The last article on this:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/02/390939.html

This is AntiDeustch NOT antifa as we may know it. They belittle and lie about the fact that 24,000 - 40,000 civilians were killed by the RAF and that included thousands of children!! For them to mock such things just because neo-nazis commerate the day is a joke.

Yes, confront the neo-nazi's and nationalists but do not lie about what dresden was, it was a slaughter of people in the name of British Imperialists wars the same as the slaughter of east londoners was in the name of Germane imperialists!!

Gegen AntiDeutsch! Gegen Nazi!

Anarchist Antifa

This gang of fools are not antifascists but a depressing and disgraceful leftist cult known as the 'anti Germans'. Anti-Deutsche are a strange self-flagellating bunch who think nothing can be done to redeem the german people over the holocaust, and they attack anyone who suggests that there is any sympathy to be had with any German person - either now or during the War. They take their idiocy to the point where they are making weird ethno-cultural assumptions exactly like the nazis! If they were communists or socialists of any stripe they would have got the part where 'workers have no nation', but then, they aren't. They think that in germany's case people born there are PREDESTINED to evil! That all germans, including those long dead and those not yet born, hate Jews. The flipside of this nationalist zero sum game is that Israel then, an do NO WRONG and that anyone who questions the actions of its government is (of course) a Jew hater. Even Jewish people who oppose Israeli govt actions, are jew haters. The Anti-Deutcsche know this, and can say this, depsite not being Jews...

They are scum and the fact that they are allowed to get away with this kind of horrible, racist and backward sort of thing is by now reflecting very badly on genuine german Antifas.

In closing - '50 people in the crowd were identified as neo nazis' - well, your definition of neo nazi is probably anyone who has ever seen a german flag, but even if you are right, why the fuck would you 'pelt them with paper planes'?! Why not wait til the service was over, then have it out with them elsewhere?

The answer is of course - because these anti-deustche idiots are no more than leftist stuntmen, not antifascists.

All through WW2 a Communist was telling me that the war was not against the German people, but against the Fascists and the Nazis. His best friend had been a German who Hitler would have put in a concentration camp. Unfortunately he did not name his friend.

After the war, around 1950 I visited East Berlin and was approached by a German who asked political questions about that British Communist County Councillor. I wondered who he was a spy for. He asked about Len Wincott who had been found a job as doorman at a Soviet Officers club in 1934. I told him that May Thomas had said to me that Len was a political innocent who should never have been recruited into the Communist Party, It is bloody odd that she made that remark a week or so before I went to that Festival in Berlin.

Turns out that Len was in a Gulag, you can read the confession he wrote to get out in the form of a book "Invergordon Mutineer".

The I can remember a Political Commissar from the International Brigade in Spain visiting and being very stressed. There were questions about what had happened to good people from Neath who had gone to fight in Spain. I was definately sent out to play while two active Communists discussed privately in the front room.

Work out for yourself why the anti-fascist Political Commissar was so stressed. And be very careful not to get so carried away by anti-fascism that you turn yourself into a fascist. If you do that, at least turn your fascist anti-fascism against the real fascist politicians who are really building Global Fascism. Politicians the SWP were not long ago telling us to vote for in those places where there was not an SWP candidate.

What a complete and utter disgrace to all those women and children and innocent civilians murdered! You are disgusting and there is not one anti-fascist nor anarchistic thing about this. Let people mourn their dead...


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PT Statement For Dresden Commemoration - Feb. 12th, 2005
February 12th, 2005

(On February 12, 2005, the people of Dresden, Germany gathered for the 60th commemoration of the firebombing of their city in World War II. Messages from all over the world were read on that occasion, including the message below from Peaceful Tomorrows.)

The members of September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows stand in solidarity with the people of Dresden as you commemorate the terrible losses you experienced 60 years ago. We also acknowledge the civilian deaths which occurred in Guernica eight years earlier.

As you gather at this time, we are also gathered for a commemoration of our own. It was three years ago, this weekend, that family members of September 11th victims created our organization, which sought to turn our grief into action for peace.

At that time, we recognized that powerful military forces were being unleashed against the world as a response to 9/11. We also knew that these forces, once set in motion, would lead to specific consequences--that countless innocent civilians would be killed or injured, refugees would be created, and generations of new children would carry new wounds. We believed that responding to the violence that took the lives of our loved ones would only create more violence.

Today, we see that our worst fears have been realized, and that the world is a more dangerous place because of the choices made since 9/11. As in Dresden, and as in Guernica, it is ordinary people who are doing most of the suffering and dying. It is ordinary people, and their children and grandchildren, who will continue to pay the price for the direction we have chosen.

Like you, the members of Peaceful Tomorrows have first-hand knowledge of the realities of terrorism and war. We seek to bring new approaches, new policies, and new solutions to the very old problems of violence among nations and among people.

We believe that it is individuals who possess the greatest power to effect such change. This power is greater than armies and more powerful than bombs. It knows no national boundaries, and finds common cause among all those who seek peace, communication and reconciliation with their fellow human beings.

Today, the members of September 11th Families are inspired by your courageous witness. It is easy for new generations to forget the lessons of history. It is our duty to remind them. We join you in this essential task.

With best wishes,

September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows
Gathered this weekend in Washington, DC, USA
February 12, 2005