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Interview: Atzmon on Indymedia

ftp | 04.12.2007 23:55 | Indymedia

This interview was recorded in London on 30th November 2007.

In the interview Atzmon discusses, amongst other things, The article that Tony Greenstein wants hidden/deleted, his latest article on zionism and the Bund, the impact of his experience of growing up in Israel, and the Palestinian solidarity movement in the UK.

Article on Indymedia
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/08/378213.html

The Politics of Anti-Semitism: Zionism, the Bund and Jewish Identity Politics
 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/12/the-politics-of-anti-semitism-zionism-the-bund-and-jewish-identity-politics/

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Great interview with a truth-teller

05.12.2007 09:04

Thanks Indy, for having the guts to do this interview with one of the great truth-tellers of our time. Gilad Atzmon is indeed a courageous and independent thinker. As the water wells grind to a halt, the hospitals stop working and the lights go out one by one in Gaza, this is an excellent reminder of where our priorities should be.

Edna
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O dear

05.12.2007 09:27

O dear, poor old ftp - aka freethepeeps (real name Roy Bard) not content with day and after day embarrassing the UK Kollective with his near obsession with all things Jewish now the whole Tony Greenstein / Gilad Atzmon affair has finally pushed him over the edge !

He set up a blog, commented on news sites and spammed web pages all over the world trying to defend his indefensible position on Jews and now he has taken to making crappy recordings of Atzmon while at the same time other IMC Admins look at their feet in embarrassed silence as they consider the daily damage being done to the Indymedia reputation by his ignorance and fear of Jews.

Of course he will feel better knowing he has the support of David Duke and Jordan Thornton who like to use the word Zionist to excuse their bigotry - strange bedfellows indeed but then I suppose when fighting the great Jewish machine which is really running the world and US foreign policy you need all the friends you can get don't you Roy ?

We wonder when the other admins will show some guts, some backbone and some character and finally show this man the door - next week, next month, next year ? Don't hold your breath. The last two admins who put their heads above the parapet were hit with a near libelous serious of personal attacks that caused them both to leave the Stalinist Junta running the UK site and wash their hands of the project.

How long before somebody has the guts to stop the UK site being turned into Roy's webpage so he can spend all his time defending and supporting those individuals who see the great Jewish conspiracy everywhere ?

An excellent post on Roy's own blog put it nicely,

"It seems clear that there’s a strange imbalance here. Those who are calling Atzmon an antisemite come from all places on the political spectra — left, center, right; Zionist, anti-Zionist; one-state, two-state; assimilationist, non-assimilationist. But those who celebrate Atzmon come from only two particular dots: anti-Zionist one-staters assimilationists, and Jew-hating stormtroopers like David Duke. Those are the two points on the spectra from which all of Atzmon’s support derives."

As Indymedia continues to descend into the pigswill of anti-antisemitism while the original founders walk away having been pushed into the wilderness the only good news is that Roy's attempt to defend his views have bought him and the anti-semitic nature of Indymedia to a wider audience, an audience who are now gearing up to fight the Fascism of the Left when it attempts to portray itself as something else.

Good luck you are going to need it



No to Facism and Racism in all its forms


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Edna/Gilad/Knuckles

05.12.2007 10:21

Not shameless self-promotion honest!

Keep it up FTP. You're doing a great job of wrecking this place.

Hahahahahaha!


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compare and contrast

05.12.2007 16:31

 http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/11/29/p21479

 http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/09/17/p19568

Freethepeeps, incidentally, listed "The People's Voice" as one of those supposedly progressive, not-at-all-antisemitic sites that welcomes the writing of Gilad Atzmon. Seems that Freethepeeps has a much different definition than most people of what constitutes "progressive." And apparently he's got a much different definition of antisemitism, if he can not only talk to Atzmon without puking.

Meanwhile, Atzmon tells us on Socialist Unity that he's "not against Jews, just against Jewishness."

And folks like peeps eat that up, call him a hero, and beg for more.

@%<

gehrig


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gehrig

05.12.2007 16:38

Post a thread on UC-IMC and I'll come talk to you there.

You still haven't come up with proof of your accusation.

ftp


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No to ALL racism

05.12.2007 17:41

FTP has had a busy afternoon scurrying all over the IM site making sure that any critism of him is quickly hidden or deleted. I've counted 9 hidings and 12 deletes. Hope those fingers are not to sore !

That's the problem with being an anti Semite, you get pulled on it.

laughing at FTP's fear of Jews


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don't overstate the case

05.12.2007 22:58

"That's the problem with being an anti Semite, you get pulled on it."

I have no reason to believe that ftp is an antisemite, just that he does not combat antisemitism the same way he would combat other prejudices. He has political reasons for this.

@%<

gehrig


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Censorship

06.12.2007 10:28

This thread has been censored.

Pravda


Great Interview ftp

07.12.2007 18:16

ftp – congratulations on a really fantastic interview here!
Listening to Gilad’s ideas, rather than reading his ideas, has a dramatically different impact which I didn’t expect.The audio has a vibrancy & organicness which is very human & vivid & emotive. Thanks for doing it & putting up with the painfully predictable backlash..

Sarah Gillespie

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New interview with Gilad Atzmon and Nadim Mahjoub

17.12.2007 17:14

There is a new interview made on 11 Dec with Nadim Mahjoub. To listen, go to these links:

 http://ourmedia.org/node/372291
 http://ourmedia.org/node/372291

By the way, FTP, would it be possible to create another link for the indymedia interview, as a lot of people have trouble accessing that one somehow. It works really easily at the link above, which is also MP3 format.

Edna


The link to 11 Dec interview with Nadim

17.12.2007 23:37

Thanks FTP, I am going to try it out now.

By mistake I posted the same link twice above, to the interview done on 12 Dec.

The link to the other really good interview with Nadim on 11 Dec is at  http://ourmedia.org/node/372292

Edna


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Tony Greenstein in 3 Easy Steps

27.02.2008 02:45

Don't miss this hilarious piece of writing...

Tony Greenstein in 3 Easy Steps

 http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2007/04/tony-greenstein-in-three-easy-steps.html

xyz


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Tony Greenstein Needs Our Support

27.02.2008 11:41

As a proud zionist and Jew, I must stand up for the way Tony Greenstein (whose father was an authentic rabbi) has fought against the enemies of our land Israel in the past year, despite the forces of evil, anti-semitic, self-hating apologists for Hitler and his ilk who have sought to block his efforts.

You are one of us, and we love you, Tony. Jews have always been proud marxists, and you are indeed our favourite Bolshevik. We find it just deplorable the way the blogs are laughing at you, such as this Simply Jews one cited above, and even politicians. Maybe because you only managed to get about 200 votes altogether that time you stood for MP, but that's because you were aligning yourself with too many anti-zionists at the time. What can we say...Musseltov for seeing the light and becoming a mensch of late... next time you'll get all our votes and then we'll see what the goyim have to say about that!!

 http://another-green-world.blogspot.com/2008/01/atzmon-meeting-will-not-take-place-in.html

Here Derek Wall,the Principal Male Speaker of the Green Party of England and Wales, had the temerity to publish this comment (#3), and leave it up, which makes Tony look dishonest, something we all know is only a trick by people who try to portray jews as thieving villains. I say all the Jews of England should unite on this one and picket in the streets, unless these enemies of Zion agree to apologise to Tony. Azoy vert dos kichel tzekrochen..... we will stand together as one! Here;s what they have to say on this terrible Another Green World blog:

"Among those who have experienced the vehemence of Greenstein's wrath, there are Jewish students that have been bullied and beaten  http://www.geocities.com/tonygreencard/greenbully.pdf, as well as many more who became victims of his anti-social behaviour, which have led to several criminal convictions over the years, for credit card theft  http://www.geocities.com/tonygreencard/greensteal.pdf as well as shoplifting  http://www.geocities.com/tonygreencard/greenfine.pdf. We can only view his current war of attrition against Gilad Atzmon and Mary Rizzo, two activists who have dedicated years to the struggle of the Palestinian people, in terms of what he has offered the community in the past, perhaps because of a reliance on drugs  http://www.geocities.com/tonygreencard/greencrime.pdf or pure malice. This is why it is most unwise to believe a single word he writes about anyone. The man is dishonest to the core, and as the old saying goes, a leopard does not change his spots."

English Jews For Zion
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