An Open Letter to the Camp for Climate Action
David Douglass | 11.07.2008 11:50 | Climate Camp 2008 | Climate Chaos | Ecology | Workers' Movements | London
Firstly thank you for contacting me. I'm hopping mad about what I've
heard, but I may not have been told the whole story. I can tell you too
the mining community whats left of us feel utterly betrayed by rumours
about you swinging all your efforts to close down what remains of the coal
industry. There are debates about counter-demonstrations etc and press
statements from the power workers and miners. So its vital we do not take
up cudgels over this unless and until and at least that we know where each
other stand. I was a matter of interest with the National General
secretary of the NUM and the Yorkshire Area Leadership last weekend and
they are spitting feathers about the Drax demonstration. The slogans on
the demonstration and the statements made to the press by the protestsrs
demonstrated no concern for the miners, railway workers or power workers.
There was no consultation with us, no debate with us, no seeing what we
wanted or how we see the world or how we can see if there is anything is
common. 'Leave It In The Ground' was the banner which was unfurled at
Drax, 'it' being the coal, and the miners ? where do we leave them ? that
bit wasn't answered. We know where John Major and Maggie Thatcher and
Harold Wilson left us, on the dung heap, and most of us are still there.
'clean coal technology stations'. Yes the technology exists and had done
since the 50s but nobody was interested in applying it. There are at least
two methods, but the latest one is carbon capture, thats not the end of
the story but here isn't the place to elaborate. Enough to say its not a
con, it does produce massive savings in CO2 emissions, plus the bi product
of the Hatfield Main system is hydrogen and energy conservation. Which are
added bonuses on the carbon capture.
Secondly we want to see international ('fair trade' if you like )
standards applied to all imported coal and a level playing field in terms
of health and safety, conditions, hours and union recognition . Countries
with mass slaughter in the collieries should not be allowed to dump coal
here at the expense of workers in their countries and unemployment for
miners here.
65 million Tonnes of coal is burned in Britain each year only about 18
million of it is mined here, despite the fact that British coal is the
cheapest deep mined coal in the world. It is brought here in part because
rather than fit wipers and efficient filters to all power stations, they
import coal which produces less sulphur and ash and carbon when burned.
Instead they burn the miners at source.
There is about 500 years of coal in Britain, it can provide a breathing
space, to develop renewable sources, certainly solar, yes tidal, though
not destructive wind estates which are laying siege to the bits of free
land and crags and moorland we have left.
The governments main plan is and always been to make Britain Nuclear
dependant. That is why they closed down the mines in the first place.
Climate Camp must be very careful not to cross on the wrong side of the
barricade on this issue. Not to be used to promote Nuclear energy by
making the biggest focus coal .
The spokesperson at Drax this month said there was NO PLACE for coal in
Britain's energy supply ! Thats fairly final. The impact of that
statement, coming as it does with a middle class voice and total
indifference to the situation in the coal communities, is unlikely to
strike any cords this side of the tracks.
I understand you intend to shut down Kingsnorth Power Station in August. I
don't know this station in particular but I was informed this was a
station which was using clean coal technology ? Is that not right ?
whether it is or not we have to ask why coal ?.
Coal is not the biggest producer of CO2 its about the fourth and thats
with unfettered uncontrolled emissions from the third world in particular.
It could be massively reduced by demanding all coal which comes here meets
minimum standards of health and safety and union rights. That the
exporting countries themselves adopt clean coal technologies. Such a
tighter focus would be entirely more credible and principled than simply
saying 'close down all coal power stations, don't build new ones, and
exterminate the last of the miners and their communities'.
I cant say I'm keen on entering the lions den of the Climate Camp as a
former miners leader and life long coal miner. I'm tempted to say I think
we speak differant languages. However I shall pencil this is my calender
and see if I can attend along with any of the NUM leadership in order that
we can put our point view across and hopefully get you to adopt a more
balanced approach to the question of power generation and working class
expectations and demands.
You have my permission to put this letter on the website.
The World For The Workers
David Douglass
NUM
David Douglass
Additions
Please come and discuss further
11.07.2008 14:09
I see no reason why this could not be possible and feel you should remain in contact with the climate camp through the website and organise to be part of such a debate.
It is a world that we all must live in and we need to seek solutions together.
Without such solutions to the problems of accelerating climate change none of us will have a planet capable of supporting life.
ccer
Why Kingsnorth?
11.07.2008 14:45
Here’s our top 10 reasons for not building Kingsnorth, or burning coal or digging it up or well, doing pretty much anything with it other than leaving it in the ground. You don't have to read them all. Any one will give you reason enough to join us this summer. A new power station at Kingsnorth really is that daft.
1. Let's build a coal-fired power station!
If built, Kingsnorth will emit between 6 and 8 million tons of CO2 every year. That’s a hell of a lot of CO2, more even than the proposed third runway at Heathrow would produce. Scientists are usually a fairly reserved bunch but even they are starting to sound frantic about what’s happening with the climate. That’s not surprising given that, if we carry on treating the planet like a cheap boil in the bag dinner, we risk causing catastrophic climate change. That’s probably a bad idea. To avoid it we need to rapidly reduce emissions. So, in a world where we respect the ecology of the planet and the lives of those whose home it is, no Kingsnorth.
2. Kingsnorth is just the beginning. Six other similar power stations are planned.
How do you multiply stupid? We're not sure, but that’s what the power utilities want to do. Unless there’s a big fight over Kingsnorth these companies, with the backing of Government, want to build six more atmosphere-crunching coal fired power stations in the next few years. Collectively these power stations would emit around 50 million tons of CO2 a year. It’s hard to understand such a callous disregard for your fellow humans but if you want to, start by following the money. Power stations make lots of it and, given the amount of coal around, they're a ‘safe’ long term investment. It’s an age-old story but the ending isn’t written yet.
What happens at Kingsnorth is vitally important. When people get together determined to make the world a better place there is history-making potential. Look at the Suffragettes, the struggle for workers rights, the anti-roads movement. Kingsnorth can and will be stopped if enough of us get together to make it happen.
3. Because coal is the most polluting fossil fuel.
Coal was a really cool idea for the convenient long term storage of a load rotting prehistoric forests but burning it to make electricity is a monumentally bad one. It might have made sense at the beginning of the industrial revolution but then so did child labor, slavery and woolen swimming trunks. Now we know burning coal is wrecking the climate. Of CO2 in the atmosphere from human activity around 50% has come from the burning of coal. Mainly this is from Western nations who industrialized first.
Today burning coal is responsible for around one quarter of our global CO2 emissions. One of the great challenges for this generation is to find ways of living on this planet whilst leaving fossil fuels (especially coal) in the ground. We are quite literally the Power Generation. We have to change the ways we generate power and we need to find the power to make these changes happen.
4. Because coal is about as clean as an anthrax sandwich.
Proudly brandishing the phrase ‘clean coal’, the coal industry is confidently striding forth into our warming world. It’s a brilliant piece of PR greenwash. However, like ‘friendly’ fire or the ‘great’ war, it sounds kind of good but actually, when you get down to it, it really isn’t. Modern coal fired power stations are slightly more ‘efficient’ than old ones but the bottom line is: coal burning is responsible for one quarter of global emissions and those emissions are causing serious problems.
Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) is an important part of the ‘clean’ coal myth. It’s basically a method of capturing and compressing the waste CO2 from a power station and then pumping it into salt aquifiers and old oil wells for long term storage. There’s a few problems with CCS. The biggest one is that it doesn’t exist, it's science fiction. Sure there’s the odd experimental trial but at the scale of large coal fired power stations even the industry themselves say it's 10 years away at best.
E.on are saying that the power station they plan to build will be CCS ready. But ready for what exactly. We might be ready for the second coming but that isn’t going to help solve climate change that’s in happening in reality in the here and now. Given that the next few years are crucial and that other ready-to-go alternatives exist, CCS is just a distraction. Eon want to talk about CCS because they don’t want to talk about CO2 emissions. They want to obscure the truth: Kingsnorth power station will emit at least 6 million tons of CO2 every year and damn the lot of you.
5. Oh dear we're running out of oil. Wahey there's loads of coal!
No need to worry about the coming oil crunch, there’s loads of tar sands and coal - we’ll burn that instead. If you’ve got big investments in fossil fuels or you’ve just bought a villa in Greenland then maybe this ‘solution’ to the oil crunch makes sense. To the rest of us it makes about as much sense as a petrol-filled fire extinguisher.
Most of the geological evidence suggests that there is a lot of coal left, up to 200 years at current rates of consumption. But burning it really isn’t an option if we want a planet to live on (forget Greenland, those villas have sold out and the neighbors would be horrible).
6. But if we don’t burn coal the Chinese will.
Blimey. Where do you start? Yes the Chinese are building coal fired power stations but...
1. Climate change is a global problem and nearly every country is going to have to reduce emissions - the British, the Chinese, the Americans - we all have to get our shit together and change the way our societies make and use energy. If we're going to do it fairly (which in our view is essential), that means countries like the UK will have to cut a lot more than the Chinese. If you're burning coal you're making the problem worse. We're burning it here in the UK so that’s where we’ve got to stop it.
2. Not only are average emissions for each person significantly lower in China than in Britain, a large percentage of Chinese coal is burnt so that Chinese factories can make the throwaway consumer items that fill the shopping centers and refuse dumps of the west.
3. We’ve got to start somewhere. The very ecological systems we rely on for life are in jeopardy. If someone doesn’t wake up and try to turn off the gas we'll probably fry sleeping. Arguing about who should set the alarm is as pathetic as it is suicidal.
7. Without these power stations there will be an energy gap.
The old ones are the best ones. Problem: a load of companies want to make big bucks but can only achieve it by doing the rest of us over. Answer: come up with something scary so people are distracted and don’t notice what you're up to. O’oo the energy gap. A frightener isn’t it. It’s meant to be what happens if we don’t build new coal and nuclear power stations to replace the ones that are being decommissioned. We run out of energy, the Christmas lights go out , rubbish blows in the streets and we’re all transported back into the 70s and forced to listen to crackly Val Doonican records on pedal powered stereos.
But the energy gap is a nonsense.
Check out the Government's own projections:
• The amount electricity generating capacity reduction by 2027 from closing old coal and nuclear power stations: 35%
• The amount of energy Gordon Brown has said we will generate from renewable sources by 2020: 40%
On these figures there is no energy gap. In fact were up five percent seven years early. There are other gaps. A commitment cap, a vision gap, a take the bull by the horns and do something useful for a change gap. But no energy gap.
8. Because there is a growing movement against coal.
It’s not just about Kingsnorth. In Wales and Derbyshire people are trying to stop new open cast mines. And from Bangladesh and the Appalachians to Columbia and Ecuador people are fighting against coal and fossil fuel extraction. This summer there are five other climate camps in other countries all focused on the issue of coal.
This is an essential way of facing the energy and climate change crisis. It’s a call to get together and work for something better in solidarity with people across the globe. Its might sound like an old fashioned idea but then these days so does a stable climate and hell, if flares can make a come back anything has to be possible.
9. Because we need to talk about work.
Here’s a crazy idea. Instead of employing people to burn coal how about we build install and run an energy system based on renewables. They’ve started doing it in Germany and the industry already employs 250,000 people which is a lot more than work in our entire power sector . Here’s another one. We know that we need to make a transition from one energy system to another so what about building that transition around the workers in those industries, what about making it a just transition. And one final one. How about instead of working more and being exploited more so we can compete more just to produce more and more stuff, we work less to produce what we need and want, compete less and share more so we have more time and live better. Phew.
10. They don't have to build Kingsnorth.
There are a load of brilliant alternatives that would solve the energy issue without messing with the planet. If we're serious about these other options then it's crucial we stop the building of Kingsnorth and the other five power stations.
We’ve probably already said it so sorry to go on, but if enough of us get together and say no, then Kingsnorth will never get built. Last year a new runway at Heathrow was seen as a done deal. The Climate Camp helped galvanise almost universal opposition to that stupid plan. With enough of us, we can do the same with building new coal-fired power stations. See you at Kingsnorth on August 9th.
Climate Camp website repost
Homepage:
http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/node/4
Some history about joint action between Earth First! and the NUM
11.07.2008 21:58
'No Opencast! : History - Direct Action - Analysis - Contradictions'
Taken from Do or Die 7 - Voices from the Ecological Resistance
http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no7/23-32.html
anon
Open statement and invitation to the trade union movement
23.07.2008 13:54
The camp is an open event to which all are welcome to attend and debate issues about how we can stop climate change. We will also explore practical examples of how we can live, work and take decisions together, in truly democratic and sustainable ways.
We aim to shut down Kingsnorth power station on the 9th of August for one day. We want to clarify that this action is not against the workers at Kingsnorth, nor does it mean we think the UK coal industry should be shut down overnight. It means we want to show the seriousness of the threat both to humans and our environment, now and into the future. This crisis affects the world’s poorest people first and hardest and is a social justice issue. We feel that we must take collective, political direct action to address it.
We recognise the history of political attacks on the miners and the union movement and we firmly resist that. We recognise the need for jobs, viable communities and a strong trade union movement, and we want a decent, fair and long term deal for all, including miners, energy workers and their communities. We believe we face a common enemy of short-termism, capitalism and the exploitation of people and nature that capitalism inevitably brings.
Coal is currently the dirtiest of the fossil fuels and it is an industry that is going to have to respond to the climate crisis. We are against any proposal that would increase our carbon emissions, as a new power station at Kingsnorth would. Extremely rapid reductions in emissions are necessary if we are not to watch millions suffer and die in the most preventable disaster the world has ever known.
We know much hope surrounds ‘clean coal technology’, but we see a lot of ‘greenwash’ there too. ‘Clean coal’ means many different things and is an idea not a single technology. We know many within the coal industry are pushing carbon capture and storage – CCS – and this is proposed for one part of the new Kingsnorth plant. It may offer solutions but on the scale required it is still only theoretical and will no doubt have many costs. Like many technical proposals its impact will depend on the political context it is used in. We are concerned that it does not marginalise solutions that could have a real impact today, like energy efficiency, renewables, local production, public transport etc. All of these could provide thousands of new jobs immediately, and help make our society healthier.
We don’t have a blueprint for the future but we do have a clear sense of the values which will guide it – environmental sustainability and social justice for all. We locate the roots of climate change within the ideas and practice of capitalism. Consequently we know that we cannot ‘solve’ climate change without addressing the way our world is run for private profit rather than social gain and for endless growth rather than satisfying needs.
We have adopted the model of ‘Just Transition’, in which the needs of workers are paramount within the transition to a new economy: their views are central, there should be adequate retraining where required, there should be no loss incurred. An increasing number of trade unions are adopting this model internationally. There will be ways we can make this transition protect, and benefit, workers and communities worldwide.
Climate change poses a question about our economic and social system. It is in fact an opportunity. The theft of resources, the inequality, the destruction of nature, the abandonment of communities unwanted by big business, the injustice, the poverty, the lack of a real say in our lives – all these can be addressed when we address climate change. As prices rise and people question the reasons for the instability, we will have welcome space to talk about capitalism, social justice and real democracy. It will be an opportunity for groups who were previously unaligned to work together. It will be an opportunity for us to realise the importance and excitement of collective action. It could and should offer the opportunity for the trade union movement to re invigorate itself.
We know we should have made greater efforts to communicate with workers and unions at an earlier stage, and we apologise for that. We hope this opportunity is now here and we warmly welcome a dialogue with all sectors over how we can move forward both fairly and sustainably.
We know there is a proposal for a counter demonstration against the camp. We are concerned that this proposal could give the impression that we are on different sides and be seized upon by government and media to avoid talking about the real political issues we could be addressing. Such a division, real or not, could damage us both, whereas mutual respect and aid could help. We need to engage in a constructive dialogue about the way forward.
To that effect we warmly offer to come to your branch or group to discuss these issues, and invite you to the Camp to do the same.
In solidarity,
Networking group – Camp for Climate Action 2008
Contact us via networking@climatecamp.org.uk
Camp for Climate Action
e-mail:
networking@climatecamp.org.uk
Homepage:
http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/node/71
Phasing out coal in Australia - working with workers
25.07.2008 07:22
However, the approach of union leadership is seemingly out of step with rank and file mine workers who participate in and are driving forces in local no coal campaigns, who came to the Australian Camp for Climate Action, and one worker in the industry even chose to get arrested stopping coal trains with his daughter!
Climate activists are building strong relationships with workers in the Hunter Valley / Newcastle in Australia (the world's largest coal exporting port) - who are committed to preventing runaway climate change, a just transition for workers and communities, and keeping coal as it already is, sequestered in the ground!
People can check out a reportback and video footage from the Just Transitions panel at Climate Camp Australia here http://climatecamp.org.au/camp-for-climate-action-a-demonstration-inspiratio
It included speakers Geoff Evans (Greenpeace Australia Pacific), Daniel Wallace (Newcastle organiser, Australia Manufacturing Workers Union), Anna Rose (national co-ordinator, Australian Youth Climate Coalition), Graham Brown (retired mineworker) and Peter Barrack (former Secretary Newcastle Trades Hall Council).
Tara
e-mail:
holly_tara@hotmail.com
Homepage:
http://www.climatecamp.org.au
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Kingsnorth
11.07.2008 13:03
don't know this station in particular but I was informed this was a
station which was using clean coal technology ? Is that not right ?
whether it is or not we have to ask why coal ?."
Kingsnorth is not using clean coal technology. Government spun that a new power station there would use carbon capture and storage. However, when a government official asked the operators (yes, that really is right, he asked the operators) if the licence should include even just provision for carbon capture the operators said no and the official replied within a few minutes to say that was fine. It shows where the power lies in that relationship, a perfect example of regulatory capture.
There is a place for some forms of clean coal, though only as a stopgap to get us from where we are now to where we need to be in the future. Carbon capture only captures the carbon dioxide. This point is made well in http://ev-eon.com which I suggest you take a look at.
A N Other
500 years of coal
11.07.2008 14:01
In the UK, at the end of the pipeline bringing gas to Europe from Russia, we will be under massive pressure to move away from expensive gas to home produced coal. This would massively increase consumption rates and massively reduce the already over optimistic figure of 500 years worth of coal. Then there is peak oil and the increased demand for coal we can expect post peak. Already China is building dozens of coal to oil gasification plants and many other countries sitting on large coal reserves will no doubt end up doing the same.
If we were to burn all that coal (and I don't doubt that we will), the miners might have jobs but the future will be very very bleak for us all.
at current rates of consumption?
class issues raised
11.07.2008 14:37
As an outsider thinking about getting involved in the climate camp for the first time its important that these issues of class bias are raised, and the allegation that there has been zero discussion between campers and the miners does paint the camp in a rather negative light.
Climate Camp has been admirably open in its challenge to capitalism yet seems to have bypassed a community who have been at the frontline of active resistance to it in Britain for decades.
Have we forgotten?
maggie thatchers afterbirth
dialogue with the NUM
11.07.2008 14:46
I will make sure that the issue is raised at the national gathering in London this weekend. If the NUM would be interested in sending a representative i think that would be great.
I am happy that this dialogue is taking place, although maybe it ought to take a more prominant position within the environmentalist mvoement.
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More Coal Background
11.07.2008 15:18
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/RenewablesVersusCarbonCapture.php
Have a look there, then sign up to receive their e-mails which cover a wide spectrum.
IIlyan
Speaking to....
11.07.2008 15:30
So I think from this perspective there is some positive change and I do think the demonstrations have helped to bring this about, and will continue to keep it on the agenda and ensure such projects are followed through.
Z
Z
Glad to see the offer of debate from miners
11.07.2008 15:34
Creating an ecological society cannot be at the expense of human beings, and cannot be achieved by ignoring the needs and interests of working people.
Anyone remember Judi Bari? She was active in the US anti-logging movement - but trying to work with loggers as well. Must have been doing something right, as someone blew her up in a carbomb.
We need to be addressing the problems at source rather than addressing symptoms. If we ignore capitalism, ignore the production relationships that affect us all, we're just a group of ineffectual single issue protestors that are irrelevant to most of the population.
I can't see capitalism collapsing overnight, so agree with Dave Douglass. An intermediate step would be clean coal, with the black stuff sourced here rather than dug out of the ground by kids and shipped halfway across the planet.
social ecologist
On class issues..
11.07.2008 19:39
So what is class nowadays? Most of the real 'working class' are in other countries, doing the manufacturing jobs for our so-called needs. They are the truly exploited.
I live on less than £8,000/year and still live a luxurious existence compared to my exploited brothers and sisters abroad.
The thing is, climate change is affecting people in other countries - the poor and oppressed that make our stuff. So in that case, I agree that climate change is also a class issue, but not class in the traditional sense anymore.
I read on here that Coltan miners earn about £10/week. Don't know what UK miners earn but I expect it's a little more. I don't see why one section of UK workers should call a halt to protests at climate chaos. Adapt. We're all going to have to, sooner or later.
jem
The missing link
11.07.2008 22:43
So, Indymedia strip out links. The link to Ev-eon is somewhere (I hope) and the NUM should take a look at it.
If the link doesn't work for some reason look up En-eon in a search engine.
A N Other
Homepage: http://ev-eon.com
jem jem jem
12.07.2008 00:29
Class is about our relation with Capital. Most of us are working class. We have no choice but to sell our labour. It is this dynamic that is at the heart of capitalism, and one we need to break if we are to create an ecological society.
Ignoring the plight of a group of people who are fucked over and justifying it because others are fucked over even worse is not on. I agree that relying on fossil fuels is not sustainable, but waving away the end of someone's livelihood is not to be taken lightly.
social ecologist
can someone post the response
12.07.2008 05:23
unfortunately I don´t have it available anymore
to this open letter
the response from climate camp *was* here....
12.07.2008 12:27
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/401999.html (accessed just now, 12 July 13:23)
But it appears to have been removed. Can anyone let us know why that happened?
Makhno
Global warming is not caused by human activity!
12.07.2008 13:28
scientist
to social ecologist
12.07.2008 14:06
My view is a global perspective as climate change is a global issue, whereas lots of people raging about miners jobs seem to be thinking on a very limited and local scale. That's just fine when you're fighting to keep a small school open or to protect travellers in your area or to stop tree-felling or whatever.
No doubt, slave-traders were pissed off at their jobs coming under threat. Carriage-drivers must have been furious when bicycles became popular. Grocers can't be best pleased at people queuing up to work allotments. And when we no longer need to burn coal to produce electricity, miners will be furious. But because they live here and not Angola, they won't watch their children starve to death or die for lack of basic healthcare as a result.
jem
More discussion..........
12.07.2008 14:51
http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=2567#comments
Commie (kill all hippies tendency)
For an alternative plan of production
12.07.2008 15:04
But can workers be convinced of the need to close their own industry? This is not how we should pose the question. The idea of capitalists closing industries under the whip hand of market forces is of course abhorrent. But we shouldn’t give up on the possibility of workers themselves organising to redirect their skills towards socially beneficial outcomes. For us it wouldn’t be a question of closing down the coal industry, it would be a question of reorganising to produce other things (for example turbines for wind, wave and tidal energy, all of which are far more labour intensive than coal) with no loss of pay and substantially better conditions of employment. The Lucas workers certainly didn’t insist on their right to continue making armaments! They drew up a democratic plan for socially useful production. That is the direction we all need to be moving in.
Roy
e-mail: roywilkes59@talktalk.net
Homepage: http://cacctu.wordpress.com/
how fucking dare you
12.07.2008 18:31
compare miners to slave traders. take your working class hatred somewhere else eh
"No doubt, slave-traders were pissed off at their jobs coming under threat."
riotact
Homepage: http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com
Reach for the pistol
12.07.2008 19:32
Worker have nothing but contempt for you and your type. Hope you get buried alive you cunt.
kill all hippies
Guilty as charged
12.07.2008 20:07
Now I remember why I never post on this site. Within a short space of time, some hierarchical male will tell you to fuck off.
Bye
jem
Why this letter was originally hidden
12.07.2008 21:13
An email was then sent to Indymedia saying that it was "definatley not meant for public consumption" and asking that it be removed, so it was hidden.
The emails about this are here:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-moderation/2008-June/0630-s3.html
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-moderation/2008-June/0630-lc.html
IMC Admin
Why the deletion?
12.07.2008 21:29
If somebody compares miners to slave traders and shows total contempt for the working class they will get the insults they deserve. Surely there are far more offensive comments and articles that more worthy of deletion than mine aren't there?
Or is it because I called jem a "cunt"? Is that too much for your bourgois feminist sensibilities is that the real reason?
We should know, just get real, you guys are really out of touch with the majority of working class people.
The dope and cider have rotted your brains even more than I thought.
kill all hippies
what is climate camp doing about this?
13.07.2008 19:54
However, I think Climate Camp should respond here about what they are doing to address these issues.
Solidarity,
Makhno
Climate Camp is...
14.07.2008 14:14
Anti-hierarchy, Anti-leaders, Anti-organisation
At last..............!
14.07.2008 14:18
The climate camp has certainly lost its way of late probably because of those running it.
Jamie
"Climate Camp is...
15.07.2008 07:29
What a load of hippy pish. There is an organizational hierarchy within the 'creative spontaneity' or whatever drivel you want to call it.This is mostly made up of those people who have the cash and spare time to be able to attend the planning meetings around the country.
Asking for a response from this, dare I say it, elite is hardly that much to ask. Directing those questions towards 'The Climate Camp' is also understandable as there are a variety of different working groups, surely there is one who could take it on board to respond to Dave Douglas and other workers concerned by their jobs coming under attack from a bunch of self righteous hippies.
Or maybe the beloved leaders didn't think that workers might be a bit peeved about being put out of their jobs.
Miserablist
Independant Media?
17.07.2008 15:04
Miserablist
See the hidden comments
18.07.2008 16:14
There are posts which have been hidden which don't breach the editorial guidelines, and which are part of the debate on this article.
Decide for yourself if they should have been hidden.
anonymous coward
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