A few more links to the stuff. You must understand that being one of the world's renowned philosophers, Atzmon doesn't deny the holocaust. Oh no, merely the historiography (he's also an expert historian). However his friends aren't so sophisticated so they claim him as their own.

What is also clear, to me anyway, is that Atzmon has been moving closer to a holocaust denial position for some time. Eg. in his article 'From Esther to Aipac' he states:

"The Scholars who are engaged in the study of the Holocaust religion (theology, ideology and historicity), are engaged mainly with structural formulations, its meanings, its rhetoric and its historical interpretation. Some happen to search for the theological dialectic (Marc Ellis), others formulate the commandments (Adi Ofir), some learn its historical evolution (Lenni Brenner), other expose its financial infrastructure (Finkelstein). Interestingly enough, most scholars who are engaged in the subject of Holocaust religion are engaged with a list of events that happened between 1933-1945. Most of the scholars are themselves orthodox observants. Though they may be critical of different aspects of the exploitation of the Holocaust, they all accept the validity of the Nazi Judeocide and its mainstream interpretations and implications. Most of the scholars, if not all of them, do not challenge the Zionist narrative, namely Nazi Judeocide, yet, more than a few are critical of the way Jewish and Zionist institutes employ the Holocaust. Though some may dispute the numbers (Shraga Elam), and others question the validity of memory (Ellis, Finkelstein), no one goes as far as revisionism, not a single Holocaust religion scholar dares engage in a dialogue with the so-called 'deniers' to discuss their vision of the events or any other revisionist scholarship."
 http://www.counterpunch.org/atzmon03032007.html

'Most of the scholars, if not all of them, do not challenge the Zionist narrative, namely Nazi Judeocide...' I think that is pretty clear as to what Atzmon's real views are.

Atzmon first came to my attention when he came to the defence of the Deir Yassin Remembered group, from which Lea Tsemel, Michel Warshawski and Jeff Halper resigned because of the appointment of one Israel Shamir/Jermas. This is a group whose leading members such as Paul Eisen openly deny the Nazi holocaust. Yet in response to a simple question, viz. why he was distributing Eisen's Holocaust Wars he told me it was a 'great text'.

Atzmon is slowly being sunk by his own lies and obfuscations. He first came to my attention when he distributed an article 'Learned Elders of London' criticising Jewish anti-Zionists for having the temerity to criticise the out and out defenders of Holocaust Denial, viz. Israel Shamir and Paul Eisen.

Why should Atzmon have decided to bat for holocaust deniers and then take such umbrage at a motion at PSC last year to have no links with Deir Yassin Remembered (which the Exec in a statement took on board) unless he is sympathetic to them?

Tony Greenstein
 http://news.ronatvan.com/2008/01/15/sylvia-stolz-ernst-zundel%E2%80%99s-lawyer-jailed/

Sylvia Stolz, Ernst Zundel’s Lawyer Jailed!

A German court has sentenced the former lawyer of Ernst Zundel to three and a half years in prison for denying the Holocaust herself.

In addition to 3 1/2 years in prison, Sylvia Stolz has also been banned by the court from practicing law for five years. During the trial of the Holocaust revisionist scholar, Ernst Zundel , Stolz called the Holocaust "the biggest lie in world history".

Stolz has reportedly read a newspaper article to the court about the appearance of world renowned Israeli artist, Gilad Atzmon in Bochum.

In a public statement, Atzmon is quoted as having said that the written history of the Second World War and the Holocaust are a "complete forgery, initiated by Americans and Zionists".

Stolz represented 67-year-old Zundel in his first trial in Germany and was banned from the court for allegedly trying to sabotage the proceedings. Zundel's second trial ended in February, 2007 with his conviction for denying the Holocaust and was sentenced to the maximum five years in prison.

II. The Relation of Media Contents to the Confrontation Between Dr. Rigolf Hennig and the OMF-BRD.

A total revision of history worldwide is beginning as an insurrection against Jewish world dominance. As a result of this, the demand of the German Reich for reinstatement of its ability to function will be acknowledged. The realization of historical revision will then be inevitable.

A few days ago, on 27 November 2005, Gilad Atzmon introduced the most radical blow that has as yet been struck against the political indoctrination forced on us.

This is to be found in Exhibit No. 1 . Because he is himself a Jew and highly esteemed worldwide, his words carry especial weight. In his appeal to the Germans he is quoted as follows: "In Israel, one is imprisoned if one disagrees with official opinion."

This is particularly true with regard to the past. In his books, Gilad Atzmon attempts to "rearrange this past." He describes the historiography of the Second World War and Holocaust, so familiar to us, as a complete falsification invented by Zionists and Americans. He shows that the real enemy was not Hitler but Stalin.

The Germans must finally realize this and stop feeling guilty -- and above all, to stop feeling responsible. "It is You who are the victims" Atzmon says.

He reminds the Germans that the bombing attacks on German cities took place because the Americans had plenty of bombs and wanted to use them; the same happened in Vietnam and now in Afghanistan and Iraq. He reiterates that the true evildoers of our time are George W. Bush, Tony Blair and Ariel Sharon.
(Source: Ruhrnachrichten (News of the Ruhr,) Bochum, Tuesday, November 29, 2005

 http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters1/Mahler/Hennig_engl.htm

Ziss Aetzenmann iss korrekt, "the written history of the Second World War and the Holocaust are a 'complete forgery, initiated by Americans and Zionists."

It iss a fery little known fact zat ze AJP in AJP Taylor stends for "A Jewish Propagandist".

I thought this whole anti-Atzmon thing was just supposed to be nothing more than Tony Greenstein's one-man personal campaign, and that the proper way to respond was to attack Tony Greenstein. At least, that's what Atzmon keeps telling anyone who'll listen, and there are people who bought it.

I didn't realize that Tony Greenstein worked for the Iranian press. I guess it shouldn't surprise me; everybody knows what a hotbed of hard right-wing Zionism that Iranian press is, so naturally they'd hire Tony.

Either that, or the whole "it's really just Tony's campaign against me" thing just doesn't wash, and Gilad Atzmon really is an antisemite.

No, that couldn't possibly be it, now could it.

@%<

Sorry for the long post but it’s necessary to debunk the lies of Rizzo, Knuckles and FTP.
If FTP is Mary Rizzo’s little echochamber, then Mary Rizzo is Atzmon’s faithful groupie. And of course we have Knuckles intervening to redirect people to Kahanist sites (they’re the Zionists who adopt wholesale the Nazi Nuremburg programme).

I see FTP hasn't apologised for his abuse yesterday, but maybe he thinks he deserves congratulations for going on a demonstration rather than supporting the Palestinians. But he is an irrelevance and more a problem for Indymedia since it now has as a Moderator someone who explicitly defends a holocaust denier.

FTP echoes the absurdity of Rizzo’s main point. He objects to me quoting as others do from Holocaust Revisionist sites. Why not? If these people think Atzmon and co. are friends why shouldn’t we quote them? I quote from Adolf Eichmann’s interview with Wilhelm Strassen to demonstrate his relationship with the Hungarian Zionist collaborator, Rudolph Kastner. Why not? And it’s a strange complaint coming from them. Atzmon posts all the time to Revisionist and Conspiracy sites. Take his ‘The Embarrassing Case of Tony Greenstein’  http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=6145
which of course is a personal attack on me as he defends the holocaust deniers of Deir Yassin Remembered, Paul Eisen in particular. And what is the article in the column besides Atzmon’s masterpiece by Theodore O’Keefe but ‘The Liberation of the Camps’!!

It states:
‘Dr. Larson's findings? According to an interview he gave to an American journalist in 1980, "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax."(2) And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater,"(3) informed "Wichita Eagle" reporter Jan Floerchinger that there "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." (4) Neither Dr. Larson nor any other forensic specialist has ever been cited by any Holocaust historian to substantiate a single case of death by poison gas, whether Zyklon-B or any other variety. TYPHUS, NOT POISON GAS
If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish?

I think you will get the message. Atzmon is more than happy to lie down with dogs and get up with fleas and Rizzo is happy to defend him and FTP will repeat whatever they say!
The idea that Atzmon, Rizzo or any of the others object to going to holocaust denier sites would be amusing if it weren’t so sad. They do it all the time. I have said, and I say it again, that I don’t know whether the documents from the Hennig trial and the Adelaide site are true. Circumstantially a lot of what is said is true, not least that there was a walkout from Atzmon’s concert in Germany and as someone said Germans understand English very well.

But even if the accounts of what Atzmon said are not correct, and one of Atzmon’s deliberate strategies is to wrap what he says in obscurity so he can’t be pinned down, why is it that these holocaust denial sites and holocaust deniers like Zundel’s lawyer, Sylvia Stolz, believe Atzmon is on their side? Because Atzmon has spent the past 3 years at least defending Holocaust deniers in the Palestine solidarity movement – Eisen, Shamir and DYR.

It is noticeable again that Rizzo avoids any mention of the quote in the Esther article on her site, where Atzmon specifically legitimates Holocaust revisionist historians. But the idea that quoting from revisionist sites is not allowed is very convenient for someone like Rizzo who allows all sorts of holocaust deniers and anti-Semites to post on her site, who posts articles trying to tie every government scandal in Britain to ‘Jewish’ money [yes there are plenty of anti-Semitic articles on your blog Rizzo - the Tories were equally corrupt as New Labour when in government] In fact the Tories took cash from Mohammed Fayed among others. Would she have talked about ‘Arab’ money? The Jewish Chronicle did once in connection with the Greater London Council’s anti-Arab racism conference. It talked about Arab money. Know what? I took them to the Press Council and was the only person to gain an adverse ruling against the Jewish Chronicle. But these creatures, instead of opposing Zionist racism merely emulate it. To them capitalismmeans ‘Jewish’ capitalism.

And then of course ‘Knuckles’ Atzmon’s postbox posts links to 4 Zionist sites and not just any, but those set up by supporters of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, who made discussion of transfer respectable by saying Israel could be a Jewish or a Democratic state but not both. Well Knuckles revealed himself as a full holocaust denier on the Socialist Unity site. Take this:

 http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=1488
While we’re at it, knuckles, please explain why you have concluded I am a Jew.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 5:08 pm

And you really don’t think there’s the slightest ethical problem when Gilad Atzmon says that we may as well consider “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” true because it accurately describes American Jewry?

That’s not what he actually said, but yes, I think that piece of Atzmon writing is one of his BEST. It certainly gives great insight into the antisocial behaviour of the Greensteins, Maccoby’s and Rances of this world, non???

And you really don’t think there’s the slightest ethical problem when Atzmon distributes Paul Eisen’s essay promoting Holocaust denial, and then says he has only “slight differences” with it?

yes indeed, I regard Paul as an ethical man whose work deserves to be very well distributed, but then again, I’m not a FASCIST with an agenda to shut up anyone I don’t agree with, unlike you. Once again, try providing the evidence that Paul promotes holocaust denial.

And you really don’t think there’s a slight ethical problem when Atzmon embraces the “the Jews killed Christ” theme that led to so many medieval — and not so medieval — pogroms?

Not really. Who do you imagine killed Christ, the Germans? the Palestinians?

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 5:19 pm

knuckles: “Who do you imagine killed Christ, the Germans? the Palestinians?”

Try the Roman occupiers.

knuckles: “I really don’t give a fuck who killed who 2000 years ago, or even 60 years ago.”

Ah. “Ah. Holocaust — who gives a fuck?” Is that a fair statement of your stance, knuckles? You’re continuing to demonstrate the sort of person one has to be to support Atzmon.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 5:51 pm

knuckles: “why shold I care if u r jewish or not, sands?”

Sorry, no, no backpedalling. I wouldn’t be asking that question if you hadn’t decided to call me and this site “Jewish.” I’m simply trying to find out what you mean by it. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have bothered to write it and post it.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

sands: Read the goddamned essay, knuckles. It’ll open your eyes. It’s textbook stuff.

knuckles: oh, I’ve read the essay, little one. Now come up with the written EVIDENCE of holocaust denial you claim is part of that text. You are making a lot of accusations here. Now back them up.

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 6:04 pm

sands:
knuckles: “I didn’t actually “call” you jewish, which you seem to regard it as some sort of insult.”

Don’t play stupid, knuckles. You said I, JSF, and SU have “sensitive Jewish ears.” You’re not going to try to claim that you actually meant I keep a spare pair of them in my pocket, are you? That kind of mendacious equivocation is popular among Atzmon’s followers — after all, who would support him otherwise? — but I don’t think it’s going to fly here.

knuckles: “Now come up with the written EVIDENCE of holocaust denial you claim is part of that text.”

It’s all over the text, as I believe most readers of this site who take the time to look at it would agree. But it’s not my purpose here to prove what most of us already know, that Paul Eisen is a Holocaust denier. I just wanted to get you on record as demonstrating that you can’t see it, because of what that tells us about what it takes for someone to support Atzmon.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 7:04 pm

Paul Eisen is not a Holocaust denier, and it’s obvious that you cannot find anything he has written which proves him one. Tut tut, such a lot of hot air, Sands.

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 7:26 pm

knuckles: “Paul Eisen is not a Holocaust denier, and it’s obvious that you cannot find anything he has written which proves him one. Tut tut, such a lot of hot air, Sands.”

Tony Greenstein insert: But on Rizzo’s own site Eisen says:
Regarding gas, again I am not sure but the evidence for the use of homicidal gas-chambers is not good at all. The evidence against it is much, much stronger.

These are complex issues. To begin to acknowledge that would be a start.
paul | 02.26.07 - 7:03 pm | #
 http://www.haloscan.com/comments/thecutter/117192641046077827/


Wonderful! Keep digging. You’re doing marvelously. But don’t stop. There may still be a reader or two left who doubts your appalling blindness.

Meanwhile, please explain how this lie-filled paragraph from Eisen is not clearly intended to argue against the existence of homicidal gas chambers: “Nothing seems to fit about the gassing story. The numbers of victims crammed into the space (*), the design and construction of the gassing facilities (*), the lack of protection for the attendants (*), the implausibility surrounding the rate of cremation (*), the huge errors, omissions and disparities in eye-witness accounts (*) — all these and more, when added to the near total absence of hard affirmative evidence, makes one wonder why anyone believed such a story in the first place. No-one has yet been able to explain how a gas chamber worked (*). No-one has been able to explain how pellets of Zyklon B were poured into holes (*) that do not and never have existed (*). No-one has been able to explain how the Sonderkommando (special detachment) of Jewish prisoner/attendants was able to enter a gas chamber immediately (*), (even wearing gas masks which do not offer anything like proper protection, especially when the wearer is active), after a mass gassing to remove the bodies, even though such an environment would have been an ocean of hydrogen cyanide (*). The deadly gas would have still been everywhere and particularly in the soft tissue of the corpses (*).”

Each asterisk is a lie that was debunked in the David Irving trial. Each lie is also standard issue for Holocaust deniers. Yet this is the anti-semitic garbage the anti-semite Atzmon had only “slight differences” with.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 7:47 pm

Sands - And you really don’t think there’s the slightest ethical problem when Gilad Atzmon says that we may as well consider “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” true because it accurately describes American Jewry?

knuckles - I have a problem when you blatantly LIE, sandman, Gilad has never said the protocols are TRUE, he said they were IRRELEVANT.

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 7:58 pm

Sorry, knuckles, I’ve just laid out in detail a paragraph of standard, straight-from-the-playbook Holocaust denial from Paul Eisen, lie after lie after lie of it, the essay you said you could not find any Holocaust denial in, and your response is to wordlessly change the subject.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

And no, you haven’t proved Paul is a holocaust denier with that paragraph. Tough, keep trying though, as that is your chief concern - while Nablus and Gaza burn and the butcher rabbi sharpens his blades for the next slaughter session.

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

Those of us familiar with the sort of shit that floats on the surface of Knuckles/Atzmon’s sewer-like thought processes will recognise the basis of his pretence that Eisen is not a holocaust denier. It rests on the claim that when Eisen states, in the article referred to, that “Regarding gas, again I am not sure but the evidence for the use of homicidal gas-chambers is not good at all. The evidence against it is much, much stronger”, this does not amount to holocaust denial.

So therefore the statement; “Regarding ethnic cleansing in 1948, again I am not sure but the evidence for the deliberate explusion of the Palestinians is not good at all. The evidence against it is much, much stronger” would not amount to Naqba denial.

The statement; “Regarding human rights abuses by the IDF in the West Bank and Gaza, again I am not sure but the evidence for breaches of the Geneva Convention is not good at all. The evidence against it is much, much stronger” would also not amount to apologetics for the occupation.

The statement; ‘Regarding institutional racism against Palestinian citizens of Israel, again I am not sure but the evidence for racism in access to state land, in the allocation of government funding and in public employment is not good at all. The evidence against it is much, much stronger” would not amount to denial of racist treatment of Arabs in Israel.

The statement ‘Regarding those who claim the world is round, again I am not sure but the evidence that it is globe-shaped is not good at all. The evidence against is much, much stronger’ would not qualify you for membership of the Flat Earth Society.

And of course the statement; “Regarding Atzmon’s intellectual coherence and grasp of the elementary rules of logic, again I am not sure but the evidence for his sanity and rationality is not good at all. The evidence against it is much, much stronger.” would not amount to concluding that he is a deranged and intellectually dishonest provcateur’.

Apart from which, readers of this site will learn all they need to know about Knuckles/Atzmon’s real politics from his throwaway observation; ‘Why do you find it so hard to believe that jews can be genocidal, Sands? Did you forget about the bolsheviks who wiped out millions and millions and MILLIONS of people?’

Comment by Stephen Marks — 10 January, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

yawn…. knuckles is not atzman and atzman is not knuckles.

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 9:49 pm

Sands: Each asterisk is a lie that was debunked in the David Irving trial.

Not one single thing was ‘de-bunked’, sands. Now YOU explain to all of us just how they managed to do it. Answer the questions Eisen is asking!

Comment by knuckles — 10 January, 2008 @ 10:10 pm

Where does Atzmon find these people?

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 10:13 pm

knuckles: “Not one single thing was ‘de-bunked’ [in the Irving trial], sands.”

You really are quite an ignoramus, aren’t you. Well, I’ve given you an excellent place to start learning about the Holocaust denial movement and why Eisen is unquestionably part of it. Have at it.

Comment by goodwin sands — 10 January, 2008 @ 10:23 pm

Having said that, Eisen asks some very pertinent questions about the so-called Holocaust, particularly the official Zionist narrative, which is full of holes. As this is a subject YOU brought up (so very TYPICAL), and since your are such an expert on the minutae of how the nazis managed to pull off the greatest disappearing trick in history, please ANSWER Paul Eisen instead of panicking and refering us to other texts. ….

Nothing seems to fit about the gassing story. The numbers of victims crammed into the space (*)
Please explain..

, the design and construction of the gassing facilities (*),
Please explain…

the lack of protection for the attendants (*),
please explain

These are all very legitimate questions which you are not able to answer. You believe people who ask them should be locked up for life or better still crucified, right? hahahaha….. Referring me to some trial notes won’t do, little one.

The implausibility surrounding the rate of cremation (*), the huge errors, omissions and disparities in eye-witness accounts (*) — all these and more, when added to the near total absence of hard affirmative evidence, makes one wonder why anyone believed such a story in the first place. No-one has yet been able to explain how a gas chamber worked (*). No-one has been able to explain how pellets of Zyklon B were poured into holes (*) that do not and never have existed (*). No-one has been able to explain how the Sonderkommando (special detachment) of Jewish prisoner/attendants was able to enter a gas chamber immediately (*), (even wearing gas masks which do not offer anything like proper protection, especially when the wearer is active), after a mass gassing to remove the bodies, even though such an environment would have been an ocean of hydrogen cyanide (*). The deadly gas would have still been everywhere and particularly in the soft tissue of the corpses (*).”

Comment by knuckles — 11 January, 2008 @ 12:46 am

TG: In fact everything Knuckles posts is standard Holocaust Denial stuff. So now it's all in the open. Eisen is clearly a holocaust denier and so is Knuckles and Rizzo defends him and FTP proves he is capable of defending anything. The nonsense above is just that. E.g. the Auschwitz gas chambers were built with powerful pumps to get rid of the gas. so there would be no gas left. How the gas chambers operated was simple, except to Eisen and his fellow deniers. You drop pellets through an aperture in the roof into a sealed chamber. They automatically turn to gas. As simple as that. The David Irving trial was important because Irving was a respected, albeit right-wing/fascist historian. he lost his reputation because he distorted and mangled sources. But even he admitted that gas was used to kill people, something Rizzo and now FTP are happy to pretend is not the case or rather that it is open to debate.


The propoganda around the holocaust narrative reminds me of something about that famous posed shot of the first astronauts on the moon, with the stinking US flag fluttering in the WIND in the background. heh heh. I suppose you’d swear on your auntie Rachel’s life that that was also authentic, huh, Sands? Like the South Easter is blowing up there on the moon! Don’t be such a SUCKER. Now tell us how they got rid of 6 million bodies, was it all made into soap and lampshades, dear boy? ahahahahahah

Comment by knuckles — 11 January, 2008 @ 1:25 am

Wow. I couldn’t have asked for you to self-destruct even a bit more completely than you have, knuckles. Are there any other facets of Holocaust denial you’d like to embrace while you’re at it?

Thanks for showing so plainly what an Atzmon supporter is like once you get behind the “anti-Zionism.”

Comment by goodwin sands — 11 January, 2008 @ 2:00 am

You just can’t answer Eisen’s questions, can you Sands? So far nobody has been able to.

[Knuckles can only say this because he has never read anything by people who have answered Eisen's simple questions and more. 'Nobody has been able to'. Perhaps he might read the transcript of the Irving trial? or the sites which do indeed rebut this first form rubbish. E.g.  http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/


But maybe you can tell us why it is SO important for you to show that the nazis were WORSE than The truth is that the nazis were NOT worse, sands. You know that. There simply IS no precendent for the sick Israeli state, built on the blood and bones and tears of the Palestinians.

Comment by knuckles — 11 January, 2008 @ 3:33 am

[TG: what nonsense. Knuckles demonstrates that his/her brains are in his knuckles. Has s/he never heard of the Belgian congo when 10m Africans died? Or South Africa or the USA and the Indians? Israel unfortunately is not unique so to say there is no precedent for what it does is more rubbish]

And what’s your opinion about the difference between mass murderes Golda Meir and Hitler? They both had moustaches, they both were mass murderers, and both thought they were leading some sort of Chosen or superior Race, not so? The only difference I can spot is that Hitler acknowledged the existence of the undermenschen, whereas Frau Meir pretended they didn’t even EXIST. That’s even worse. We can rather talk about begin and Sharon if you prefer, some nice commonalities there with the nazis too.

Comment by knuckles — 11 January, 2008 @ 10:05 am

You’re doing just splendidly, knuckles. Flawless. Keep up the good work.

Any pro-Atzmoneans want to step up and defend what knuckles is saying about the Holocaust?

How ’bout it, Mary Rizzo? How ’bout it, Gilad “Here’s some Holocaust denial material from Paul Eisen to read” Atzmon? Is your boy knuckles onto something when he quotes Eisen quoting Fred Leuchter?

Comment by goodwin sands — 11 January, 2008 @ 1:58 pm

Sands, remember you have not been able to answer one single question posed in Eisen's essay. Not a single one. And when they were repeated on SU, you panicked and refered us to the Irving trial, as though that proves anything at ALL!

If you indeed have a brain in your head, as you seem to want us all to believe, why don't you show your evidence for these outrageous claims?

No, your problem with Paul is not the content of his essay, as you cannot argue with it, you have a problem with the fact that he QUESTIONS the official Zionist narrative of the Holocaust, which is FULL OF HOLES.

You would like to see any scholar who actually asks questions either locked up for life, or crucified, not so?????
knuckles | 01.11.08 - 6:32 pm | #

Goodwain Sands has a good point here.

All those who earlier were saying that Gilad Atmon is not an anti-Semite have gone completelly quiet when exposed to the skull behind the mask.

Whoever Knuckles is, this is the true logic of Atzmon’s supporters, undisguised anti-Semitism.

in am closing this thread now becasue I have had enough shit, and thank you to Goodwin Sands for combatting the filth


And what is Atzmon’s response? An attack on Goodwin Sands and a defence of Knuckles. Not surprising is it? ‘We do not give a toss about your gas obsession’. Now who is going to pretend that Atzmon doesn’t defend Holocaust deniers? And from there it is but a short step to holocaust denial. After all, according to Atzmon Knuckles isn’t a denier so who is? Maybe Rizzo can answer?
 http://www.haloscan.com/comments/thecutter/8761647492477468265

Gaswind Sound, we do not give a toss about your gas obsession. if symptoms keep coming back either change your diet a see a doctor, and now bounce back to your social Jewnity shetetle...
Gilad Atzmon | 01.15.08 - 1:50 am | #

Mary i have seen this Goodwin on Socialist Jewnity..he is as stupid as a brick (like most of them) .. if he manages to come with answers we should publish them. Just for the laugh...let's wait and see.

It is pretty funny, all those socialist crypto Zios are as well H scholars... they know what, how when and how many...

But they never come up with an answer...their Job is to maintain the Zio H narrative in the left... somehow, it doesn't work anymore.
Gilad Atzmon | 01.11.08 - 7:27 pm | #

And what is the ‘Zio H Narrive in the left’ which doesn’t work anymore? The idea that millions died in the extermination camps? Don’t worry there won’t be an answer from Rizzo, not least until she has consulted with Atzmon and asked Knuckles do post a few more Zionist links!

And like Atzmon, Knuckles of course entitles ‘Socialist Unity’ ‘Socialst Jewnity’. Ah these opponents of racism and anti-Semitism!

Goodwin you are not a leftist, you are a self loving joker like Greenslime and the others..., Now go back to your cyber shtetle and give us a break...

I am happy i circulated Eisen and he is indeed a friend of mine. Knuckles (a woman by the way) is right, is another friend of mine and she says that the only H that is relevant for us is the one in Pls and in Iraq!!! I agree with her. and if you cannot see it, then f**k off. you have nothing to do here, this blog is all about Pls and Pls related issues!!!
Gilad Atzmon | 01.12.08 - 1:10 am | #

TG: Now someone who has no knowledge of much of this posts that Knuckles is a holocaust denier. But he gets the Atzmon abuse nonetheless as Atzmon defends Knuckles and holocaust denial. that is why I say out aloud now that Atzmon is a holocaust denier.

I have no involvement in whatever internet squabbles this blog has had with others but this is just fucking sick.

You people have no shame.

I also notice you let the openly anti-Semitic Holocaust denier 'knuckles' post here without criticism. Says all anyone needs to know about your vile politics.
Duncan Money | Homepage | 01.12.08 - 3:45 pm | #


TG: And what is Atzmon’s response?

 http://www.haloscan.com/comments/thecutter/4038461789323539047
Duncan on the Money: I also notice you let the openly anti-Semitic Holocaust denier 'knuckles' post here without criticism. Says all anyone needs to know about your vile politics.


Mr Money, you see, here in PePa we do not take the labels: anti Semite and H denier very seriously. Every visitor who comes with this crap identifies himself as a Zionist or a crypto one..

However, it is very possible that Knuckles doesn’t love Jews in particular and I wonder, is it a crime? Don’t you think that loving Jews in particular is a form of discrimination (of others) i.e. racism? In Pepa w e love people for what they do, rather than who they are!!

However, I am not familiar with the entirety of knuckles’ cyber life, but I must admit that I have never seen her engaged in any form of H denial. I have seen her saying that she doesn’t care that much about people who died 60 years ago. She instead cares about the current genocide in Iraq and in Palestine, is this what you call H denial? I ve seen her as well questioning the Zionist H narrative, is this a denial? Just let us know so we learn more about the emerging Zio discourse.
Gilad Atzmon | 01.12.08 - 8:00 pm | #


>>By the way, my take on the subject is slightly different than Greenstein's one..

I hadn’t been aware of Knuckles holocaust denial until recently. It is very clear that s/he is a holocaust denier and equally clear that Atzmon defends her/him. That is why I have said that regardless of what happened in Germany, even were it untrue, Atzmon is now a holocaust denier and Rizzo is his apologist and FTP is what socialists used to call a useful idiot.

Tony Greenstein

ftp, channeling Daffy Duck: "I won't be apologising for anything - I do despise you, you are despicable...... "

You're letting your obvious and undisguised hatred for Tony the anti-Zionist crusader not only swoon you into claiming he's a "crypto-Zionist" -- which anyone with an IQ greater than that of a baked potato can see is not the case -- but into defending the antisemite Gilad Atzmon's defense of the Holocaust denier Paul Eisen.

Atzmon is quite sure that his "good friend" Paul Eisen isn't a Holocaust denier, and that his essay "should be circulated as widely as possible." Just a few days ago he said, "I am happy i circulated Eisen and he is indeed a friend of mine."

So if you're so sure that this whole business is just "Zionist censorship," why not put your spine where your mouth is and post Eisen's "Holocaust Wars" essay here? Atzmon would want you to. He thinks *it's* innocent, and you think *he's* innocent. If you're so sure that Atzmon isn't defending a Holocaust denier, it seems like that would be a good way for you to prove it.

C'mon, Peeps. You're sure you're sure, aren't you?

Atzmon is quite sure that his "good friend" Paul Eisen isn't a Holocaust denier, and that his essay "should be circulated as widely as possible." Just a few days ago he said, "I am happy i circulated Eisen and he is indeed a friend of mine."

So if you're so sure that this whole business is just "Zionist censorship," why not put your spine where your mouth is and post Eisen's "Holocaust Wars" essay here? Atzmon would want you to. He thinks *it's* innocent, and you think *he's* innocent. If you're so sure that Atzmon isn't defending a Holocaust denier, it seems like that would be a good way for you to prove it.

Is it your position that Paul Eisen is *not* a Holocaust denier -- that is, he's *not* recycling the same standard lies about the Holocaust as David Irving, Zündel, Faurisson, and the rest of that swastika-kissing gang?

Atzmon has just said again that he's glad to have distributed the Eisen essay. Have you read it? I think you'd have a very hard time indeed praising Atzmon for having distributed it if you knew what was really in it. I think you'd have to give the whole Atzmon thing some pretty hard thought if you knew what was in it.

Have you read it? Here it is:  http://www.zundelsite.org/zundel_persecuted/may20-05_eisen.html

If your guy Gilad's on the up and up, you have nothing to fear by reading it, do you.

Whatever you do, don't miss this one...

Tony Greenstein in 3 Easy Steps

 http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2007/04/tony-greenstein-in-three-easy-steps.html

see the comments at

 http://another-green-world.blogs...e-place- in.html

Lively discussion...last 6 comments at

 http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2006/09/michael-forrest-on-sungenis-and-jews.html