Hiya CH

Are you still revealing posters identities by their IP addresss ? Never mind that, here you decrying a LibCom post. By claiming you make is Edinburgh council is run by the SNP.

Edinburgh is in fact run by Labour as stated. What a fucking idiot you are to act as an IM Scotland admin moderator and not to know that basic fact. And this after you defended the SWP/LibCom influence on IM Scotland ? Shame on you. To hell with the Lib Com fakers too, if I wanted to read the Edinburgh Eveing News then I would.

Fuckwits and fakers that you are.

Okay, I take that back about the council, the Lib Dems are in charge in an alliance with the SNP. I don't take it back that you have been abusing your admin privileges or that you are friends with the LibCom crowd though. Welsh Andy calls you his best friend so you are fooling nobody by quibling with their PR here. It must be nice to be recommended by a class traitor. Personally I miss when folk like you or 'John.' were happy to post SW links here - like last month.

RR: OK I see how the story could be intended that way. Wasn't my first reading though (obviously).

Ah... so mild criticism of LibCom PR, only to be retracted. And yet no acknowledgement that CH is themselves LibCom, best mates with WelshBoy according to him. Want to admit to using IM posters IP addresses to identify those who criticise you ? Cos I can prove you did that.

For any regulars here, it is best to treat IM Scotland as a state asset while CH is part of it.

Hey, On IM Scotland I just offered Plane Stupid some useful information, with the proviso that they only follow NVDA at airports.

This offer was hidden by CH since CH is a shit of the highest order. Still, I am probably the only activist who has crossed every runway in the north of Britain, and I do have specialist knowledge. If Plane Stupid are serious about shutting down airports safely then I do have some advice.

My advice to the IM collective is to watch out for folk who claim to decry LibCom while they actually support them, like CH does. I have to ask you CH , if LibCom is so brilliant that you always promote their reprints, then why do you pretend to oppose them ?

You fraud.

1. It's not a Libcom reprint it's a Freedom newspaper reprint. They co-operate from time to time (as does Freedom and Class War, the AF, Solfed, Black Flag, and indeed when Freedom puts its stories up on Indymedia direct) but share no personnel and are sperate entities.
2. Who gives a fuck where the news comes from if it's relevant and accurate?
3. Why are you wasting time slagging off Libcom anyway? If you don't like them, fine but this is supposed to be a newswire not an outlet for your personal vendettas.

"1. It's not a Libcom reprint it's a Freedom newspaper reprint. They co-operate from time to time (as does Freedom and Class War, the AF, Solfed, Black Flag, and indeed when Freedom puts its stories up on Indymedia direct) but share no personnel and are sperate entities."

My apologies then, there's been several 'LibCom reprints here that are actually just Edinburgh Evening news.

2. Who gives a fuck where the news comes from if it's relevant and accurate?

Aye, if.

3. Why are you wasting time slagging off Libcom anyway? If you don't like them, fine but this is supposed to be a newswire not an outlet for your personal vendettas.

I don't like the BNP or the SWP either. LibCom spams IM with every petty working dispute that has no relevance to either anarchism or activism. You support prison officers while decrying prisoners, you support arms manufacturers while decrying peace activist, you support

LibCom is a bunch of SWP entryists trying to coopt a wider movement now the SSP has sank, and consists of 'ex-SWP' who lie about their current contacts with the SWP. The decent people on LibCom demean themselves and their past by happily posting on a pseudo-site that is happy to host jokes about rape.

And m0ost of all - you do nothing but talk, talk talk like good and safe rebels.

Lots of You's in there Danny despite the fact I'm not even part of the Libcom collective.

I do however know them, apparently unlike you, and they are not swappie entrists to the activist movement that's a bizarre assertion to make. I think one of them is an ex-swp member, like a good 20% of the rest of the movement must be before they wised up, and that's it. Straight up libertarian otherwise. They don't even engage with activist events or people afaik, which generally is something entryists are supposed to do - where would they 'entry' a non-hierarchical series of disparate grouplets anyway?

If you must engage in these petty squabbles on IM at least avoid flinging untrue smears around, there's plenty of things Libcom can be criticised for and that isn't one of them.

And exactly how are working disputes irrelevant to anarchism? The whole point of anarchism, as far as I'm concerned, is to help wrench power and wealth from the hands of the elites and put it in the hands of the dispossessed - in short, to equalise society.

This is in part what success in workplace disputes does, along with the other benefits including increased solidarity amongst the working class (note this doesn't just include workers, it includes anyone who isn't a boss), better organising for future struggle and opportunities for the anarchist viewpoint to reach an audience which doesn't consist primarily of people with lots of spare time who can afford to run around fields all day 'being activists'. How is that less important than reporting on how half a dozen people stood outside their local garage with a banner for a couple of hours (no I'm not having a go at people who do that)?

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

"I think one of them is an ex-swp member, like a good 20% of the rest of the movement must be before they wised up, and that's it."

So you estimate that 1 in 5 in the movement is ex-SWP but only one member of LibCom is/was ? I don't agree with your first figure and I know your second figure is wrong.

For example, the LibCom admin denied having any contact with the SWP for over seven years and yet a week later here he is reposting Socialist Worker crap here -
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/liverpool/2007/09/380102.html

So the main guy at LibCom is claiming to be an anarchist while he is in fact one of the less than 8,000 people who read the SWP hymn sheet, certainly the only person here who pretends reprinting it is an anarchist act.

"And exactly how are working disputes irrelevant to anarchism? "

Have a look at that link - LibCom were supporting the prison officers. How the fuck is a bunch of prison officers getting better pay and conditions for oppressing their own class part of the anarchist struggle ? It isn't. It is in fact contrary to the anarchist struggle.

You know nothing of the sort Danny. I repeat, I know the various collective members, and not one of them is a current member of the SWP. Running Socialist Worker news articles ocassionally when they have something useful to say is not the same thing as being a paid up swappie.

What's more 'Libcom' did not support the prison guards. They republished one news article from the SW, in which (if you read carefully) the prison guards are heavily criticised for their repressive role and the walkout is simply used to call for similarly militant actions from other sectors of the workforce - there is no callout for solidarity action.

There was no Libcom statement issued on the collective's views one way or the other, and the only debate on it was in the forums, which they participate in but do not write the majority of the posts for. Are you suggesting they should have banned debate on the subject or denied it was happening?

Still waiting to hear how workplace solidarity is 'anti-working class' btw.

"I repeat, I know the various collective members, and not one of them is a current member of the SWP"
You aren't repeating yourself there, you originally claimed that only one member of LibCom is ex-SWP when I recognise far more than that - closer to your 20% figure. Whereas in the rest of the anarchists I know I'd put the percentage of ex-SWP at less than 1 %. To falsely imply that only one LibCom member is ex-SWP may have been an honest mistake on your part - but to then claim you had actually claimed something completely different is obviously deliberate deception.

Unless you have access to the SWP membership lists your subsequent claim that you know noone in LibCom is a current SWP member is at best unknowable.


"Running Socialist Worker news articles ocassionally when they have something useful to say is not the same thing as being a paid up swappie."

You have admitted the SWP use entryism ? That's a tactic where a small number of people infiltrate a bigger group, gravitate to the levers of power and take control of it.


"What's more 'Libcom' did not support the prison guards."

The "ex-SWP" (cough) LibCom admin did by publishing that Socialist Worker article here.


"Still waiting to hear how workplace solidarity is 'anti-working class' btw."

No, you are not waiting to hear it, you are waiting for your brain to process it. Workplace solidarity with prison officers is not the least bit anarchist, but it is the policy of the SWP. Next LibCom will be supporting the police in their pay demands. If there were concentration camps here then LibCom would be supporting better pay for the guards.

By the way, you also accuse me of a vendetta. Tthe word vendetta comes from the latin stem of 'vindictive' means a blood feud between two families which is hardly accurate. I recognised someone ex SWP from LibCom at a gig I'd organised recently, so I paid for their ticket and introduced them to the singer - but then they don't repost dodgy Socialist Worker articles. Everybody thinks it is so understandable to have been seduced by the SWP, but even when I was a youth I saw that as shameful. I was approached by a Socialist Worker sellers when I was 16 like everyone else was, but their patter was crap and it was hard not to humiliate them in the street. I'd sometimes buy a copy and flick through it, but it was out of pity like buying a Hare Krishna book. To still fall for that shit as an adult is even more shameful, but what is unforgivable is to masquerade as a libertarian while lokking, walking and quacking like a Swappie.