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Leave it in the Ground… in Court and a protest

Leave it in the Ground | 26.06.2008 22:51 | Climate Chaos | Ecology | Free Spaces | Sheffield

Last week papers were served on the occupants at Bodge House to appear in Court on Monday 30th June at Derby Combined Courts, The Morledge Derby.

Come and show your support with a fun little protest at 9 am












Under the cover of darkness on 18th June, climate campaigners from ‘Leave it in the Ground’ occupied the UK Coal’s Lodge House site in Derbyshire by barricading themselves in a disused farm building and taken to the trees on the site of the proposed open cast mine.

Activists secured themselves in the Prospect Farm building, on the site which is about to be devastated by huge machines, according to one local we have stopped 30 people from working on the site, who are eagerly waiting for the go ahead to start stripping the earth away so the timing was spot on! The protesters have claimed squatter’s rights.

The proposed open cast mine is a 122 hector area and will have 1 million tonnes of coal ripped out of rural Derbyshire

For the latest info check the blog  http://leaveitintheground.wordpress.com

Leave it in the Ground
- e-mail: derby@earthfirst.org.uk
- Homepage: http://www.leaveitintheground.org.uk

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EUROPES OPENCAST

27.06.2008 06:18

Some time ago, shipley was the biggest open cast mine in europe,

Davey


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Urgent Dialectic

27.06.2008 09:54

Dear Camp for Climate Action,

Firstly thank you for contacting me. I'm hopping mad about what I've heard, but I may not have been told the whole story. I can tell you too the mining community whats left of us feel utterly betrayed by rumours about you swinging all your efforts to close down what remains of the coal industry. There are debates about counter-demonstrations etc and press statements from the power workers and miners. So its vital we do not take up cudgels over this unless and until and at least that we know where each other stand. I was a matter of interest with the National General secretary of the NUM and the Yorkshire Area Leadership last weekend and they are spitting feathers about the Drax demonstration. The slogans on the demonstration and the statements made to the press by the protestsrs demonstrated no concern for the miners, railway workers or power workers. There was no consultation with us, no debate with us, no seeing what we wanted or how we see the world or how we can see if there is anything is common. 'Leave It In The Ground' was the banner which was unfurled at Drax, 'it' being the coal, and the miners ? where do we leave them ? that bit wasn't answered. We know where John Major and Maggie Thatcher and Harold Wilson left us, on the dung heap, and most of us are still there.

Our own demands would be two fold, firstly we want to see the opening of 'clean coal technology stations'. Yes the technology exists and had done since the 50s but nobody was interested in applying it. There are at least two methods, but the latest one is carbon capture, thats not the end of the story but here isn't the place to elaborate. Enough to say its not a con, it does produce massive savings in CO2 emissions, plus the bi product of the Hatfield Main system is hydrogen and energy conservation. Which are added bonuses on the carbon capture.

Secondly we want to see international ('fair trade' if you like ) standards applied to all imported coal and a level playing field in terms of health and safety, conditions, hours and union recognition . Countries with mass slaughter in the collieries should not be allowed to dump coal here at the expense of workers in their countries and unemployment for miners here.

65 million Tonnes of coal is burned in Britain each year only about 18 million of it is mined here, despite the fact that British coal is the cheapest deep mined coal in the world. It is brought here in part because rather than fit wipers and efficient filters to all power stations, they import coal which produces less sulphur and ash and carbon when burned. Instead they burn the miners at source.

There is about 500 years of coal in Britain, it can provide a breathing space, to develop renewable sources, certainly solar, yes tidal, though not destructive wind estates which are laying siege to the bits of free land and crags and moorland we have left.

The governments main plan is and always been to make Britain Nuclear dependant. That is why they closed down the mines in the first place. Climate Camp must be very careful not to cross on the wrong side of the barricade on this issue. Not to be used to promote Nuclear energy by making the biggest focus coal .

The spokesperson at Drax this month said there was NO PLACE for coal in Britain's energy supply ! Thats fairly final. The impact of that statement, coming as it does with a middle class voice and total indifference to the situation in the coal communities, is unlikely to strike any cords this side of the tracks.

I understand you intend to shut down Kingsnorth Power Station in August. I don't know this station in particular but I was informed this was a station which was using clean coal technology ? Is that not right ? whether it is or not we have to ask why coal ?.

Coal is not the biggest producer of CO2 its about the fourth and thats with unfettered uncontrolled emissions from the third world in particular. It could be massively reduced by demanding all coal which comes here meets minimum standards of health and safety and union rights. That the exporting countries themselves adopt clean coal technologies. Such a tighter focus would be entirely more credible and principled than simply saying 'close down all coal power stations, don't build new ones, and exterminate the last of the miners and their communities'.

I cant say I'm keen on entering the lions den of the Climate Camp as a former miners leader and life long coal miner. I'm tempted to say I think we speak differant languages. However I shall pencil this is my calender and see if I can attend along with any of the NUM leadership in order that we can put our point view across and hopefully get you to adopt a more balanced approach to the question of power generation and working class expectations and demands.

You have my permission to put this letter on the website.

The World For The Workers

David Douglass
NUM

**

Dave

Thanks for your reply. So a few things to say.

First of all lets be clear part of our messge is about Just Transition. This was not reported widley although it did make it into the Gaurdian today."we have to make a just transition to a low-carbon economy. People in the coal industry have to be at the centre of the new economy, as in Germany, where 250,000 'green collar' jobs have been created (from solar and other technologies). They have to be given support". It wasn't widly reported because it dosn't fit with the medias agenda but for us you cant just close down an industry without securing work with similar levels of pay and conditions in other industies. In other words it's not worth making that transtion if you fuck people over in the proccess. For us justice and workers rights have to be central to this transition.

We do think that burning coal without CCS has no future. The impacts of climate change hit the poor first and hardest so if your driven by a global interst in the condtion people at the bottom of the pile cliamte change is a crucial thing to deal with. That said I aggree that we should use deep mined coal from the UK as we make the transition to zero carbon power sources and should CCS be developed your prescription for the use of fair trade coal makes total sense.

In my view 'environomentalists have failed miserably to engage in class politics and i certainly think if were going to engage in the issue of coal then were going to have to. But the union movement is hardly perfect. No industry is ever willing to admit there is a problem with there particular sector the union movement is so sectoral and unwilling to work together to find overall solutions to the problems we face.

Unless we develope CCS then yes the harsh truth is we have to as a society find a way of moving beyond coal. Like I've said that dosn't mean leaving miners in the lurch it means making a just transtion over time.

We dont want to just solve the problem of climate change we want solve the problem of explotation and inequality as well.

I think there is much that we can aggree on and if there are appropriate meetings that we could come and talk at it would be great to start a dialoge. The climate camp isn't a lions den. It full of people who might be more niave than your used to but who at heart are probably on the same side as you and are determined to deal with the issue of cliamte change and socail justice.

Yes the camp is at Kingsnorth this year. Unfourtuanatly this isn't a clean coal plant. It might have a small percentage running with CCS but in the main its just going to be a standard coal fired power station.

All the best,
Paul
Camp for Climate Action

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Green jobs

27.06.2008 12:29

The conversation between the miner and Climate Camp is very interesting. What happens to the workers in dirty and unethical industries if we manage to shut them down is a question which needs to be addressed by ecological and anti-war activists. The threat that workers might lose their jobs is often used as an argument by workers, bosses, unions and politicians to keep those places open and to keep pumping in public money as subsidies. I know that this is an issue which the anti-war movement in the US is beginning to tackle.

Global Warming or Conversion of Military Industrial Complex? by Bruce Gagnon
and
Conversion for Survival by Mary Beth Sullivan

are two articles which look at the need to convert the military industrial complex in the US to peaceful, useful and green purposes.

Both articles can be found at  http://www.space4peace.org



idler


beginnings of important conversation

27.06.2008 15:37

i'm so happy that this conversation is happening. By bringing together the green and the red we can't be accused of forcing ordinary people into choosing between jobs or the environment, and other such divisive concepts . The tools of Just transition are a potent force to organise with.

The idea of the 'hydrocarbon commons' is another tool. We can't leave these resources in the hands of either States or Capital

see  http://www.counterpunch.org/caffentzis12152004.html
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stuffit


jobs or...a planet to live on???!

27.06.2008 19:43

While I can see the arguments on both sides of this, I think we need to be clear about the situation. And that without a planet to live on your political arguments and class struggle dialogues are going to look like fiddling while rome burns. A western wage slave lifestyle is in my opinion not worth defending. The earth needs defending with your very lives at this present point in time. No ice at the north pole for godsake! There is really no argument. Think about the future. What price to save the planet?

Rabid environmentalist


Enlist the workers in saving the planet

27.06.2008 20:51

I think the point, Rabid, is that the people employed in these nasty, dirty industries could easily be redeployed doing nice, clean work if there was the political will to make it happen (er, I mean if the politicians are given no choice but to make it happen). True, there are far better ways of organising work than the wage slave model, but my feeling is that the revolution will come a lot quicker if workers can see an alternative existence for themselves in green jobs and therefore become a force supporting these changes. Save the planet in the short term and then get on with dismantling wage slavery afterwards or summat.

That's the way I see it anyway, but I might be completely wrong and I'd be really interested in reading other people's views on the subject.

idler


both sides need to come out of their ghettos

27.06.2008 21:18

As can be seen from the above exchange of letters and comments there is much common ground between environmentalists and trade unionists. Unfortunately in the past the leaders/spokespersons on both sides have seen it in their interests not to engage in dialogue and form coalitions with each other in these areas, much to the delight of the right and neoliberal capitalism. Both sides also pay much lip service to supporting the majority of poor people in the world but if you look at the lifestyles of most of those with influence in both movements it is clear that they prefer to remain in their comfortable environmental/'workers struggle' ghettos rather than engage in the hard and time-consuming work of real movement building.
At the climate camp last year a woeful number came from the climate camp to support the workers on strike just down the road and the same was true during the Gate Gourmet strike 2 years ago, when most activist groups didn't bother to show any support.
The environmental movement and even the climate camp can't pretend it is totally grassroots and non-hierarchical, when it its clear that those with the time and resources have most infleunce in decision making. As last year's climate camp made clear, when decisions needed to be made regarding security issues and negotiations with the police it was a small clique that made these decisions.
It would be good to see a bit of self-criticism on the part of the environmental movement (this also goes for the trade union movement) and also see a response to the claim about the Drax action spokesperson saying that there is no place for coal in the UK economy. Given their resources and potential support the environmental and trade union movement could make much more of a difference in the quest to prevent global climate change and support global social justice.

green socialist


coalitions between unions and ecology

28.06.2008 08:42

from australia:

coal union pushing for mandatory renewable energy target rather than leaving it to market forces:
 http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23906385-5013871,00.html

Workers and environmentalists need a new alliance:
 http://www.greenleft.org.au/2008/754/38959

stuffit


you have got it wrong.

28.06.2008 18:05

"While I can see the arguments on both sides of this, I think we need to be clear about the situation. And that without a planet to live on your political arguments and class struggle dialogues are going to look like fiddling while rome burns. A western wage slave lifestyle is in my opinion not worth defending. The earth needs defending with your very lives at this present point in time. No ice at the north pole for godsake! There is really no argument. Think about the future. What price to save the planet?"

Rabid environmentalist"

I really think you need to read the letter by Dave Douglass again, it has nothing to do with an argument that has two sides and you are completely wrong to polarise it in this way, what Dave Douglass has a beef with is the fact that no one from the climate camp, or "keep it in the ground" has attempted to open up dialect with any of the workers in the industry, and that particularly where the miners are concerned, having seen the attacks by the state on their communities, feel pissed of that climate protesters are attempting to end coal in the UK, without any thought or contact with the workers. Dave also aknowledges the need for immediate action on climate change, and puts forward the idea that coal could play a positive and important part in the transition to renewable energy.






Fly Posters


Playing into the nuclear lobby's hands

29.06.2008 06:15

Douglass has maybe got a point - every time we say 'no coal', we need to be saying 'no nuclear power' too. Too many people, including people who should know better, are suggesting that nuclear power might be a quick (ha!) fix (ha ha!) for climate change. As with any campaign, the problem comes from having to fit an entire philosophy into a slogan the size of a sheet. The point about converting industries rather than throwing workers on the scrapheap needs to be made again and again though. Without that, it's merely a protest. With it, it's a proposal for change.

anti-nuke


Urgent Dialectic

29.06.2008 17:30

Campers + Strikers 4ever!
Campers + Strikers 4ever!

'Coal workers' is one way to describe miners, train drivers, etc., but 'energy workers' would also be accurate, and as Paul says, we will still need energy long after we've stopped (or drastically reduced) burning coal - so there will still be work to be done, just not the same work.

If workers are poorly treated, that is to do with the capitalist organisation of the economy; it isn't strictly a green issue.

At last year's camp, there was a good turnout of campers to support striking workers at Nippon Express, a freight firm (pictured)*. The workers told us that they weren't in the least bit bothered if we succeeded in reducing air freight, as they dealt with sea freight as well, and a decrease in the former would lead to an increase in the latter. The same general principle is true in the energy sector: different work, not less work.

I am one of the crusty campers in the picture, and a socialist to boot!

*Full story here:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/08/378759.html

Squatticus
- Homepage: http://permanentrevolution.net


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Where is the letter? IM moderators

11.07.2008 09:14

Why has the letter by Dave Douglass been removed?

can someone at IM let me know

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