On January 26 2007, Israeli historian Ilan Pappe gave a lecture at the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Pappe was in the Netherlands on invitation of United Civilians for Peace and Another Jewish Voice. On January 27 he presented his latest book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" in ABC Treehouse Gallery and On January 28, he lectured at Desmet in Amsterdam.

Download his lecture here: Part 1  http://webdisk.planet.nl/houck006/publiek/album/Lectures/Broadband/Ilan%20Pappe%201.mp3 (MP3) | Part 2  http://webdisk.planet.nl/houck006/publiek/album/Lectures/Broadband/Ilan%20Pappe%202.mp3 (MP3)

Pappe's book shows that in 1948, the Zionist movement waged a war against the Palestinian people in order to implement its long term plans of ethnic cleansing. The Arab world tried to prevent this cleansing, but was too fragmented, self-centered and ineffective to stop the uprooting of half of Palestine's native population, the destruction of half of its villages and towns and the killing of thousands of its people.

And since that ethnic cleansing was successfully implemented in almost 80% of Palestine without any global or regional repercussions - the ethnic cleansing policy continues ever since 1967 in the remaining 20% of the country. The book argues that since in the eyes of the world - including the State Department and the UN - ethnic cleansing is a crime against humanity, this how we should view the Israeli actions in the past and Israel's policies in the present.

Audio: Stan Houcke

Related Links

# Palestine 2007: Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank, Ilan Pappe (11 January 2007)  http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6374.shtml

# The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (2006)  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1851684670/theelectronic-20

 http://www.canstream.co.uk/sheffieldlive/loudblog/index.php?page=record2&do=edit&id=6279

Thanks to Gondwanasound

Thanks for the QA link but it asks for a password.

Is it possible to copy the mp3 to to indy?

Thanks

 http://www.canstream.co.uk/sheffieldlive/index.php?id=6279


I have got a local version of the Q&A and will get round to uploading in the next 24 hours

At the meeting I asked what Ilan Pappe thought of the analysis of people like James Petras who essentially says that the Iraq war isn't primarily about oil it's about the US acting in the interests of Israel, an analysis I don't agree with but one which you sometimes see here, for example see this debate:

Petras and Finkelstein: "The Lobby": AIPAC and US Foreign Policy
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/04/368300.html

I basically agreed with Ilan Pappe's reply that there were lots of motivations, though I think oil is by far and away the main one.

I also asked if Ilan Pappe had read The Hidden History of Zionism By Ralph Schoenman,  http://takingaimradio.com/hhz/ and he said he had recently read parts of it and that he though it was good and that it would be good to research documents to support the narrative in the book -- it is a piece of work proceeded his.

I haven't yet read The Hidden History of Zionism but I have listened to a lot of Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone's radio shows:

 http://takingaimradio.com/shows/audio.html

For regular coverage of what is happening in Palestine the Flashpoints radio show is outstanding:

 http://flashpoints.net/
 http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?show=9

See also this review of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Stephen Lendman from last year:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/02/361898.html

This week on Crossing The Line, it is one of the most charged words used to describe senseless death and destruction. It has been used to explain the tragic events of the Holocaust, The Killing Fields of Cambodia and more recently Rwanda. Of course, we're talking about Genocide.

But our guest today has now begun using the phrase “genocidal polices” to explain the ongoing siege in the Gaza Strip of the Palestinians by the Israeli military, noted Israeli historian and author Ilan Pappe join us to explain.

Then later in the podcast, The War's Toll, compiled and read by Scott Burgwin of The Stand Independent News Service, all of this and more straight ahead, but first the news from Palestine.

 http://media.libsyn.com/media/ctl/CTL_Podcast_Feb_29th.mp3
 http://electronicintifada.net/downloads/audio/080229-ctl-podcast.mp3

See also this recording from 2011:

Ilan Pappé: The Nakba revisited: past, present and future course of the Israeli - Palestinian conflict
 http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2011/05/479629.html