Consider this, I have been convincing people that the climate camp network is actually developing politically and that that stupid banner "make planes history" wasn't reflected of the camp or the movement as a whole. Now its used to publicise the national gathering I feel that it puts thing back a bit. Who honestly thinks we need to make planes history? How else would climate activists travel to international conferences?

Come on, lets have a bit more seriousness about what we are doing and show that our politics are maturing.

Why would you consider yourself in any way as more of a representative for the camp for climate action as these girls with their banner?!
For example, I personally don't see gaining political ground as an objective - but that's fine if you do. People are free to write what the fuck they like on a banner and climb up somewhere high and show it to others. They represent their views. Surely the point of using that photo here is to demonstrate that anyone can take any form of action they want to, in the overall goal of reducing the climate chaos to come. And it will come, which will make your moaning about a slogan seem very petty.
Finally, your remark about how will activists get to international conferences or whatever it was, makes me laugh. You seem to have views that are completely rooted within the existing political framework. Can't you imagine a day may come when people see no reason to travel abroad for such trifling things? Can't you imagine a world where feeder countries and consumer countries become self-sustaining countries instead (that disgusting situation we have now enrages me), with no need for flying?

Calm down,calm down,hehehe as some scousers would say. Although I dont totally agree with banner, its a sexy photo & we need sexy publicity.

Combustion engine & planes as they are shite.
Activists from climate camp including the most vociferous primitivists I know travel by jet for social as well activist reasons,rarely though we do it due to work time constrictions.
Encourage the rail-tunnel route under the Bering strait& more efficient rail, plus efficient tow boat & tow glider-airship technology.
As far as planes instead of investing in new war jets & unmanned aerial vehicles as military are doing, check Rolls Royce BAE Taranis billion dollar programme, we need to get them to invest in more efficient glider technology+gyroscopic,safe fuel cell aerial vehicles via protest & workers we have in these sectors.
Boeing has a manned lithium & fuel cell plane that goes 70mph, but it seems projects like this dont get dosh compared to military or fossil fool engines.


Any genuine primitivists consider what 6 billion people burning wood to stay warm would do, or are you secretly hoping for a disaster like eugenics situation?

undemocratic"consensus"history can be made at conferences & gatherings, voting systems for consensus using the internet need to be used more by EF-Climate campers.It seems to work well in unions like IWW

More good publicity & more controls on minority of abusive people who let their dogs shit everywhere & effort from everyone to make sites safer+ clean. Over years permaculture toilets have got better & alco rub is good thing on long camps often surrounded by angry coppers, solar showers have been lacking at some climate camp Ive been at.

Calm down,calm down,hehehe as some scousers would say. Although I dont totally agree with banner, its a sexy photo & we need sexy publicity.

Combustion engine & planes as they are shite.
Activists from climate camp including the most vociferous primitivists I know travel by jet for social as well activist reasons,rarely though we do it due to work time constrictions.
Encourage the rail-tunnel route under the Bering strait& more efficient rail, plus efficient tow boat & tow glider-airship technology.
As far as planes instead of investing in new war jets & unmanned aerial vehicles as military are doing, check Rolls Royce BAE Taranis billion dollar programme, we need to get them to invest in more efficient glider technology+gyroscopic,safe fuel cell aerial vehicles via protest & workers we have in these sectors.
Boeing has a manned lithium & fuel cell plane that goes 70mph, but it seems projects like this dont get dosh compared to military or fossil fool engines.


Any genuine primitivists consider what 6 billion people burning wood to stay warm would do, or are you secretly hoping for a disaster like eugenics situation?

undemocratic"consensus"history can be made at conferences & gatherings, voting systems for consensus using the internet need to be used more by EF-Climate campers.It seems to work well in unions like IWW

More good publicity & more controls on minority of abusive people who let their dogs shit everywhere & effort from everyone to make sites safer+ clean. Over years permaculture toilets have got better & alco rub is good thing on long camps often surrounded by angry coppers, solar showers have been lacking at some climate camp Ive been at.