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Activists Disrupt 'Salute to Israel' Parade (press release)

C.Huffed | 29.06.2008 23:36 | Anti-militarism | Anti-racism | Palestine | London | South Coast

Autonomous actions for Palestine challenge Zionist parade

Today, a series of non-violent protest actions disrupted the 'Salute to Israel' parade. The parade celebrated 60 years since the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948. Activists wished to remind the public that since its inception, Israel has been maintained through the constant oppression of the Palestinian people, in particular through ethnic cleansing.

The 'Salute to Israel' parade was a shameful show of support to a government engaged in war crimes. Sponsors included the Jewish National Fund, an organisation deeply involved in the colonisation of Palestinian land as well in anti-Palestinian discrimination within Israel. Activists wish to stress that the British government's authorisation, protection and support of this event is entirely unacceptable.

En route, the parade was greeted by activists with red dye on their hands to symbolise the blood of Palestinians killed by the Israeli government. In Tafalgar Square, both fountains turned red and a Palestinian flag was unfurled at the entrance of the National Gallery. An activist climbed up a big screen which had to be turned off for most of the event. Also, another group attempted to get onto the roof of the National Gallery in order to unfurl a banner but were arrested in the process.

Deir Yassin and Tantura are but two of the most (in)famous massacres perpetrated by Zionist forces against Palestinians in 1948. Over 530 Palestinian towns and villages were destroyed, and nearly two-thirds of the native Palestinian people, around 750 000 people, were forced to flee.

Ethnic cleansing continued beyond 1948, taking various forms from all-out massacres and military attacks to house demolitions and the unceasing oppression of Israeli military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. The Apartheid Wall, mostly built on Palestinian land, is one of the means through which the Israeli government attempts to annex Palestinian land without its people. In Israel, politicians, the media and a section of public opinion openly evoke the 'transfer' of Palestinians whom they describe as a ‘demographic threat’.

Ethnic cleansing is simultaneously a war crime and a crime against humanity under international law.

C.Huffed

Additions

Spoiling Israel's party

30.06.2008 01:24

Samba band
Samba band

Fountain no. 1
Fountain no. 1

Fountain no. 2
Fountain no. 2

Fountain no. 2 again
Fountain no. 2 again

Palestinian blood on Israeli hands - Naomi on release from Charing X police stn
Palestinian blood on Israeli hands - Naomi on release from Charing X police stn

A very successful day. Congratulations to all who took part. Here are some
photos - enjoy.

Sue Blackwell
mail e-mail: academic_intifada@blueyonder.co.uk
- Homepage: http://www.sue.be/pal


Other actions

30.06.2008 02:52

I would also like to add to this, an action I undertook for which there will soon be footage.

Wearing my short grey, ‘Mad Mel’ wig, I waited on a traffic island, opposite the statue of Eros (as there were less Israel supporters on there), waiting for the parade to approach. As they did, in full operatic voice, I started singing a parody of ‘Happy Birthday’ down my megaphone:

‘Happy birthday to you
I’m ashamed, as a Jew
Ethnic cleansing, apartheid
Unhappy birthday to you’

I then shouted, ‘Shame on you, shame on you’ in front of the JC photographer, who may have recognised me. One or two supporters actually hit me, before I was quite harshly and unnecessarily bundled by the police. I struggled and screamed as they were grabbing me from front and behind. They then took me down the road and kept me waiting. One policeman took a few details from me, while also trying to put me down and belittle what I did. In the end, a more senior officer (?) came over and warned me, saying I should not go back to where I was, otherwise they might have to take me away again.

I heard that the offical actions, like the JfJfP vigil, were also very effective. Positioned on the route of the march, they dressed in black and carried placards of the 500 villages which had been destroyed.

So, we've all thrown cold water on the Zionist party! Well done!

Deborah Fink
mail e-mail: debopera.fink@btopenworld.com


fountain no.2

30.06.2008 12:18

Protester pours "blood" into the fountain at Israel rally
Protester pours "blood" into the fountain at Israel rally

The food colouring spreads...
The food colouring spreads...

The participants having such a great time at the blood-tainted rally
The participants having such a great time at the blood-tainted rally

Only children notice...
Only children notice...

The greatest measure of the event's failure to impress was how bored the actual supporters seemed to be. Lucky the protesters brought some colour to Trafalgar Square!

sangria mixer


Pics

30.06.2008 12:38

FIT who took photos of activists who were stopped and searched under Terror Laws
FIT who took photos of activists who were stopped and searched under Terror Laws

Fountain dyed red to represent blood of Palestinians who died during occupation
Fountain dyed red to represent blood of Palestinians who died during occupation

PSC bus
PSC bus

Rabbis for Palestine
Rabbis for Palestine

Flag Holders resist police attempts to move them &are joined by samba band
Flag Holders resist police attempts to move them &are joined by samba band

Some more Pics

Free Palestine


Comments

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Big spender

30.06.2008 05:01

But what have you achieved ? How any of you convinced one supporter of Israel there about their countries supposed war crimes and apartheid? Sounds like you just made a lot of noise and flapped your wings for a lot of nothing; you looked like you were there because you had to be there, not because you wanted to…

And blood in the water really… that’s creative, groundbreaking, who would have suspected? You really hit them where it hurt there…

As far as killing Palestinians goes, Golda Meir stated once: “We [Israel] can forgive the Palestinian’s for killing our children, but we can never for give them for making us kill their children”.

Perhaps when a generation of Palestinians are stopped from being brought up by suicide-bombing martyr-glorifying Islamic fanatics then there will be compromise. Under their conditions there is no compromise.

Golda Meir


DEAD Words

30.06.2008 10:24

Gee G, this action has achieved more than you can measure using pompous dead words. It would be good if you caught up with evolved thinking and not remain in the era of the dead. Look at the pictures. The dynamic Palestinian supporters v. the state funded actors. Who was motivated to be there and who felt had a duty (or their job relied on it) to be there? A different state is coming...and I hope you're in a fit state to join in (ALIVE that is). One day we'll all have cause to celebrate.

Albere Hanna
mail e-mail: alberehanna@hotmail.com


@ Golda

30.06.2008 11:04

"But what have you achieved ? How any of you convinced one supporter of Israel there about their countries supposed war crimes and apartheid? Sounds like you just made a lot of noise and flapped your wings for a lot of nothing; you looked like you were there because you had to be there, not because you wanted to… "


You really don't get it do you? They don't necessarily need to be winning over die hard zionists and Israelis, they just need to make sure that people don't assume that the birth of Israel came without a cost. Zionists tried to throw a PR stunt and people came together to counter it.

As for flapping wings and making noise, what exactly would you call a 60th birthday parade through London? Did it stop the evil beardy Arabs from slaughtering all the poor innocent Jew babies?



"Under their conditions there is no compromise."

If my main conditions were "stop starving us to death" and "treat us as human beings", I'd be a little incensed if I was told I wasn't compromising enough.

MonkeyBot 5000


rewind: resize

30.06.2008 11:15

Great pics, but next time can you take some time to re-size them to around 640 * 480?

It takes us lot around 20 mins to re-size and upload a load of pictures.

brum imcista


bookstolistento

30.06.2008 11:43

I saw the protester who climbed up onto one of the screens and thought that he was very brave, not just for climbing there but also for holding on and staying up there for so long. He must have got the most terrible cramp, as well risking falling off and sustaining serious injury.

And all to make a point that... well that was the problem, his point wasn't clear. he shouted a few times, but lacking a megaphone it was impossible for anyone to hear what he was saying. Also he unfurled no banner and wore no distinctive clothes that conveyed his message. Indeed at first I thought he was merely a prankster until one of the "security" people told me that he was a protester who had climbed up there and that the police couldn't pull him down for "health and safety" reasons.

The "security" man also told me that they had to - and I guess this is a sign of their humanity - switch off the screen to protect him from getting electrocuted. One wonders whether Palestinians would have extended the same courtesy to a Zionist demonstrator, had the roles been reversed.

David Kessler
mail e-mail: dkessler@freenet.co.uk


re those photos

30.06.2008 12:39

@brum imcista - sorry, I'm new to uploading photos onto Indymedia and
didn't realise how huge they would come out. Maybe you could include a
note about ideal photo size on your submission template? Thanks for
shrinking them.

Just on the point about the protestor climbing up the screen - I didn't
see this happen but I think the screen on the left of photo no. 4 (the
last pic of the fountains) must be the one in question, as in the earlier
pics it is in use and by the time I took that one it seems to have been
switched off.

Sue B
mail e-mail: academic_intifada@blueyonder.co.uk
- Homepage: http://www.sue.be/pal


prepublish page and photo resizing advice

30.06.2008 13:38

Hey at the risk of sounding a bit pedantic, there is information about re-sizing pictures for uploading to the newsire on the prepublish page:

'Have you resized your pictures for web? If not, or if you need help, see here first.If you have photos or small audio or video files to attach to your article, use this method. However, if your upload will exceed 5 MB, or your upload is taking a long time, or the upload is just not working, you should use the FTP method below.'

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/static/prepublish.html

brum imcista


Down with zionism!

30.06.2008 14:32

"you looked like you were there because you had to be there, not because you wanted to…"

What, really? I want a world where no-one will have to protest against oppressive colonial states because they won't exist; until that world is created, we have a duty to turn up at events like this. What's so wrong with that?

"And blood in the water really… that’s creative, groundbreaking, who would have suspected? You really hit them where it hurt there…"

Ok, what method would you prefer? Suicide bombing?

As far as killing Palestinians goes, Golda Meir stated once: “We [Israel] can forgive the Palestinian’s for killing our children, but we can never for give them for making us kill their children”.

As far as killing Palestinians goes, I can't forgive the Israeli state for killing children, but I certainly can't forgive it for pretending that killing children is some kind of noble act that it's forced into doing.

Anti-zionist


Another smart arse.

30.06.2008 14:41

"The "security" man also told me that they had to - and I guess this is a sign of their humanity - switch off the screen to protect him from getting electrocuted. One wonders whether Palestinians would have extended the same courtesy to a Zionist demonstrator, had the roles been reversed."


Well, 60 years after the Zionists stop illegaly colonising other people's land and denying the Palestinians their legitimate homeland, we'll throw a big parade to celebrate the end of Zionist genocide, you can protest the fact.

That way we'll also be able to test whether or not the Palestinians will extend you the courtesy of stealing your land and water, committing genocide on your people, collect taxes from you to pay for the priviledge and then blaming you for your own situation.


Besides, what makes you think the guy who turned off the screen was a Zionist and the protester Palestinian? Odds are, they were neither.

MonkeyBot 5000


Video footage of police bundling off the Diva

01.07.2008 02:44

The video footage of me singing 'Unhappy Birthday' is now available at

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2008/06//402235.mp4

Just look at those Zionists assaulting me! But instead of the police dragging them off, they drag off a harmless, Jewish singer......

Deborah Fink


Long Live the Diva! Shame on the British police force. Call for an enquiry!

01.07.2008 07:43

You're excellent. Shame on the UK police: hand in blooded hand they walk with the Zionists; now there can be no doubt.

Elly


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My visit there

01.07.2008 09:32

Estimates indicate about 30,000 people attended, way more than expected together with more than 50 carnival floats, accompanied by bands, dancers and cyclists. Police estimates put over 10,000 along the streets of Piccadilly to Piccadilly Circus. The parade ended with a rally in Trafalgar Square where over 30,000 people converged.

The Manchester parade I understand ended with a huge celebration in the city's Heaton Park.

Organized and supported by a wide range of Anglo-Jewish organizations under the direction of the Board of Deputies and Jewish Leadership Council, the parade - intended to show solidarity with and support for Israel and was part of the UK's celebrations of Israel's 60th anniversary.

On the day the Secretary of State for Schools and Families Ed Balls paid tribute to Israel, saying that while the UK has lived with the threat of terrorism for the last few years, people in the UK did not understand what Israeli citizens had to confront on a daily basis. Balls also spoke about the people of Sderot, saying, "We admire their courage and determination to live their lives, to finish their schooling and fulfil their dreams," he said, to huge applause.

Diaspora Affairs Minister Issac Herzog, who attended the event, hit out at Israel's detractors who - he said - did not "have a clue" about Israel and about Israelis or the country's achievements and struggles. A message of thanks from President Shimon Peres was relayed on huge screens and London Mayor Boris Johnson welcomed revellers. Celebrity messages of support from Bill Clinton, Michael Douglas, Ashton Kutcher, Ben Stiller and Billy Crystal were also transmitted on the screens.

A wide array of performers, including Israeli punk band Useless ID, Grammy Award-winning violinist Miri Ben-Ari and Jewish rap artist Antithesis, provided the entertainment.

Charlie and I then walked around the square to talk to those attending, the atmosphere was light and friendly although I did see an attempt by a small group (about five people) to try and wind up one of the stewards with some pretty hateful Holocaust references. I'm glad to say he ignorded this and just kept smiling and laughing at them until they got bored and left. This was the only real protesting we saw. Charlie loved the fountains being dyed red, I'm not sure whose idea it was but it was great the children all thought it was really fun. We left at about 6pm but the party was still in full swing so I assume it carried on for a while.

Ben


searched under terror laws?

01.07.2008 10:40

"FIT who took photos of activists who were stopped and searched under Terror Laws"

Was it really terror laws that were used? Or just the normal powers under PACE?


surprised


yes, terror laws were used

01.07.2008 11:34

Some people were searched under s44 Terrorism Act 2000 other under s1 PACE.

ACAB


Technical stuff

01.07.2008 13:41

brum imcista, you say "there is information about re-sizing pictures for uploading to the newsire on the prepublish page" but I can't see any link to that page from the template for submitting a
comment. It just says, "If you have photos or other media items to add, then go to the bottom of the page and fill in the number of items before writing your comment." We are told there is a max number of 20 media items and a max size of media files of 20 Mb but nowhere does it say there is a max photo size.

Ordinary readers might read a piece and just click on the link to add a comment and a photo, without
ever knowing that such a thing as a "prepublish page" exists.

So please could we have a brief note and a link from the comments template?

And Deborah the Diva, I would love to see the video of you almost being nicked but the file won't play - is there really such a thing as MP4 or should that be MP3? Anyway WIndows Media Player doesn't recognize the format and I don't know what player does recognize it.

Sue

Sue B
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- Homepage: http://www.sue.be/pal


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Israeli success = headlines missing on this site

01.07.2008 13:44

When it comes to great evil, be aware that such evil will always delight in parading itself as visibly as possible.

While these vile racists and terrorists were glorying in their domination of western nations, and their power structures, they once again worked to ensure that none could deny their true intent and nature. As we all know, the jews of Israel and their supporters declared their actions against the Humans of Gaza to be a quote "holocaust". Now, having been bought up on TV dramas about the last 'holocaust' that played endlessly in the 1970s on british TV, I guess I know how to spot the signs of nazi behaviour then and now.

 http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m45324&s1=h1

"From his hospital bed at the European Hospital in Gaza and with barely audible voice, award-winning Palestinian journalist Muhammed Omer has given a full account of the hair-raising encounter he had last week with Shin Beth agents at the Allenby Bridge border-crossing between Jordan and the West Bank.

Omer, a co-winner of the 2008 Martha Gelhorn Prize for Journalistic Excellence, said he was abused, assaulted , humiliated, ridiculed, kicked, and strip-searched at gunpoint by undisciplined Shin Beth officers until he had a nervous breakdown in which case he lost consciousness for at least 90 minutes."

This is what the monster Ed Balls, and those he holds Common Purpose with in Israel, do to innocent Humans. This was an act that would have been rejected from those dramas about the original nazis as too over the top.

Note the URL above. The zionist organisation Google (whose founder likewise was celibrating with the racist mass murderers of Israel some time back) has eliminated this site from its news pages, and removed as many of its links as possible without causing a backlash in the wider community, from its search engine.

This story about nazi-inspired Israeli-torture of a young journalist, for the crime of being non-jewish, should have carried headline status on Indymedia. However, as you all know, here the zionists have cleverly moved all the stories about Israeli crimes against humanity into a single ghetto of 'palestine today' promoted stories.

"Palestine Today" posts on the newswire are a zionist mechanism to ensure that zionist mods on Indymedia have a right to reduce/discourage/remove individual stories like the Israeli torture of this young man as eye-catching headlines that far more readers would choose to open. If anyone complains about the lack of coverage of key stories, these mods can smirkingly proclaim that they were covered (at some point), and in a promoted story at that.

In other words, the zionist mods that run circles around the 'anarchists', 'greens', 'animal rights', 'anti-war' and other motivated mods and contributors, have worked to ensure that the headline "Israeli jews torture award winning journalist for the crime of returning to Gaza" from ever appearing on the newswire. Even worse, is that the "Palestine Today" stories are always in racist zionist language, where Israeli terrorists are 'troops' and the victims of their atrocities are 'gunmen' or 'militants'.

A SALUTE TO SERBIA (at the time of their war of extermination of Bosnian muslims).
A SALUTE TO SOUTH AFRICA (at the time of the depraved racist creed of apartheid).

Imagine either of the above. The interesting thing about such a mind experiment is that the same people that gave their support in the 'salute to Israel' would have been just as enthusiastic in joining in the above two. Why? Because Israel supplied Serbia with the weapons that the Serbs used to massacre the infamous muslim 'bread queues', and Israel provided nuclear weapons (read that again) to South Africa for the specific purpose of exterminating millions of black-skinned Humans in Africa. Israel was the major ally of both these racist regimes, just as Chomsky, Benn, Livingstone, Foot etc have always been active supporters of Israel.

That a depraved racist monster like Ed Balls has any control over the education of children in the UK is a cause not for mere alarm, but full blown, lung-destroying, screaming horror. That Indymedia UK carried no headlines describing the Israeli torture of Muhammed Omer is disgusting, and shows the extent to which Israel and its zionist hoardes have 'chomsky'ed this so-called 'alternative' site.

BTW- there was another horrific story killed by the 'israeli megaphone project" in the last few days- namely the massacre at Baiji, Iraq- the sickening aftermath of which was captured on video. Remember that those that took part in 'salute to Israel' were 100% behind the genocide in Afghanistan and Iraq, and are 100% working to exterminate tens of millions of Humans in Iran. Active zionist efforts have just about eliminated all stories covering the atrocities carried out by the US in Iraq, and NATO in Afghanistan, from Indymedia UK.

The zionist racists, mass-murderers, torturers, terrorists and other assorted psychos had much to celebrate on Sunday. Their plan to exterminate Human life in Iran now has the support of the only political parties that can hold power in most of Europe, North America, Australia, etc.

...
Now my post provides a real dilemma to the zionist mods here. Do they hide it, and risk exposing their agenda to the other mods that they consider easily manipulated fools. Actually, given the building anger over the torture of this jounalist, and how the zionist 'mock-liberal' Guardian and Independent newspapers understand that keeping a lid on the story cannot safely happen when the pressure is too great, expect the zionists here to actually allow the torture story to make it to the main central body of this site, as necessary so-called 'limited hang-out' (just as they did when the zionists mass murdered innocent Human holiday-makers on a palestinaian beach a few years back- although the zionist mods quickly killed the comments that followed when they became too dangerously critical of their bosses).

PS Ben Stiller has a big film coming out this summer ('tropic thunder' or some such). That he would choose at a time like this to give active support to Israel is identical to those racist scumbags that gave active support to Germany in the 1930s. Hopefully karma will dish out the commercial success he deserves.



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Details

01.07.2008 14:53

Just to confirm - I was searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act along with two other peaceful activists while another activist was searched under Section 1. We have the papers to prove it!

My lawyer (who I rang on being searched) informed me that under "anti-terror" legislation, the police are given extra powers to stop and search in "Iconic" places - Trafalgar Square being one of them.

Protestor


bookstolistento

02.07.2008 23:10

Why all this rubbish about Israel having an apartheid system? Tell that to the Arabs who constitute 17% of the student body at Israeli universities. Tell that to the Israeli Arabs who vote in Israeli elections (and those who don't, despite being eligible). Tell that to the Israeli Arabs who are members of the Israeli parliament as well as those who have been in the past.

Are there any Jews in the elected parliaments of Arab countries? Do the Arab countries even HAVE democratically elected parliaments.

I remember when the Israelis were condemned in 1974 for deviating from the enforcement of Jordanian law in the West Bank. And was was this heinous crime that the Israelis had committed? They allowed women to vote in the West Bank municipal elections in breach of Jordanian law! But the following year the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan gave women the vote - shamed into doing so by Israel's good example.

One other thing to bear in mind: it is possible to demonstrate on Israeli soil against the Israeli government - and people DO. Is it possible to demonstrate against the government of an Arab country IN THAT COUNTRY? That's the difference!

David Kessler
mail e-mail: dkessler@freenet.co.uk


Proud of that democracy?

03.07.2008 09:09

Dear David,
It's great that you think Palestinian Israelis voting for the Knesset is a good thing: unfortunately it's becoming a more and more mainstream opinion among Jewish israelis that giving those Palestinians citizenship was a mistake. The mainstream moderate "tranfer solution" is that they should be stripped of their Israeli citizenship and given a Palestinian one or a Jordanian one and let them go there. This amounts to endorsing ethnic cleansing: keep that Jewish State (as they call it) nice and clean of Arabs.

Yet since you are thankfully not of that ilk, David, and you think giving people the vote is an inclusive policy that makes Israel an benevolent state, why not give citizenship to the other 3.5 million stateless people living under Israel's control in the West Bank and Gaza Strip? It is the fact that Israel controls the territory, including basic supplies such as water, fuel, and necessities such as movement of people and goods, without actually giving the people any rights, that opens Israel to accusations of apartheid. It is not just a provocative cliche: it means occupying territory while curtailing the inhabitants' rights.

Nobody was arguing that Arab countries are models of democracy. Syrians, Egyptians and Saudis are indeed most oppressed by their own governments, each in their own way, and many of us who criticise Israel stand in solidarity with dissenting movements in those countries, as we do with all oppressed people. But it is not relevant to our criticism of Israel.

When Egyptians oppress Egyptians, Congolese oppress Congolese or Chinese oppress Chinese, and capitalists oppress workers-consumers, it is done through a system of power exclusivity that relies on well-known authoritarian and even totalitarian practices: ideology, building of coerced indifference and consent, and on violence. It is not that what Israel does to the Palestinians is exceptional (though many aspects of it are extreme in modern history), it is that combining these common oppressive elements with a linguistic, religious or ethnic divide adds the element of racism."Because they are different -- Arabs -- we will never, we cannot, give them rights." It is this racism that outrages. It is also this linguistic, religious and ethnic divide that gives a rallying cry to the resistance.

Your bringing in that argument about failed Arab governments is just deviating from the debate, and we must be wary of that tactic which derails discussions. As far as I know, Israel does not compare itself to other countries in the region, but to European and North American countries -- and in that comparison it fails miserably, except if we compare Israel to a time in Europe and America when colonialism and racism were the accepted, unquestionned norms.

NH

NH


Selective morality

04.07.2008 16:39

Dear NH,

The fact that SOME Israelis think that it was a mistake to give Israeli citizenship to Arabs within the pre-67 boundaries (not to mention offering it to East Jerusalem Arabs) does not alter the fact that such was citizenship WAS given and has NOT been rescinded. Based on many conversations with Israelis (including members of my own family), I do not get the impression that advocacy of "transfer" is a "mainstream" position within the very diverse and broad Israeli political spectrum. Support for separate Palestinian statehood amongst Israelis does NOT equate to advocating expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel.

As far as giving Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip the vote is concerned, the problem is - and I aware of the contentiousness of this point - that the Jews have genuine grounds to fear religious and political intolerance at the hands of a Muslim-Arab majority in a democratic secular bi-national state. Such a state would almost certainly not remain democratic or secular for long. That is why my comments about Arab states were relevant to this discussion: because they show what the Jews can expect in a predominantly Muslim state. This may be harsh comment, but it is rooted in well-documented fact.

You might say that these comments betray less than total confidence in democracy, despite my earlier comments. To this I plead guilty. The reality is that democracy is neither an end in itself nor a panacea for all political ills. Human rights (for both Jews and Arabs) are the important issue - democracy is merely a means for achieving them that works most, but not all, of the time. In that sense, criticism of Israel for human rights violations may well be legitimate, but I feel it is excessive, one-sided and in many cases misguided.

Regarding Israeli control of resources,it is worth noting that the Gaza Strip has a border with Egypt and the West Bank with Jordan. Israel's control of the territory cannot be as strong as you say, given that the Israelis haven't been able to prevent the movement of weapons and explosives, and haven't been able to stop katyusha rockets falling on Sderot. Even the accusations of controlling resources are somewhat exaggerated - as we saw when Gaza Strip residents staged a candlelight demonstration against Israeli controlled power-cuts, but forgot to tell the shops to switch off their lights!

I also cannot accept that the persecution of people by their own kind is any different from the persecution of people by others. And as to the magnitude of the persecution of Arabs (and Muslims) by their own breathren... well, do I really NEED to give the examples?

You are right that Israel compares itself to Europe and North America rather than to the other states in the Middle East, but the fact that Israel holds itself to such a high standard is itself a point in Israel's favour. And if Israel falls short of those standards, remember that Israel today is in a position approximately analagous to Britain between 1939 and 1945.

And does Israel really fall short of Western standards? I remember a couple of years ago when an Israeli Border Policeman was killed (and another injured) by suicide bomber whom they challenged. Under the rules of engagement - still in force - they could not shoot him without challenging him first, unless a bomb or weapon was visible. Contrast that to the rules of engagement in Britain (also still unchanged) which claimed the life of Jean Charles de Menezes. In some respects, Israel compares favourably to the west!

David Kessler
mail e-mail: dkessler@freenet.co.uk


The truths that Arab supporters would like to forget

04.07.2008 17:07

"Well, 60 years after the Zionists stop illegaly colonising other people's land and denying the Palestinians their legitimate homeland, we'll throw a big parade to celebrate the end of Zionist genocide, you can protest the fact."

How about you celebrate the persecution of the Jews of Syria, Iraq and the Yemen and we protest? Would you treat the protestors with such humanity? How about when you celebrate 90 years of Arab terrorism against the Jews of the Land of Israel (starting with Haj Amin al-Husseini), we protest? Oh sorry, that's not terrorism - that's "liberation struggle."

As for stealing our land - well let's not pretend it's just a hypothetical. The Arabs stole the eastern part of the Jewish city of Jerusalem and expelled all the Jews from the Old City. They subsequently didn't allow Jews (whether Israeli or otherwise) to pray at the Western Wall. In contrast, the Israelis allowed the Muslims to carry on praying on the Temple Mount - and even stopped Jews holding group prayers there. That's the difference: the Jews bend over backwards to accomodate the whims of the intolerant Muslims. The intolerant Muslims on the other hand prevent the Jews from praying at the holiest site in the Jewish religion - and then make feeble and dishonest excuses for it!

They even had the audacity to complain when the Arab squatters were thrown out of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City when it was rebuilt and returned to its rightful owners and residents. Talk about blaming other people for their own situation!

David Kessler
mail e-mail: dkessler@freenet.co.uk


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