Tony Gosling arrested in missing persons hunt
ON BEHALF OF TONY GOSLING | 26.06.2008 08:16 | Repression
Tuesday 24th June approx. 1400 Tony Gosling and fiancee were stopped in their vehicle on the M32 motorway in Bristol by ten police officers under the authority of the Northumbria Police Major Incident Unit.
Gosling and fiancee were held at Trinity Road police station in Bristol until 1200 the next day, 25th June. Both were heavily questioned. They were each arrested three times, a total of six arrests.
The arrests in order were, Obstructing a Recovery Order, Theft of a Credit Card and then again for Obstructing a Recovery Order.
The two later arrests were made in the police station where they were still being detained for the first arrest.
The officers in command had come from Newcastle: DC 1077 Fairlamb (M) & DC 8558 Logan (F)
Gosling states that he gave police the key to his home address in Bristol. Officers battered his door down before proceeding to conviscate printed lists of contact details, two diaries, two mobile phones, a laptop and a desktop computer. These items are still being held at this time.
Gosling feels he was threatened with precocious charges. He states that he cooperated with police, but claims that his rights as a journalist were not respected. All the charges were dropped shortly before Gosling and his fiancee were released.
Several locations in and around Bristol associated with Gosling were also raided by police.
The police are looking for a woman called Natalie Bracht -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7419308.stm
Although Gosling states that he can not confirm that the information provided to him by Bracht is genuine, he does stress the importance of sharing her allegations.
The authorities have suggested that Bracht is suffering from mental illness and has threatened to kill her own children. Gosling and others have met with Bracht and her five daughters. They report normal behaviour between Bracht and her children - this would seemingly contradict police allegations.
It is not clear at this time, but Gosling believes they have found and arrested Bracht today.
Bracht's allegations involve operations carried out on the British mainland by Israeli intelligence agents from Mossad. In particular activities at the South Gosforth Reformed Synagogue in Newcastle.
According to Bracht she has been on the run from her home in Sunderland since Libyan intelligence officers warned her that the authorities were going to arrest her and place her children in care. The Libyan agents told Bracht that her father was Moshe Baton (spelling tbc) an Israeli British intelligence officer who defected to Libya.
She believes that Mossad helped to carry out the July 7th bombings and that no Muslims are to blame.
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The arrests in order were, Obstructing a Recovery Order, Theft of a Credit Card and then again for Obstructing a Recovery Order.
The two later arrests were made in the police station where they were still being detained for the first arrest.
The officers in command had come from Newcastle: DC 1077 Fairlamb (M) & DC 8558 Logan (F)
Gosling states that he gave police the key to his home address in Bristol. Officers battered his door down before proceeding to conviscate printed lists of contact details, two diaries, two mobile phones, a laptop and a desktop computer. These items are still being held at this time.
Gosling feels he was threatened with precocious charges. He states that he cooperated with police, but claims that his rights as a journalist were not respected. All the charges were dropped shortly before Gosling and his fiancee were released.
Several locations in and around Bristol associated with Gosling were also raided by police.
The police are looking for a woman called Natalie Bracht -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7419308.stm Although Gosling states that he can not confirm that the information provided to him by Bracht is genuine, he does stress the importance of sharing her allegations.
The authorities have suggested that Bracht is suffering from mental illness and has threatened to kill her own children. Gosling and others have met with Bracht and her five daughters. They report normal behaviour between Bracht and her children - this would seemingly contradict police allegations.
It is not clear at this time, but Gosling believes they have found and arrested Bracht today.
Bracht's allegations involve operations carried out on the British mainland by Israeli intelligence agents from Mossad. In particular activities at the South Gosforth Reformed Synagogue in Newcastle.
According to Bracht she has been on the run from her home in Sunderland since Libyan intelligence officers warned her that the authorities were going to arrest her and place her children in care. The Libyan agents told Bracht that her father was Moshe Baton (spelling tbc) an Israeli British intelligence officer who defected to Libya.
She believes that Mossad helped to carry out the July 7th bombings and that no Muslims are to blame.
Download and listen to the hour long interview to hear other information.
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ON BEHALF OF TONY GOSLING
Homepage:
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=15111
Additions
Interviews with Natalie
26.06.2008 10:53
Download:
Natalie short interview
- mp3 4.1M
http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=121416#121416 Short interview with Natalie's main allegations
http://www.bilderberg.org/nb_london_bombs.mp3 http://www.bilderberg-mirror.org.uk/nb_london_bombs.mp3 Hour long in depth interview
http://www.bilderberg-mirror.org.uk/nb_long_story.mp3 http://www.radio4all.net/index.php?op=producer-info&uid=2149 German Jewish woman Natalie Bracht b. 1975
ex of 205 Hastings Street, Hendon, Sunderland, SR2 8SJ.
Anti-War activist in Germany.
In UK for 2.5 years
HER STORY:- UNVERIFIED
Not long after entering the UK she refused to be recruited by Rabbi Dr. Robert Ash to become undercover Mossad 'student'as part of Israeli Anti-Muslim activities in London. Various 'establishment strings pulled through increasing social services harassment to stop benefits, culminating in a fabricated legal case for social services to take away her five children. Two early morning phone calls alerted her to social worker/police visit in late May 2008 and she departed with children 20 minutes before police (who broke down door to find no-one at home) arrived. Natalie and her children are now 'on the run'.
Father: Moshe Baton (Spy for British & Israelis, diplomat in E. Germany. Fell from grace & exiled in Libia 1981 after bribe paid. Believed by Israeli public to be in prison in Israel)
Mossad ex Husband: Dietrich Shimon-Bracht (Now in UK 'helping police')
Israeli nuclear military scientist (originally unknown to Natalie)
His grandfather is in the Knesset and the Tel-aviv masonic Grand Master
Together for 6 years
Separated 4.5 years
'Untouchables' - Masonic/Zionist cell centring around South Gosforth Reformed Synagogue,
1. Reformed (non-religious) Rabbi: Dr Robert Ash (organiser/handler)
2. David Abrahams (Newcastle)
3. Bernard Schaeffer (along with pretend wife wants to 'look after' five children)
4. Sir Jeremy Beecham
5. Dr. Marc Orlim Bereleowitz ('interviews' children)
David Hozen - Judge brought in from Manchester to rule in custody case
Names may be misspelled
She should hand herself in right now - and face her accusers.
Tony Gosling
Homepage:
http://www.bilderberg.org
Full Interview with Natalie Bracht
26.06.2008 11:16
In this interview she says she was active in Germany as a left-wing anarchist and she goes into detail about her experience in the UK and it makes it clear that the spin about her "Histrionic Personality Disorder" and "mental health problems" that the police have fed to a subservient media is total bullshit.
C
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I think
26.06.2008 13:45
Is this amazing story genuine or has it been made up to detract attention from the Agrexco action?
Cynic
Solidarity with Tony Gosling and Natalie.
26.06.2008 14:38
A curious case and I agree that Natalie needs to be given sanctuary. The mental health smears are the usual tactics of the desperate Plod and spooks (plus masons). Should they succeed in finding her and no doubt sectioning her afterwards, she will be "suicided" by them. How is it that Mossad can extend their powers and use them in the UK?
I shall wait for the knock on the door, or battering ram as if they raided Tony's stuff, they will have my contact details.
Jolly Roger, another cynic.
Don't panic
27.06.2008 10:14
However, now Bristol Indymedia appears to be down.
I don't know much about the case but from what I have heard I think it is irresponsible that the interview has been published at this stage.
but
The missing article...
27.06.2008 10:25
German mum on run's plea for help
Sunderland Echo - Feb 14, 2006
Thirty-year-old Natalie Bracht has settled in Sunderland with her five daughters after fleeing her home city of Dusseldorf to get away from her husband. ...
"The article has been unable to display."
The comment said something about allegations about arson.
still missing
A quick name check reveals...
27.06.2008 11:34
"Rabbi Dr Robert Ash will join Temple Emanuel within the next few months. The date of his arrival depends on when his work permit comes through, but he is looking forward to taking up his position as soon as possible. Ash embarked on a rabbinic career in his 40s. He began his rabbinic training at Leo Baeck College in London in 1997, where he read for a Bachelor's and Master's degree in Hebrew and Jewish Studies. He was ordained in 2002.
"After my ordination, I served as the full-time rabbi of Newcastle Reform Synagogue (a small community of under 200 adult members), and was there for five years until resigning to join Temple Emanuel.
"Prior to choosing the rabbinate, I had a pretty varied career. My first permanent position was with the UK Immigration Service at London Heathrow Airport, and for about the next six years, I worked at airports and seaports around the UK. I encountered people from almost every country of the world, and of most cultures, religions and languages," he said.
In 1979, he enrolled for a Bachelor's degree in Education and Religious Studies at London University and graduated in 1982. He then returned to the Immigration Service, working at the passenger seaport at Dover.
"Two years later, I was selected to study Turkish on a year-long, full-time course in London. "In early 1990, after almost 14 years of working for the government, I decided to resign in protest at its asylum policies."
The next three years were spent gaining experience in the private commercial sector. "I worked with a nationally-known freelance journalist who ran his own media marketing business, and I moved on to the large insurer, Norwich Union, providing finance and investment services to high net-worth clients.
"In 1993, I enrolled on a full-time, year-long course in Information Technology at Leicester University. The university offered me a scholarship for three years to do research leading to a Doctorate in the Sociology of Religion, which was the beginning of my preparation for the rabbinate. I worked on my thesis, published several articles on Jewish topics in journals and encyclopaedias, and was awarded the doctorate three years later."
robert ash
More name checks...
27.06.2008 12:00
He was a principal speaker in a Jewish Labour Movement debate about the far-right in British politics at the 2006 Labour Party conference, an active Labour Friends of Israel supporter and a board member of the New Israel Fund UK.
He became a Knight Bachelor in HM Queen’s Birthday Honours in 1994, and was made a Freeman of the City of Newcastle in 1995 for his services as Leader of the Council. He is a solicitor by profession and was formerly senior partner at Beecham Peacock, where he is now a consultant.
Jeremy Beecham
missing 2006 article text
27.06.2008 12:01
The Sunderland Echo
February 14, 2006
German mum on run's plea for help
LENGTH: 434 words
A MUM who fled a turbulent relationship in her German homeland is desperate to trace the family she has never seen.
Thirty-year-old Natalie Bracht has settled in Sunderland with her five daughters after fleeing her home city of Dusseldorf to get away from her husband.
She claims the family was lucky to escape alive when her home was torched, and says her husband's behaviour changed after he joined a controversial religious group.
Now living in Hendon, Natalie and her girls must find their North East relations or face having to return to Germany.
"I can't go back there," she told the Echo. "I'm scared.
"My husband is in a religious group and they will try to find us.
"He doesn't want the children to go to school. We cannot live a normal life."
Natalie and her daughters Manjuh, 10, Naomi nine, Indira, seven, Naima, six, and two-year-old Elinour, hope to trace their English relations and start afresh here.
She was born and lived all her life in Germany, but she and her daughters all have British passports as Natalie's dad, John Brown originally comes from the UK.
She told the Echo: "He still lives somewhere in Germany but I have no address for him.
"But I know he has got brothers and sisters in Sunderland and Newcastle, and other family in Middlesbrough, I think."
She knows John was born on June 3, 1938, has a brother called Dick and a sister Catherine.
Her grandparents George and Mary Brown, whom she has not seen for 20 years, are believed to live on Teesside.
Natalie says the whole Brown family has connections with the military and a family building firm in the North East.
The brave mum said she was initially refused help by social services in Sunderland, despite the family all having British passports, and being told by the consulate in Dusseldorf they would get help.
She feared being split from her children, leaving the family separated in an unknown place thousands of miles from home.
But after much wrangling Natalie and her children, were given a home.
Now Natalie is looking for work to support her girls.
She is a qualified stonemason and would prefer to follow that line of work, but said she would take anything to prevent having to return her daughters to a life on the run in Germany.
Susan Rushworth, Acting Divisional Manager for Children's Services said: "I can confirm that this lady and her children are receiving a significant level of support from Children's Services."
If you are related to Natalie or know her familiy's whereabouts, you can contact her through the Echo on 565 8557.
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More name checks...
27.06.2008 12:11
"At the centre of the Labour party donnergate scandal, Mr Abrahams is said to have donated cash secretly to avoid accusations of being part of a "Jewish conspiracy". Mr Abrahams, a practising Jew, has strong links with Israel. He is provincial vice-chairman of the Jewish Labour Movement, serves on the executive of the Trade Union Friends of Israel, and supports organisations including the Community Security Trust (a British charity set up to protect Jews living in the UK), Labour Friends of Israel, and Academic Friends of Israel. Earlier this year, he provided £250,00 to found a chair in International Politics of the Middle East at Warwick University. For many years, he has made regular trips to Israel with Trade Union Friends of Israel and earlier this year, in Britain, he met Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, whom he has also seen in Israel. His neighbours in Newcastle recall years ago that their road had to be closed for "security reasons" when the Israeli ambassador visited Mr Abrahams at his home. Mr Abrahams, however, insists that his charity and political donations are from his own pocket -and that he is not the conduit of another mystery benefactor."
Abrahams
Another name check...
27.06.2008 12:32
He has lived and worked in Israel and frequently comments publicly on issues arising from the occupation of Palestine. There are several interesting letters from him in the BMJ
MarkB
natalie story in doubt
27.06.2008 12:38
The 2006 story does seem to open questions about natalie's 2008 story, esp the one she gives in her interview with tony gosling
in her interview with tony natalie claims everything was set up for her in england before she arrived, home , passports, etc whereas the 2006 Echo story says she had to fight to get housing when she got here-perhaps the story of running away from dangers in germany helped her get housed by Sunderland council?
!
What can we make of the Sunderland Echo article
27.06.2008 13:23
Lets ignore the contradiction in age between the current press coverage (which says she is 34) and the 2006 article which would make her 32. She says she was born in 1975 which would make her 32/33.
The article revolves around a mum fleeing from a turbulent relationship and trying to trace the family she has never seen. Only part of this is duplicated in the interview, the search for her father.
The article says that she claimed that she and the kids were lucky to escape alive from an arson attack which the article implies had something to do with the husband and "a controversial religious group". The interview specifically says that the 'group' her husband is involved in is not relgious but business orientated but since she is talking about some kind of zionist interest we can assume the paper might have chosen to refer to them as a controversial religious group.
The article names the daughters, which might actually be why the article was removed from the Sunderland Echo website as all the other newspaper articles have avoided naming them.
The article also names Natalie's dad as John Brown, DOB 3rd June 3 1938, with a brother called Dick and a sister Catherine, children of George and Mary Brown. Apparently she told the Echo that her father was living in Germany but that she had no address for him. In the interview we hear that she has since learned that her father has been living in Libya for the last 25 years.
The article refers to family has connections with the military which tallies with the recent interview.
Differences occur when she talks about help by social services on arriving in the country. The article talks about the difficulty getting housing from social services in Sunderland and how she feared being split from her children. However the interview seems to contradict this by saying how easy everything was getting a passport, social security number, benefits housing etc, everything provided, all fine within the space of less than two weeks.
One finally point is that the article reveals that the Children's Services were already involved in the case back in May 2006, giving "a significant level of support", whatever that might mean.
The article doesn't really shed much light on the story at all and perhaps raises more questions than it answers. It remains unclear why the Sunderland Echo might have removed it and there isn't a great deal of significant contradiction between Natalie's story then and now, at least nothing that can't be explained.
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folie à plusieurs
27.06.2008 14:38
-this all seems like a tony gosling folie a deux and indymedia uk folie à plusieurs
looks to me that naive tony has been targetted by her because she knows he will fall for it-like sunderland echo did back in 2006
If he and the Echo hack was a real investigative journalists they would have check documents proving her previous life rather than falling hook line and sinker for her (admittedly brilliant) acting job.
what is alarming is how many want this story to be true so much that they publish before fact checking.
!?!
reply to folie à plusieurs
27.06.2008 15:04
How come you are so well informed of the situation? Do you know her?
M
SHUT UP!! STOP COMMENTING!!
27.06.2008 15:24
loose lips sink ships
Not so quick
28.06.2008 00:01
Natalie Bracht is a qualified stonemason.
Natalie
The boy's and girl's name Natalie \n(a)-ta-lie\ is pronounced NAT-a-lee. It is of Latin origin, and its meaning is "birthday". Refers to the birthday of Christ, or Christmas. There was a fourth-century Saint Natalia. The "h" is silent in the French form Nathalie; some American variants (like Nathalee) are phonetically spelled to retain the "h" sound.
Last name origin & meaning:
French: from the female personal name Natalie, Latin Natalia, derived from natalis (see Noel). This was the name of a saint and martyr, which gave it popularity in the Middle Ages.
The children's names appeared in the Sunderland Echo article but not any others.
"Manjuh, 10, Naomi nine, Indira, seven, Naima, six, and two-year-old Elinour"
Manjuh: unknown meaning and origin. There is an Indian name Manjuh mening "sweet girl" or "lovely, beatiful"
Naomi
NAOMI (1)
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English, Jewish, Biblical
Pronounced: nay-O-mee (English) [key]
From the Hebrew name נָעֳמִי (Na'omiy) meaning "pleasantness". In the Old Testament this is the name of the mother-in-law of Ruth. After the death of her husband, Naomi took the name Mara (see Ruth 1:20).
Indira
Means "beauty" in Sanskrit. This is another name of Lakshmi, the wife of the Hindu god Vishnu. A notable bearer was India's first female prime minister, Indira Gandhi (1917-1984).
The girl's name Indira \i-ndi-ra, in-dira\ is pronounced in-DEER-ah. It is of Hindi and Sanskrit origin, and its meaning is "splendid". Hindu mythology: the wife of Vishnu. Made familiar in modern times by Indira Gandhi, former prime minister of India.
First name origins & meanings:
1. Hindi: God of heaven and thunderstorms; Goddess Lakshmi
2. Hindi: Godlike
Naima
The girl's name Naima \na(i)-ma\ is of Arabic origin, and its meaning is "to be contented".
a female given name: from an Arabic word meaning “benevolent.”
Elinour
Not quite Elinour but Eleanor
The girl's name Eleanor \e-lea-nor\ is pronounced EL-a-nor. It is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "shining light". Variant of Helen.
The boy's and girl's name Natalie \n(a)-ta-lie\ is pronounced NAT-a-lee. It is of Latin origin, and its meaning is "birthday". Refers to the birthday of Christ, or Christmas. There was a fourth-century Saint Natalia. The "h" is silent in the French form Nathalie; some American variants (like Nathalee) are phonetically spelled to retain the "h" sound.
Last name origin & meaning:
French: from the female personal name Natalie, Latin Natalia, derived from natalis (see Noel). This was the name of a saint and martyr, which gave it popularity in the Middle Ages.
The children's names appeared in the Sunderland Echo article but not any others. "Manjuh, 10, Naomi nine, Indira, seven, Naima, six, and two-year-old Elinour"
Manjuh: unknown meaning and origin. There is an Indian name Manjuh mening "sweet girl" or "lovely, beatiful"
Naomi
NAOMI (1)
Gender: Feminine
Usage: English, Jewish, Biblical
Pronounced: nay-O-mee (English) [key]
From the Hebrew name נָעֳמִי (Na'omiy) meaning "pleasantness". In the Old Testament this is the name of the mother-in-law of Ruth. After the death of her husband, Naomi took the name Mara (see Ruth 1:20).
Indira
Means "beauty" in Sanskrit. This is another name of Lakshmi, the wife of the Hindu god Vishnu. A notable bearer was India's first female prime minister, Indira Gandhi (1917-1984).
The girl's name Indira \i-ndi-ra, in-dira\ is pronounced in-DEER-ah. It is of Hindi and Sanskrit origin, and its meaning is "splendid". Hindu mythology: the wife of Vishnu. Made familiar in modern times by Indira Gandhi, former prime minister of India.
First name origins & meanings:
1. Hindi: God of heaven and thunderstorms; Goddess Lakshmi
2. Hindi: Godlike
Naima
The girl's name Naima \na(i)-ma\ is of Arabic origin, and its meaning is "to be contented".
a female given name: from an Arabic word meaning “benevolent.”
Elinour
Not quite Elinour but Eleanor
The girl's name Eleanor \e-lea-nor\ is pronounced EL-a-nor. It is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "shining light". Variant of Helen.
Not quite Elinour but Elinor
Origin: Arabic
Meaning: My god is the light
Origin: English
Meaning: Pity
non
What sort of advice is this?
28.06.2008 05:31
DaftAida
e-mail:
serenamartin13@yahoo.co.uk
I agree. Be responsible
28.06.2008 13:30
ok
honest plods doing their job ...
28.06.2008 20:14
either in your confortable room or in your local police station`... it would be good to show
practical step of reality and starting to show what practical activist stands for >
solidarity not charity
act for a better ONE world
PLOD
Homepage:
http://www.plod.org/
More co-operation with the cops
29.06.2008 00:12
"Police now have information that Ms Bracht has visited The London Central Mosque, in Regent's Park, on several occasion in the last few weeks, but they are still no nearer to tracing the family."
This is interesting and suggests two things. One is that Natalie genuinely believes the story she is telling and has visited the mosque to get help. The second is that the mosque don't believe her and grassed her up to the cops as how else would the police have discovered she had visited and yet failed to capture her.
news watch
Mossad assinations cover-up and their election
29.06.2008 16:52
Tzipi Livni: terrorist-hunter secret of woman tipped to lead Israel
Miss "Squeeky clean" I dont think so, I think she is covering up scandalous assinations in th 1980s eg Gerard Bull etc
Nicola
Whatever happens the truth will come out,if 7/7 was a conspiracy inlvolving blac
30.06.2008 06:49
We have all made mistakes, we have all done bad things for the "greater good", come clean!,
Come clean now for the sake of anything you care about, your families & a cooperative world!,
For Peace,Love & Universalism
Green Syndicalist
Who talked?
30.06.2008 10:20
He claimed that the police were told the name of the farm where Natalie and the children were alleged to be staying at about 9am on Tuesday, well before he was arrested. He says that when he knew they knew, he offered to go there with the police to help make the arrest.
If this is true then it suggests that somebody earlier in the chain of arrest must have provided the information and that would be Mark Brown who for some reason chose to name himself as the person first arrested in comments to this post a few days ago. He admitted providing Tony Goslings name to the Police but did he provided the location? That seems unlikely as he claimed to have no knowledge of the situation and hence the self confessed stupidity and carelessness that led to his arrest.
So who provided the location if it wasn't Tony or Mark? Again, in this thread we find clues in the comments from somebody calling themselves 'mistaken id'. This could be Mark again but the style of writing suggests otherwise. Mark appears to have started posting using the name 'M' but progresses to providing his whole name including his surname so I think we can conclude that 'mistaken id' is a different person.
Mistaken Id says there was some kind of in excusable fuck up caused by a breakdown in communication. Apparently Mark was careless but hadn't been properly briefed so shouldn't be taking all the blame. There are no clues as to who should be sharing the blame but 'mistaken id' is apparently privy to the facts.
A poster calling themselves Arnold seems to be laying the blame down hard on a specific person, somebody who Mark seems to think is himself. Arnold speaks of almost being busted as a result. Could Arnold be Natalie?
M (or Mark) posted that he was arrested and held for 13 hours, plus several other people in an unspecified london squat on Tuesday. Who led the police to that squat? Who led the police to the squats which are also mentioned?
It's not clear when Mark was arrested. If his arrest was Monday then it seems highly likely that the information he gave was what led the police to the farm. If however, he was arrested Tuesday, then according to Tony's post, it would seem to be impossible that any of the arrests we've heard about actually led the cops to the farm. The unnamed London squatters were apparently arrested on Tuesday, as was was Tony, who was apparently stopped on the M32 at 2pm. Were Tuesdays arrests simultaneous or did Tony's arrest lead to the arrests of those in the London squat? None of the posts here can answer those questions.
Only the Police, Natalie and the farmer could confirm whether the farm was visited by police before Tony's arrest and Mark hasn't revealed when he was arrested. It does however look like a rapid cascade of police visits, searches and arrests as a result of Mark's originally carelessness. Tony's claim that the police had visited the farm before he was interviewed may be true but somebody certainly gave the cops that information and Mark claims he didn't even know about Natalie or her location.
The computers, phones and other person records seized during searches and arrests may have provided the clues the police needed but there is no doubt that the original arrest and co-operation from Mark was what gave the authorities the break they had been waiting for.
no comment
Marks side of the story has been suppressed
01.07.2008 00:17
SP
BOGUS or REAL . Did you meet her father ?
01.07.2008 01:17
Here an article appeared on the
this is north east paper last night ....
bug
Parents counter missing mum's internet broadcast claims
01.07.2008 10:07
Natalie Bracht fled her home in Sunderland, with her children - aged four to 13 - on May 17 after learning they were going to be taken into care.
The 34-year-old was initially spotted in the Harlesden area of London and from there officers traced her and the girls to Yeovil, Somerset, where police are focusing their efforts.
Today her father John contacted Northumbria Police in order to set the record straight after a statement made by Ms Brecht about her family was broadcast on the internet.
In the recording she makes a large number of claims about her past.
Northumbria Police were contacted by Natalie's parents, John and Heidrun Brown, who wish to put the record straight.
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"My daughter Natalie Bracht has gone missing with our five grand daughters," said Mr Brown.
"My wife and I are very worried about Natalie and the girls and if she reads this article I urge her to hand herself into the police.
CCTV image of missing woman, Natalie Bracht in London with her five children on Saturday, May 17
CCTV image of missing woman, Natalie Bracht in London with her five children on Saturday, May 17
"My wife and I are greatly upset by some the things Natalie is suggesting to be true to other people.
"I am Natalie's father and I have never heard of the man who she portrays to be her father, this Moshe Baton.
"I am English and moved to Germany in the 1970s to live with my family. I have never been to Libya and never had to seek asylum in any country.
"I have never worked on behalf of the Israeli Government. Neither me, my wife, nor Natalie are Jewish and I don't know where she has got this idea from.
"We follow the Baptist faith and none of our family have ever had links to the Jewish faith.
"Natalie is an accomplished story teller, but the truth is far more mundane. "
Detective Chief Inspector Roger Ford of Northumbria Police
"Natalie is unwell and urgently needs help. We want to appeal to Natalie to bring our grandchildren home.
"We want her to know that we love her very much and we will support her through this. We would urge Natalie to make contact with us, or the police. If anyone has any information about where she is we urge them to pass this onto the police so that the children can be brought home safely."
Detective Chief Inspector Roger Ford of Northumbria Police said: "Natalie is an accomplished story teller, but the truth is far more mundane.
"She has been assessed by her local Social Services and based on their findings Interim Care Orders have been put in place by the High Court for all five of her daughters.
"This means that they should be in the care of their local authority, rather than being several hundred miles from home, friends and school mates, with no obvious means of support, having to rely on the good will of others.
"My number one priority continues to be the safe return of Natalie's daughters, above all else I want to see them safe and well and back in the North East.
"To those who might be sheltering Natalie and the girls, I would ask them to consider her statements very carefully in light of the Interim Care Orders and her Histrionic Personality Disorder.
"The children's safety and welfare are of increasing concern to us. My message to Natalie is that this has gone on long enough, it is time she came forward to police."
By Andrew Douglas
Dad denies missing mum spy claims
01.07.2008 10:09
The dad of missing mum Natalie Bracht has spoken out against his daughter's claims – published on the Internet – that he is a Libyan spy.
Natalie and her five daughters went missing from their Hendon home on Saturday, May 17, after the 34-year-old was told the girls – aged between four and 13 – were about to be taken into care.
The mum-of-five, who has mental disabilities, is said to have changed her appearance to avoid detection.
Police searching for the missing family say Natalie has also made up stories during her time on the run to help her get support and shelter from a number of organisations, groups and individuals.
These include claims, uploaded to the Internet, that her father is an Israeli British intelligence officer who defected to Libya.
She also claims that Israeli intelligence agency Mossad was behind the July 7 bombings in London.
Now her parents, John and Heidrun Brown, have spoken out.
Mr Brown said: "My wife and I are greatly upset by some the things Natalie is suggesting to be true to other people.
"I am Natalie's father and I have never heard of the man who she portrays to be her father, this Moshe Baton.
"I am English and moved to Germany in the 1970s to live with my family. I have never been to Libya and never had to seek asylum in any county.
"I have never worked on behalf of the Israeli Government. Neither me, my wife, nor Natalie are Jewish and I don't know where she has got this idea from.
"Natalie is unwell and urgently needs help. We want to appeal to Natalie to bring our grandchildren home.
"We want her to know that we love her very much and we will support her through this.
"We would urge Natalie to make contact with us, or the police. If anyone has any information about where she is we urge them to pass this on to the police so that the children can be brought home safely."
Natalie was traced to Somerset last Tuesday where police are now focusing their efforts.
Detective Chief Inspector Roger Ford of Northumbria Police said: "My number one priority continues to be the safe return of Natalie's daughters. Above all else I want to see them safe and well and back in the North East.
"My message to Natalie is that this has gone on long enough. It is time she came forward to police."
By Ross Robertson
Homepage:
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/Dad-denies-missing-mum-spy.4238883.jp
Parents plea to missing daughter
01.07.2008 10:11
She was spotted in Harlesden, London, last week, but has since vanished. Police said she had made up a series of stories about her past. Her parents John and Heidrun Brown said they loved her and wanted her to come home.
During her time on the run, Ms Bracht has approached a number of organisations, fabricating stories to gain support and shelter, Northumbria Police said. She has been telling people her father was an asylum seeker who worked for the Israeli Government, claims which are untrue, police said.
Mr Brown said: "My wife and I are very worried about Natalie and the girls and I urge her to hand herself into the police. "We are greatly upset by some of the things Natalie is suggesting to be true to other people. "I am English and moved to Germany in the 1970s to live with my family and have never had to seek asylum. Natalie is unwell and urgently needs help."
Ms Bracht has been diagnosed with a histrionic personality disorder, which includes a tendency to make rash decisions and exaggerate emotion. Ms Bracht moved to the North East from Germany in 2006 with her children and speaks good English, with a strong German accent.
Det Chf Insp Roger Ford of Northumbria Police said: "Natalie is an accomplished story teller, but the truth is far more mundane. "She has been assessed by her local social services and based on their findings interim care orders have been put in place for all five of her daughters."
BBC
Homepage:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7482016.stm
Just goes to show
01.07.2008 10:30
observer
At the time, I believed the plod
01.07.2008 17:46
No Comment said, referring to my arrest: "the self confessed stupidity and carelessness that led to his arrest."
> since you are not abrest of all the facts regrading this situation to value judge me, might I suggest you get all your facts right before judging me and second-guessing the precise cirmstances of what happened
'No Comment' speculates about who it was earlier in the chain of arrest that provided the information about the location of the farm they were staying at. Well yes, though I didn't know where she was at-all, because I believed that the story these plod were telling me was for real, they appealed to me to think of anywhere she might be; arrested, face-to-face with the head of Northumbria Police's homicide unit giving me the authorative emphatic assertion that social services were after her kids for their own protection because the mother was mentally unstable and had threatened their lives and that she was a fantacist, I'm afraid little old misinformed me who had never infact met Natalie nor her kids nor learned anything about her story in any detail, believed their story. I volunteered that the farm they later searched MIGHT be one possible location she could be at, also adding that she might actually be anywhere. Turns out, they sent 20 cops to the site in the afternoon the same Tuesday, and block off all roads round the farm. But being a 40 acre site, they must have been stratching their heads, and only 2 of the police climbed up the hill to the top where the community's residents live, where they were promptly informed by someone who didn't know of them. The police then stopped the search (only to return the following morning with larger numbers and a helicopter, but to no avail).
originally sent at: 15:56, on 27.06.2008:
This comment was removed along with all the other ones which were about what actually happened on Tuesday. But, people may not have got to read my right-of-reply to the various accusations that have been chucked around.
Subject: Right-of-Reply
27.06.2008 11:58
I feel I must respond to the character assassination from Arnold (& the coward who called me a 'proven grass'), because whilst the criticism about what I did is partly true, there are some mitigating circumstances.
It was because I wasn't fully briefed, infact had no idea of her actual story (and so should never have been asked to do the job I was asked to do), that when I was arrested, face-to-face with the head of Northumbria Police's homicide unit giving me the authorative emphatic assertion that social services were after her kids for their own protection because the mother was mentally unstable and had threatened their lives and that she was a fantacist, I'm afraid little old misinformed, gullible, stupid me believed their story. (And yes, this all happened in the first place because I'd been careless in the execution of the task I was delegated to do, though quite why this was delegated to me at-all now seems crazy). I was being charged with theft and asked to volunteer information about where she was for the sake of the protection of the kids, hence why I supplied Tony's name as someone in contact with her. I had to account for what I was doing and what the outcome of what I had done would be. I had no idea where Natalie was, so obviously was not in any position to supply that information to the cops.
However, I hang my head in shame that it was my original fuck-up which brought everything to this situation.
Mark
Mark
'Parents' counter missing mum's internet broadcast claims
01.07.2008 21:27
"My daughter Natalie Bracht has gone missing with our five grand daughters," said Mr Brown.
"My wife and I are very worried about Natalie and the girls and if she reads this article I urge her to hand herself into the police.
"My wife and I are greatly upset by some the things Natalie is suggesting to be true to other people.
"I am Natalie's father and I have never heard of the man who she portrays to be her father, this Moshe Baton.
"I am English and moved to Germany in the 1970s to live with my family. I have never been to Libya and never had to seek asylum in any country.
"I have never worked on behalf of the Israeli Government. Neither me, my wife, nor Natalie are Jewish and I don't know where she has got this idea from.
"We follow the Baptist faith and none of our family have ever had links to the Jewish faith.
"Natalie is an accomplished story teller, but the truth is far more mundane. "
Detective Chief Inspector Roger Ford of Northumbria Police
"Natalie is unwell and urgently needs help. We want to appeal to Natalie to bring our grandchildren home.
"We want her to know that we love her very much and we will support her through this. We would urge Natalie to make contact with us, or the police. If anyone has any information about where she is we urge them to pass this onto the police so that the children can be brought home safely."
Detective Chief Inspector Roger Ford of Northumbria Police said: "Natalie is an accomplished story teller, but the truth is far more mundane..............
Northern Echo
Surely you mean...
05.07.2008 10:58
The Pare Delegate
Spineless traitor
05.07.2008 22:14
mb
a more considered judgement
06.07.2008 13:58
Really, mb, get all your facts in order before you rush to judgement! As I said, I admit I was foolish and made a mistake. The fact is: at the time I was interviewed, I revealed information to the cops about the woman because I BELIEVED THEIR STORY AT THE TIME (that she was a danger to her kids).
Fortunately, people I know come to form a more considered judgement as to what the future holds for me than a shit-stirrer like you!
Mark
A name for those who talk to cops
06.07.2008 16:52
Mark implied he was innocent of being a grass when he wrote, "I had no idea where Natalie was, so obviously was not in any position to supply that information to the cops". But later he admitted his role when he wrote, "I volunteered that the farm they later searched MIGHT be one possible location she could be at".
!
lay off mark
06.07.2008 17:04
G
Gutless cowards lay judgement from sidelines
06.07.2008 21:24
..as opposed to anonomous spineless gutless cowards who love to stir up bad feeling and distrust from the sidelines on this comment thread!
Really, mb, get all your facts in order before you rush to judgement! As I said, I admit I was foolish and made a mistake. The fact is: at the time I was interviewed, I revealed information to the cops about the woman because I BELIEVED THEIR STORY AT THE TIME (that she was a danger to her kids).
Fortunately, people I know come to form a more considered judgement as to what the future holds for me than a shit-stirrer like you! (infact, I would question the rational of someone who goes out of their way to lay judgement on a situation that they were not involved in at-all, which as I said, just makes you a gutless coward).
Mark
From the side lines
06.07.2008 22:11
Which facts are you complaining about being wrong Mark?
Nothing I've seen written have you been denying, in fact you've admitted it.
What exactly is wrong with the judgement expressed?
If you don't like people commenting about your actions then perhaps you shouldn't have put your name to them. Then again, perhaps you've not yet learnt you lesson about putting names (or places) to things which are best left anonymous.
mb
There u go mb, u admit you make yr judgement from the sidelines
06.07.2008 22:53
Why don't you re-read what I've said already and in the last comment to appreciate what i mean when I say you've rushed to judgement without grasping all the facts. In any case, who the hell are you to judge me? Do you consider yourself as a spokesperson for 'the movement'? (that would be incredibly pious of you)
You admit you were not involved, so either make contact with me and say whatever allegations you want to make to my face, or hide away in the shadows
Mark
Bit late to be tight lipped
07.07.2008 11:49
What previous assertions have you corrected? It was said that your mistake lead to others being arrested, properties searched and Natalies whereabouts being revealed. You admit that all those assertions are true.
It was said that you gave information to the police, including the location of Natalie Bracht and you've admitted that as well, so which assertions have you corrected?
> you've rushed to judgement without grasping all the facts.
I think there are more than enough facts expressed in these comments and elsewhere online to make a reasonable judgement about the events that took place. Don't forget that many of the facts have been supplied by you and that you were the one who choose the reveal yourself as the person who's arrest initiated the rest. What facts do you think I have failed to grasp?
> In any case, who the hell are you to judge me?
Like others commenting here, I am somebody who is uncomfortable knowing that somebody within the circles I operate has trusted the police over their own comrades and made mistakes that might have led to serious consequences. To avoid something similar happening in the future I feel it necessary to know who can be trusted and who can't.
Now why don't you answer my simple questions instead of attacking the messenger? Would it help if I said I was a cop? You can trust me.
mb
SUSPICSIOUS
08.07.2008 16:41
i live in sunderland and find it strange that Natalie said newcastle social services were involved in her situation.
sunderland has its own capable social sevice department that would deal with normal care orders.
if she can prove this via documents or letters from social services this would make me believe something strange was happening.
Its obvious that she is being helped, so maybe her helpers can get evidence and publish it to prove what she is saying is true.If she can prove her story im sure more people will want to help.
For a girl who is supposed to have a mental illness she seams to function better than a lot of people i know who are classed as normal.
on the negative side..she said social services took her kids passports then later she said when she went on the run she grabbed the passports?????
r harvey
e-mail:
r0nsix@ntlworld.com
I may been foolish, but I'm no traitor, mb. You r idiotic to assert I am
08.07.2008 18:01
"It was said that you gave information to the police, including the location of Natalie Bracht and you've admitted that as well, so which assertions have you corrected?"
> The same you make, which is why I suggested you re-read what I've already said instead of continually wasting your time on this comment thread.
You also said:
"I think there are more than enough facts expressed in these comments and elsewhere online to make a reasonable judgement about the events that took place. Don't forget that many of the facts have been supplied by you and that you were the one who choose the reveal yourself as the person who's arrest initiated the rest. What facts do you think I have failed to grasp?"
> Well, I can assure that that you calling me a "spineless traitor" is not a reasonable judgement; it is not a view shared by colleagues who were involved in this situation. It might be the judgement of some know-it-all who reads a few commenst off of a indymedia comment thread and rushes to judgement against me (unless of course, your very intention is to discredit my reputation). Since you've repeated yourself here (so proving that you chose not to actually read what I already said), I'll spell it out for you. In short, at the time I was interviewed by the police, I DID INFACT BELIEVE THEIR STORY THAT SHE WAS A FANTACIST AND THAT SHE WAS A DANGER TO HER KIDS. This has been something I do now regret. My silence would have meant me being charged with theft, all because I was left high & dry by someone who passed the buck of this job onto me (withdrawing money from Natalie's credit card). Why was I left high & dry? I was not fully briefed as to her situation and subsequently could not speak with anyone over the phone about the situation. When I was arrested, obviously this remained the case.
Even now, by virtue of the fact that I did not actually meet Natalie, I am not at-all sure about who is telling the truth and who is lying. I can tell you one thing however; that of the people I know who met her, not all of them now believe her story. Fact is however, the benefit of the doubt is always going to be given to a mother protecting her kids. I do admit, freely, that this is not something I did, in the face of being threatened with crinimal charges. They would have been charges I would have willingly submitted to had I, 1. met her and 2. knew more about her story, but the fact was, the suggestion that her story was one of a fantacist became one which became credible to me by virtue of the lack of information I knew about her actual situation. It was this arrangement which was most at fault, rather than my apparant capitulation to some cops (so I hope you will now realise that yr assertion that I am a "spineless traitor" is one from someone who is either uninformed yet happy to sling around injurious unsubstantiated allegations about a person's character made with an at-best surface-deep evaluation of what actually happened, or one who is being deliberately and deceitfully damning of one who is left vulnerable to some assertion in circumstances which the accuser doesn't actually have all the facts ).
Finally you said in response to my question to you about 'who the hell are you to judge me?':
"Like others commenting here, I am somebody who is uncomfortable knowing that somebody within the circles I operate has trusted the police over their own comrades and made mistakes that might have led to serious consequences. To avoid something similar happening in the future I feel it necessary to know who can be trusted and who can't.
Now, why don't you answer my simple questions instead of attacking the messenger? Would it help if I said I was a cop? You can trust me."
> Firstly, as I said, since you know who I am, I suggest you make contact with me and make whatever allegations to me to my face instead of continuing to make these unsubstantiated comments (that I am a "spineless traitor") whilst hiding behind anonymity. Alternatively, you can speak to orther people revealed to have been arrested (ie Tony) and ask whether that is a view he shares (considering the fact that, as I confirmed, he was arrested after I revealed his contact with Natalie). I've answered your questions, though like an enquiry which I have no wish to contribute information towards (which was not the case in this instance at the time I was questioned), I didn't need to respond to you.
Perhaps you are a cop, up to some tedious mindgames. I suggest you retreat from yourconstant provocation and take the time to digest what I have said and what others have said supporting me on this comment thread, and the opinion of others involved which though not documented here, are opinions which you could easily gather from those identified in the story as having been involved, who all have a more considered opinion than your distorted pre-judgement and nasty insults.
I will, finally correct you of your wrongful labelling of my wrongdoing in this whole episode and of where I admit my fault in all this was and why this all originated from me: it was my careless mistake with the using of Natalie's creditcard. I have held my hands up over this and remain deeply remorseful over it. I don't need you to further name-call me over this. Only a spineless, gutless coward who liked to utter insult from the sidelines would do that.
Mark
Get yours facts right b4 throwing around insults, mb
08.07.2008 21:57
Mb, you asked me:
"It was said that you gave information to the police, including the location of Natalie Bracht and you've admitted that as well, so which assertions have you corrected?"
> The same you make, which is why I suggested you re-read what I've already said instead of continually wasting your time on this comment thread.
You also said:
"I think there are more than enough facts expressed in these comments and elsewhere online to make a reasonable judgement about the events that took place. Don't forget that many of the facts have been supplied by you and that you were the one who choose the reveal yourself as the person who's arrest initiated the rest. What facts do you think I have failed to grasp?"
> Well, your basing your judgement without possession of all the facts, mb, whivch why I say you are rushing to judgement. I can assure that that you calling me a "spineless traitor" is not a reasonable judgement; it is not a view shared by colleagues who were involved in this situation. It might be the judgement of some know-it-all who reads a few commenst off of a indymedia comment thread and rushes to judgement against me (unless of course, your very intention is to discredit my reputation). Since you've repeated yourself here (so proving that you chose not to actually read what I already said), I'll spell it out for you. In short, at the time I was interviewed by the police, I DID INFACT BELIEVE THEIR STORY THAT SHE WAS A FANTACIST AND THAT SHE WAS A DANGER TO HER KIDS. This has been something I do now regret. My silence would have meant me being charged with theft, all because I was left high & dry by someone who passed the buck of this job onto me (withdrawing money from Natalie's credit card - a task I ineffectively carried out - resulting in my arrest). Why was I left high & dry? I was not fully briefed as to her situation and subsequently could not speak with anyone over the phone about the situation. When I was arrested, obviously this remained the case.
Even now, by virtue of the fact that I did not actually meet Natalie, I am not at-all sure about who is telling the truth and who is lying. I can tell you one thing however; that of the people I know who met her, not all of them now believe her story. Fact is however, the benefit of the doubt is always going to be given to a mother protecting her kids. I do admit, freely, that this is not something I did, in the face of being threatened with crinimal charges. They would have been charges I would have willingly submitted to had I, 1. met her and 2. knew more about her story, but the fact was, the suggestion that her story was one of a fantacist became one which became credible to me by virtue of the lack of information I knew about her actual situation. It was this arrangement which was most at fault, rather than my apparant capitulation to some cops (so I hope you will now realise that yr assertion that I am a "spineless traitor" is one from someone who is either uninformed yet happy to sling around injurious unsubstantiated allegations about a person's character made with an at-best surface-deep evaluation of what actually happened, or one who is being deliberately and deceitfully damning of one who is left vulnerable to some assertion in circumstances which the accuser doesn't actually have all the facts ).
Finally you said in response to my question to you about 'who the hell are you to judge me?':
"Like others commenting here, I am somebody who is uncomfortable knowing that somebody within the circles I operate has trusted the police over their own comrades and made mistakes that might have led to serious consequences. To avoid something similar happening in the future I feel it necessary to know who can be trusted and who can't.
Now, why don't you answer my simple questions instead of attacking the messenger? Would it help if I said I was a cop? You can trust me."
> Firstly, as I said, since you know who I am, I suggest you make contact with me and make whatever allegations to me to my face instead of continuing to make these unsubstantiated comments (that I am a "spineless traitor") whilst hiding behind anonymity. Alternatively, you can speak to orther people revealed to have been arrested (ie Tony) and ask whether that is a view he shares (considering the fact that, as I confirmed, he was arrested after I revealed his contact with Natalie). I've answered your questions, though like an enquiry which I have no wish to contribute information towards (which was not the case in this instance at the time I was questioned), I didn't need to respond to you.
Perhaps you are a cop, up to some tedious mindgames. I suggest you retreat from yourconstant provocation and take the time to digest what I have said and what others have said supporting me on this comment thread, and the opinion of others involved which though not documented here, are opinions which you could easily gather from those identified in the story as having been involved, who all have a more considered opinion than your distorted pre-judgement and nasty insults.
I will, finally correct you of your wrongful labelling of my wrongdoing in this whole episode and of where I admit my fault in all this was and why this all originated from me: it was my careless mistake with the using of Natalie's creditcard. I have held my hands up over this and remain deeply remorseful over it. I don't need you to further name-call me over this. Only a spineless, gutless coward who liked to utter insult from the sidelines would do that.
Mark
Over and over and over again
08.07.2008 23:05
> I can assure that that you calling me a "spineless traitor" is not a reasonable judgement;
I disagree.
Traitor \Trai"tor\, n.
to deliver, to give up or surrender treacherously,
one who betrays any confidence or trust;
I think it is an appropriate term and substantiated by your own admissions.
> it is not a view shared by colleagues who were involved in this situation
We only have your word for that. Do you want to invite them all to express their view in public?
> your very intention is to discredit my reputation
You've discredited yourself. These are your actions and you named yourself.
> at the time I was interviewed by the police, I DID INFACT BELIEVE THEIR STORY
> THAT SHE WAS A FANTACIST AND THAT SHE WAS A DANGER TO HER KIDS.
There is no need to shout, you've said the same thing repeatedly. It doesn't justify anything in fact this is the essence of the issue. You believed the cops and trusted them rather than your comrades! That is treachery.
> My silence would have meant me being charged with theft
Actually, it would probably have meant that you were held for a while then released and bailed to return. The CPS would have been consulted about whether to charge you and since they didn't have the owner of the card to say it was stolen they would have been unable to go ahead with a prosecution. Your silence would have meant that squats remained off their radar and unsearched, several others would have not been inconvenienced by arrest and Natalie and her kids would still be enjoying a safe haven. Your silence would have also provided you with opportunities to seek legal advice and speak to your comrades.
> I was left high & dry by someone who passed the buck of this job onto me
I agree. It was clearly stupid of somebody to trust you with an important job and fail to ensure that you knew what you were doing and could do it sensibly. Not only did this mistake almost lead to Natalie and her kids being captured but it means she now has no chance to access her money.
> I was not fully briefed as to her situation and subsequently could not speak with anyone
> over the phone about the situation. When I was arrested, obviously this remained the case.
Phones tend to be pretty good tools for communicating, unless perhaps you are too paranoid to use them. If that's the case and you thought there was a reason to be paranoid about the situation, why the hell would you be so quick to co-operate with the cops?
I say it again - if you had remained silent then you would have had the opportunity to speak to your comrades and clarify the situation.
> I did not actually meet Natalie, I am not at-all sure about who is telling the truth
I don't see how that matters, or changes the fact that you trusted the cops instead of your comrades. From comments written here it is clear that you were not the only person attempting to help her who had not heard her story. I don't believe many people had heard Natalie's Zionist conspiracy at all until Tony Goslings interview. People would have been motivated to help her simply because they wanted to prevent the state from tearing the family apart.
> I've answered your questions, though like an enquiry which I have no wish to contribute
> information towards (which was not the case in this instance at the time I was questioned),
> I didn't need to respond to you.
No, you didn't need to respond, you didn't need to talk to the cops, and you didn't need to come on here and put your name to the deed. But you did, so you can hardly blame me or others for engaging in the discourse and expressing a view on the whole sordid affair.
> I suggest you retreat from your constant provocation and take the time to digest
> what I have said and what others have said supporting me on this comment thread,
Well, I would suggest that you follow the advice of others in the thread and quit adding fuel to the fire, but it's probably a bit late for that. In the meantime you've not said anything new for me to digest and I stand by my opinion that your cooperation with the police makes you somebody to avoid trusting in the future.
mb
Swallow your foolish pride Mark...
08.07.2008 23:37
For Natalie and her daughters' sake
mbThat is yr opinion, & u r entiled 2 repeat upteem-times 4 what good it will do
09.07.2008 09:36
The plain truth is, if you are involving someone in helping out in a situation like this, to not fully brief them and then have them carry out a crucial, sensitive task leaving them in a potentially vulnerable position is actually more damning than anything else (both my acceptance of this arrangement and the lack of communication from others). What was not probably envisaged was that I, 1. would be arrested, and 2. by virtue of not actually knowing Natalie's story, to be suddenly caught in the middle of "a major investigation" that I would capitulate to the cop's argument that the woman I'd never met is a fantasist and believe them.
So, I was foolish yes, but I am not a traitor.
The definition of Traitor, as you provided it, being 'to deliver, to give up or surrender treacherously,
one who betrays any confidence or trust'. I did not supply information "treacherously", and that I believed what the police said because I had a paucity of information to think otherwise does not make me a traitor, I'm sorry. That I made a series misjudgement, I grant you. But you can call me any name under the sun you wish. However, I think you do the situation no favours harping on about this, if your only motivation is to continue to drag me through the mud. You've already established I am not someone you would choose to work with in future. We don't require you to continue repeating yourself on this; I am happy to know it is a view not shared by others who I have talked with face-to-face and know me for many years.
Also, don't be ridiculous; I am not asking all my colleagues to all to express their view in public? I simply said, if you want to continue this, then you know how to contact me; speak to me directly rather than on a public fora and I'll pass on whatever questions you have to others involved.
You said:
I don't believe many people had heard Natalie's Zionist conspiracy at all until Tony Goslings interview.
> on this, you are wrong (proving you are assuming you grasp full knowledge of the whole scenerio, when infact, you are simply gathered your information only from this thread)
Mark
Stupidity or treachery, same result, same threat
09.07.2008 13:10
treach·er·y (trch-r) n. pl. treach·er·ies
- Willful betrayal of fidelity, confidence, or trust; . The act or an instance of such betrayal.
- Violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence; treasonable or perfidious conduct; treason.
- double-crossing, sellout - acts of betrayal
> to not fully brief them and then have them carry out a crucial, sensitive task leaving them
> in a potentially vulnerable position is actually more damning than anything else
There have been plenty of people pointing out that the person who gave you the job was as foolish as you were. I'd say it was an unforgivable level of stupidity no doubt Natalie would not trust that person again. I would also have serious doubts about trusting that person, no because of the risk of betrayal as demonstrated by your own behaviour but simply because stupidity puts others at risk.
> You said: I don't believe many people had heard Natalie's Zionist conspiracy
> at all until Tony Goslings interview. on this, you are wrong (proving you are
> assuming you grasp full knowledge of the whole scenerio, when infact, you
> are simply gathered your information only from this thread)
In the interview a number of people can be heard to be present so we can assume these people heard the story. Obviously Tony, Natalie and the kids were present and you were not. We hear another male voice so we can assume he heard the story and there may have been others we do not hear. Beyond that we can not know who she told the story to an to what extent. However you
are yourself making an assumption when you say my information comes only from this thread
and I say that you are incorrect to say I am wrong in not believing that many people had heard
the story before helping Natalie.
You appear to be a very gullible person Mark. I notice that you vouched for Natalies story in this thread without ever having met her, simply on the basis of the interview it seems. Just as you believed the cops, you apparently came to believe in Natalies anti-jewish rant - even referring to it as kosher for fucks sake!
I don't understand your need to have the last word. You say I am wrong but clearly not in substance, just in the choice of words I choose to describe your acts. You don't dispute the acts themselves and have freely admitted making a string of mistakes, including believing the cops, telling the cops about other people and revealing locations to search. You attempt to justify your behaviour by saying it was a mistake and by blaming lack of communication from the person who sent you to get money from Natalie's credit card. Fine, you made a mistake and so did the person who sent you, but none of that excuses providing the names and addresses of comrades to the cops.
mb
anti-Semitism of the left
09.07.2008 14:07
such an apt Freudian slip from somebody backing a story blaming everything on the Jews
if mark is right about people having heard the story before the interview was broadcast then it just goes to show that the left is full of jew hating anti-semites
LoL
What is mb's agenda here apart from wanting to ridicule me?
09.07.2008 17:24
mb, U R entitled 2 yr opinion & repeat it upteem-times 4 what good it'll do
You seem to understand how I was not fully briefed about Natalie's story, and yet then seem to not consider this in terms of my arrest. Granted, I made a crucial mistake in not waiting to speak with a lawyer and the others (to undergo being held for 24hrs). However, again, this was because I made the mistake of believing the cops.
The plain truth is, if you are involving someone in helping out in a situation like this, to not fully brief them and then have them carry out a crucial, sensitive task leaving them in a potentially vulnerable position is actually more damning than anything else (both my acceptance of this arrangement and the lack of communication from others). What was not probably envisaged was that I, 1. would be arrested, and 2. by virtue of not actually knowing Natalie's story, to be suddenly caught in the middle of "a major investigation" that I would capitulate to the cop's argument that the woman I'd never met is a fantasist and believe them.
So, I was foolish yes, but I am not a traitor.
The definition of Traitor, as you provided it, being 'to deliver, to give up or surrender treacherously,
one who betrays any confidence or trust'. I did not supply information "treacherously", and that I believed what the police said because I had a paucity of information to think otherwise does not make me a traitor, I'm sorry. That I made a series misjudgement, I grant you. But you can call me any name under the sun you wish. However, I think you do the situation no favours harping on about this, if your only motivation is to continue to drag me through the mud. You've already established I am not someone you would choose to work with in future. We don't require you to continue repeating yourself on this; I am happy to know it is a view not shared by others who I have talked with face-to-face and know me for many years.
Also, don't be ridiculous; I am not asking all my colleagues to all to express their view in public? I simply said, if you want to continue this, then you know how to contact me; speak to me directly rather than on a public fora and I'll pass on whatever questions you have to others involved.
You said:
I don't believe many people had heard Natalie's Zionist conspiracy at all until Tony Goslings interview.
> on this, you are wrong (proving you are assuming you grasp full knowledge of the whole scenerio, when infact, you are simply gathered your information only from this thread)
Mark
give it a rest mark
09.07.2008 23:12
if ppl wont to think u r a snitch thats fare enouth realy as u did give the pigs info which is informing which is what a snitch does.
dont mater how many times u repeat yr excuses it not going to change ppls views
!
There is a time and a place. Is this it?
10.07.2008 01:25
Thread closed
Those involved haven't blamed me or accused me, FYI
10.07.2008 08:05
MB, yes, I disagree with yr choice of words because using the term "spineless traitor" is over excessive (gullible, stupid yes, traitor, no). That is why I have taken exception to this fragment of your summary of what a load of people who you have had no dealings with in this matter have been through. Since I already described myself this way before you did, quite why you've felt the need to wade in here on this thread with the frequency and manner you have done is regrettable.
For others, you may not think this is important in the wider scheme of events (ie. natalie and her kids), but I shouldn't have to put up with this crap. Sorry. final word.
mb said: "I notice that you vouched for Natalies story in this thread without ever having met her, simply on the basis of the interview it seems."
- Nope, that's not correct.
Finally, to the last commentator who said "thread closed", there's nothing been said here that the cops don't already know.
M
Sorry for repeat comments last-but-one
10.07.2008 08:20
Mark
quiet anger
10.07.2008 14:48
many of those involved and put at risk by you havent has a chance to speak to you since your arrest but rest assured anger and blame is being expressed and when you show your face i am sure you'll get to hear about it.
not amused
email me or hide in the shadows
12.07.2008 12:13
If you were centrally involved in this, you must have presided upon the original shambles that left me in the lurch.
Mark
Natalie Bracht in the Media again... the chase continues...
18.11.2008 02:27
They are after Natalie Bracht again, new push with mass media coverage and photo release now showing childrens faces hit the news stands today..17 Nov 08..
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1086655/Pictured-The-mother-young-girls-run-social-services-months.html
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5172912.ece
Who will help her???
Why won't the mainstream media expose the truth???
Sandi
e-mail:
sdammer@hotmail.com
several German papers print Bracht story last Thursday
22.11.2008 12:55
Mit fünf Töchtern untergetaucht
von Jasmin Fischer
Düsseldorferin flüchtete vor britischem Jugendamt, weil man ihr die Kinder wegnehmen will.
Nathalie Bracht auf einem Familienfoto mit ihren fünf Kindern. Die 35-Jährige ist mit den Mädchen auf der Flucht. (Foto: Northumbria Police) London. Die Geschichte der Düsseldorferin Natalie Bracht (35) gehört zu den mysteriösesten Krimis des Jahres. Seit einem halben Jahr ist die Mutter mit ihren fünf Kindern in England auf der Flucht. CIA und der israelische Geheimdienst sollen in ihr Schicksal verwickelt sein. Die Polizei sieht sie allerdings eher als Lügenbaronin mit Persönlichkeitsstörung statt als Bond-Girl – und jagt sie mit ungewöhnlichen Mitteln.
Die Ermittler haben die Bevölkerung gestern in einer groß angelegten Fahndung um Mithilfe gebeten. Fotos aus Überwachungskameras zeigen die Mutter mit fünf Töchtern auf der Flucht.
Aggressive Sozialarbeiter oder psychisch kranke Mutter?
„Natalie hat ihr Zuhause mit den Mädchen verlassen, nachdem sie erfahren hat, dass die Kinder durch eine richterliche Verfügung vorübergehend bei Pflegeeltern untergebracht werden sollten“, so der Chef der Northumbria Police, Ian Bentham. Seit sechs Monaten schlägt sich die Mutter im Untergrund durch, offenbar mit Hilfe von Sympathisanten. „Nach all der Zeit würden wir gerne wissen, ob es ihnen gut geht“, so Bentham.
Das klingt freundlich, ist es aber nicht. Der Fall der Mutter wirft stattdessen ein Schlaglicht auf aggressive Sozialarbeiter und übereifrige Jugendämter. Bracht ist am 26. Januar 2006 nach Großbritannien gekommen, angeblich mit großzügiger Unterstützung des Britischen Generalkonsulats Düsseldorf. Sie sagt, von der diplomatischen Vertretung mit Pässen, Wohnung und einer Sozialversicherungsnummer ausgestattet worden zu sein – eine Behauptung, die das Generalkonsulat von sich weist.
Ihre Probleme begannen angeblich, als ein Rabbi aus Newcastle, der in der Stadtverwaltung arbeitet, bei ihr auftauchte und versucht haben soll, sie als Spionin für den israelischen Auslandsgeheimdienst Mossad zu rekrutieren. Bracht soll sein Ansinnen abgelehnt haben. „Zwei Wochen später wurde unser Leben von oben nach unten gedreht“, sagt sie in einem Interview. Beamte aus dem britischen Innenministerium und Sozialarbeiter hätten die Kinder nach ihrem Lebenswandel befragt, nach Freunden der Mutter und ob sie am Wochenende eine „spezielle“ Schule besuchten. Nach fingierten Missbrauchsanzeigen soll Bracht schließlich das Sorgerecht entzogen worden sein.Der Vorsitzende einer Londoner Moschee, so ihre Version, habe sie nachts per Telefon gewarnt: Bracht schnappte sich die Kinder und flüchtete.
Nathalie Bracht: Deutsche Behörden sollen Fall beleuchten
So hanebüchen diese Geschichte klingt, so undurchsichtig ist auch Brachts Vergangenheit: Die 35-Jährige behauptet, ihr Vater sei israelischer Spion gewesen, ihr Ex-Mann sei Nuklearforscher. Der Journalist Tony Gosford, der sie interviewt hat, zeichnet hingegen das Porträt einer netten Frau und einfallsreichen Mutter: „Ich habe keine Ahnung, ob ihre Spionage-Geschichten stimmen. Sie will auf keinen Fall ihre Kinder verlieren, und wenn sie aus diesem Grund lügt, können wir ihr das nicht vorhalten.“
In dem Interview, das als Audio-Dokument im Internet kursiert, macht Bracht jedenfalls einen strukturierten und ruhigen Eindruck. Die Polizei hingegen warnt: Sie sei eine „theatralische Geschichtenerzählerin“.
Ob der „Agententhriller“ Auslöser der Flucht war oder – wie die Polizei es deutet – Beleg ihrer Persönlichkeitsstörung, wird sich so schnell nicht klären. Die 35-Jährige bittet indessen die deutschen Behörden, „den Fall aus einem anderen Blickwinkel“ zu betrachten als die Briten.
donny
Natalie "found safe and well"
24.11.2008 21:29
Ian
Homepage:
http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/
Natalie appears at a Muslim demonstration in Berlin on 5th July 2009
22.07.2009 23:01
The woman is Natalie Bracht (her name is not told in the clip), found lots of uk-articles from 2008 (plus 2 on german newspapers)
and Tony Gosling arrested in missing persons hunt
What I realy don't get: none of the articles tells that she is a Muslim but that she was disguised like a Muslim woman.
Now she claims to be muslim since 2005.
Also she tells that she grew up with a Jewish background. Her ex-husband is Jewish, but changed from left-liberal-minded to fundamentaistic-zionism (I learned that there are 2 fathers for her daughters).
Divided 2003, she got an offer for a job as a translator and moved to UK in 2006, getting British passports (because her father is British) for herself and her daughters and a flat. When she started the job she found out that her work is against her beliefs and rejected the job.
She made several other jobs for NGOs and lawyers. During this time Sunderland Social Services started to control her daughters, doing interviews and so on.
Also she tells about a Rabbi who contacted her several times, also that after a time offered her to change german passports versus Israeli -passports. After a time she found out that her former husband also was involved. She tells a lot about how she and her daughters was controlled, in the end she got a phone-call from a mosque (she means a person she knows working there) with the warning that the authorities are coming to take away her children.
At this point she (+daughters) left the flat. On the run she got help from different person, also groups of people and lived for a time at a "left"-community (don't know how to translate this).
She also tells about a reporter who was arrested after she had spoke with him.
Back in Gemany (Nov. 2008) the authorities took away her daughters and for 8 months she hasn't seen them, only got some letters from them where the girls tell that they miss her and dislike their circumstances.
Natalie Bracht says the children now live in a Home near Munich.
So this is just a short overview, her speech tells much more details.
Tony Gosling
Homepage:
http://www.public-interest.co.uk