in many ways to EOCC, just as other groups have. We are more than happy to do so; it's part of being in a community!
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security may not have been Hawk
21.07.2008 17:02
Although several of the door staff involved were the same ones that have been witnessed on many previous occasions working for Hawk, it's possible that on this occasion they were either working freelance or that Mary-Jane may have her own security company. Investigations are ongoing.
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flying their colours
25.07.2008 22:22
Green is an appropriate colour - they are pondlife. They are scum.
davidmurray
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disagree with david
26.07.2008 00:17
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What is the Green Party trying to do ?
26.07.2008 00:55
I don't think influential Greens should condone letting down car tyres either, not even the tyres of big cars.
None of this will win them votes. If the East Oxford Community Centre incident had happened in Africa or Asia or Moscow, their parliamentary candidate would be trying to get himself arrested over there in protest. Charity begins at home. Sometimes there is a tendency for the Green élite to assume that they can do no wrong, only the rest of us can do wrong.It can be very close to religious zeal.
R
Belfast and William III more important
29.07.2008 01:13
R.