Child Rape.Useless Cops
James Jones | 02.11.2007 20:04
This needs national coverage.below are the comments from the Liverpooltimes website.Some from the public and some from the childs parents and grand parents.Read and weep.
# admin Says: September 28th, 2007 at 11:21 am
“a feature of gang life was gang rape”
“I grew up in and around the capital city of Trinidad and Tobago. Port of Spain, to be exact. It was littered with youth gangs of the third and fourth generation. I was a member of Style Crampers. There were others - Fallen Angels, Spike Jones, City Kids, Navarone and more. And a feature of gang life was gang rape. Betty Punjab lived next door to us. Her mother baked the most wonderful sponge cakes, and Betty went around door to door selling them on Saturday afternoons. She was lured to a derelict house, where members of Style Crampers had their way with her, and for a week or so she was passed from gang to gang. That was 40 years ago, and it continues there to this day.
My father, the late Reverend Cipriani Howe, usually quiet and reserved, suddenly exploded at Betty’s ordeal. His single word echoes to this day. He pointed his index finger at me and said: “Never.” I’ve passed it on to my 14-year-old son. And that is all.”
That’s from Darcus Howe - More Here
Here’s advice from Darcus to arm your daughters with an ice pick….
“Now the issue has returned to haunt those who babbled “racism” upon the identification of a dangerous phenomenon in the black community. Had they spent their energies then in support of Channel 4 and used their resources to plaster south London with posters decrying gang rape, then perhaps the frequency of this heinous crime would have been greatly reduced. I sat my daughter down and told her that it would be reasonable to carry an ice pick in her backpack and, should she be attacked, to close her eyes and sink it deeply in the assailant’s head.”
Seems a good idea for rapists.
I personally don’t see any more than a few sick bast**** in Liverpool thinking gang rape ought to be part of the rule of terror.
Gang Rape was NEVER part of the culture in Liverpool and it needs to be stopped dead in it’s tracks before we start to see Nogsy and Crock ‘eds’ and other budding gang-bangers in various areas raping at will.
We appeal to anyone who can help the family of this latest gang rape victim out, to do so.
Plenty of people in Liverpool can help out with these things.
# spitthedog Says: September 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
give them a bag of coke laced with pottasium cyanide.
# spitthedog Says: September 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Incidently if the echo confimed it why have’t they published it?Is it an 08 whitewash?Scared of losing tourists?Make your site so it can upload audio files and i’ll give you something that will blow 08 out of the water.
# Helter Skelter Says: September 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
What sort of a city has Liverpool become?
# ergo Says: September 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
get yourself tigershark network analysis,for your .de site and your other us site.
# admin Says: September 28th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
The Echo published a small article taking up 10% of page 2. A few people missed it. The Daily Post published the article in full.
It was an exclusive by Caroline Innes, Liverpool Daily Post
Full article Here
One of the many complaints is that…
“The owner of the house outside which the alleged rape happened has never been contacted by police;”
# maureen huskisson Says: October 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Grandmother of victim
Hello spit
Thank you for showing concern regarding the rape of my granddaughter.
We are still trying to get the police to do their job and will not give up trying to find out who these monsters are.
People have a right to know what’s going on in their area.
I have only just come across this web site. Thanks for posting your opinion.
# admin Says: October 24th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
I hope and pray that those evil lowlife are caught soon.
We could flood a few social networking websites with some short statement about the rape. Especially the crocky and nogsy gang hangouts on YouTube ect.
# admin Says: October 24th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
If any of the Post or Echo journalists are reading this - why not ask the police, through the freedom of information act if needs be, how many cases of rape and sexual assault, with more than one offender, have been recorded over the past 5 years?
I’ve counted 3 so far, including the rape reported here.
The other two were two men from the South End, and 3 Iraqi refugees, which involved raping a prostitute.
There may be more not reported. London is rife with this - maybe we’ve got a hidden gang rape problem also.
There was also a sexual assault with 7 men in Sutton, St Helens, reported on the Merseyside police website.
Details…
“Merseyside Police is investigating an incident, which occurred on 5 September 2007.
A 16-year-old girl walked through ‘the Wash’ onto Leach Lane in Sutton at approximately 9.30 pm. The Wash is a wooded area with a pathway running through and is used as a shortcut from Mill Lane to Leach Lane.
Approximately 6-7 men surrounded the woman and she was physically assaulted by one of the men, whilst the others looked on.
The group left the scene in the direction of Clock Face.
One man is described as white, approximately 19 years of age, blonde hair, around 6ft tall, slim build and was wearing a black Nike Tracksuit. A second man is described as white, brown hair, had a goatee beard and was wearing a white vest and black striped shorts. A further man was wearing a stripey jumper and another has a large tattoo on his calf.
Detective Constable Ian Plant said: “Whilst the woman has been left severly traumatised by this ordeal, incidents of this nature are very rare. Patrols have been stepped up in the area to provide a reassuring presence and visible deterrent. It was a dreadful thing to have happened and I would appeal to anyone who has information to contact us.”
“incidents of this nature are very rare”
But its not rare, and senior high flying police tell us this.
From the Guardian…
“The Metropolitan police are worried - enough to examine the statistics on 123 incidents in three London boroughs, involving over 900 assailants (including four gang rapes around the same school). Enough for Sapphire, the Met’s three-year-old specialist rape unit, to recognise gang rape as a separate phenomenon, needing specific attention. Enough for a senior officer, Commander John Yates, tipped as a future commissioner, to speak on behalf of the Met on the issue.”
More here
# admin Says: October 24th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
The evidence re the rapist having green eyes is important - and its only just struck me that not many people have green eyes.
I’m looking for more precise figures, but globally its, less than 2% with green eyes. Could be a real good one to push.
Green Eyes and Northway Jacket
Some nations, Hungary apparently, have genetic traits which mean 20% have green eyes but I’m sure a professor in Lpool Uni could give a figure for percentage of people with green eyes in Liverpool. I’d say around the 2 to 5% mark.
Then you narrow it down to people with Northway Jackets - bit of a clique thing there.
Maybe a police E-Fit with green eyes (even if its a blur) would impact on some Daily Post or Echo reader.
Has their been an E-Fit?
Surely, we’d expect that to be carried out, as soon as it was possible.
# nannymo Says: October 30th, 2007 at 7:50 am
No E-fit - is this good enough?
Absolutely nothing has been done regarding e fit.
The police even stopped me going on radio with all the descriptions and the eye colour to appeal for help within days of the incident, saying they had a potential witness and I may jeopardise the inquiry.
They didn’t even want to it to go to press…
“because of the recent shooting of poor Reece it would not benefit the public to know.”
Words from Lee Turner CID Lower Lane.
Today I have written to Maria Eagle and await a reply.
We will never give up!
# DEVASTATED PARENT Says: October 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pm
From the Parents of the teenager who was held down and raped in broad daylight on a Saturday afternoon while going to the shop.
We are emotionally distraught and cannot still come to terms with what these beast have to done to our daughter, yet CID LOWER LANE have still not made any attempt to find these animals.
I have spoken to Lee Forrester CID LOWER LANE on 23rd Oct about forensic evidence he said he would get back in touch.
We are now at Wed 31st Oct and I have left 3 messages on answer phone for him or some to contact me and let me know what is happening. I have still had no reply.
We as a family have been failed by the police, we have made an official complaint and typical of the police they look after there own. Well I am looking after my own my daughter who should be put on a pedestal, she has got more back bone for coming forward than any CID OFFICER AT LOWER LANE.
If the police think that this is the end they can think again I will carry on until i get some form of justice for my daughter and all rape victims who get treated in this way by CID OFFICERS.
# DEVASTATED PARENT Says: November 1st, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Thank you for your support.
We have a few options open to us at the moment.
Will update you as soon as I can.
Would be grateful if you could submit details to other websites appealing for any information.
# admin Says: November 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Supporting people is what Liverpool has always done.
As for putting the appeal out on other websites - that’s easy to do.
Consider it done.
Anyone who wants to join in this campaign, feel free to make suggestions.
In the next post, I’ll outline a few tactics.
# spitthedog Says: November 2nd, 2007 at 5:54 am
The investigation into this is a disgrace.This is much more incompetence than the catalogue of mistakes in the De Menezes case.This should be put to parliment in a question by the childs MP.
“a feature of gang life was gang rape”
“I grew up in and around the capital city of Trinidad and Tobago. Port of Spain, to be exact. It was littered with youth gangs of the third and fourth generation. I was a member of Style Crampers. There were others - Fallen Angels, Spike Jones, City Kids, Navarone and more. And a feature of gang life was gang rape. Betty Punjab lived next door to us. Her mother baked the most wonderful sponge cakes, and Betty went around door to door selling them on Saturday afternoons. She was lured to a derelict house, where members of Style Crampers had their way with her, and for a week or so she was passed from gang to gang. That was 40 years ago, and it continues there to this day.
My father, the late Reverend Cipriani Howe, usually quiet and reserved, suddenly exploded at Betty’s ordeal. His single word echoes to this day. He pointed his index finger at me and said: “Never.” I’ve passed it on to my 14-year-old son. And that is all.”
That’s from Darcus Howe - More Here
Here’s advice from Darcus to arm your daughters with an ice pick….
“Now the issue has returned to haunt those who babbled “racism” upon the identification of a dangerous phenomenon in the black community. Had they spent their energies then in support of Channel 4 and used their resources to plaster south London with posters decrying gang rape, then perhaps the frequency of this heinous crime would have been greatly reduced. I sat my daughter down and told her that it would be reasonable to carry an ice pick in her backpack and, should she be attacked, to close her eyes and sink it deeply in the assailant’s head.”
Seems a good idea for rapists.
I personally don’t see any more than a few sick bast**** in Liverpool thinking gang rape ought to be part of the rule of terror.
Gang Rape was NEVER part of the culture in Liverpool and it needs to be stopped dead in it’s tracks before we start to see Nogsy and Crock ‘eds’ and other budding gang-bangers in various areas raping at will.
We appeal to anyone who can help the family of this latest gang rape victim out, to do so.
Plenty of people in Liverpool can help out with these things.
# spitthedog Says: September 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
give them a bag of coke laced with pottasium cyanide.
# spitthedog Says: September 28th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Incidently if the echo confimed it why have’t they published it?Is it an 08 whitewash?Scared of losing tourists?Make your site so it can upload audio files and i’ll give you something that will blow 08 out of the water.
# Helter Skelter Says: September 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
What sort of a city has Liverpool become?
# ergo Says: September 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
get yourself tigershark network analysis,for your .de site and your other us site.
# admin Says: September 28th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
The Echo published a small article taking up 10% of page 2. A few people missed it. The Daily Post published the article in full.
It was an exclusive by Caroline Innes, Liverpool Daily Post
Full article Here
One of the many complaints is that…
“The owner of the house outside which the alleged rape happened has never been contacted by police;”
# maureen huskisson Says: October 24th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
Grandmother of victim
Hello spit
Thank you for showing concern regarding the rape of my granddaughter.
We are still trying to get the police to do their job and will not give up trying to find out who these monsters are.
People have a right to know what’s going on in their area.
I have only just come across this web site. Thanks for posting your opinion.
# admin Says: October 24th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
I hope and pray that those evil lowlife are caught soon.
We could flood a few social networking websites with some short statement about the rape. Especially the crocky and nogsy gang hangouts on YouTube ect.
# admin Says: October 24th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
If any of the Post or Echo journalists are reading this - why not ask the police, through the freedom of information act if needs be, how many cases of rape and sexual assault, with more than one offender, have been recorded over the past 5 years?
I’ve counted 3 so far, including the rape reported here.
The other two were two men from the South End, and 3 Iraqi refugees, which involved raping a prostitute.
There may be more not reported. London is rife with this - maybe we’ve got a hidden gang rape problem also.
There was also a sexual assault with 7 men in Sutton, St Helens, reported on the Merseyside police website.
Details…
“Merseyside Police is investigating an incident, which occurred on 5 September 2007.
A 16-year-old girl walked through ‘the Wash’ onto Leach Lane in Sutton at approximately 9.30 pm. The Wash is a wooded area with a pathway running through and is used as a shortcut from Mill Lane to Leach Lane.
Approximately 6-7 men surrounded the woman and she was physically assaulted by one of the men, whilst the others looked on.
The group left the scene in the direction of Clock Face.
One man is described as white, approximately 19 years of age, blonde hair, around 6ft tall, slim build and was wearing a black Nike Tracksuit. A second man is described as white, brown hair, had a goatee beard and was wearing a white vest and black striped shorts. A further man was wearing a stripey jumper and another has a large tattoo on his calf.
Detective Constable Ian Plant said: “Whilst the woman has been left severly traumatised by this ordeal, incidents of this nature are very rare. Patrols have been stepped up in the area to provide a reassuring presence and visible deterrent. It was a dreadful thing to have happened and I would appeal to anyone who has information to contact us.”
“incidents of this nature are very rare”
But its not rare, and senior high flying police tell us this.
From the Guardian…
“The Metropolitan police are worried - enough to examine the statistics on 123 incidents in three London boroughs, involving over 900 assailants (including four gang rapes around the same school). Enough for Sapphire, the Met’s three-year-old specialist rape unit, to recognise gang rape as a separate phenomenon, needing specific attention. Enough for a senior officer, Commander John Yates, tipped as a future commissioner, to speak on behalf of the Met on the issue.”
More here
# admin Says: October 24th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
The evidence re the rapist having green eyes is important - and its only just struck me that not many people have green eyes.
I’m looking for more precise figures, but globally its, less than 2% with green eyes. Could be a real good one to push.
Green Eyes and Northway Jacket
Some nations, Hungary apparently, have genetic traits which mean 20% have green eyes but I’m sure a professor in Lpool Uni could give a figure for percentage of people with green eyes in Liverpool. I’d say around the 2 to 5% mark.
Then you narrow it down to people with Northway Jackets - bit of a clique thing there.
Maybe a police E-Fit with green eyes (even if its a blur) would impact on some Daily Post or Echo reader.
Has their been an E-Fit?
Surely, we’d expect that to be carried out, as soon as it was possible.
# nannymo Says: October 30th, 2007 at 7:50 am
No E-fit - is this good enough?
Absolutely nothing has been done regarding e fit.
The police even stopped me going on radio with all the descriptions and the eye colour to appeal for help within days of the incident, saying they had a potential witness and I may jeopardise the inquiry.
They didn’t even want to it to go to press…
“because of the recent shooting of poor Reece it would not benefit the public to know.”
Words from Lee Turner CID Lower Lane.
Today I have written to Maria Eagle and await a reply.
We will never give up!
# DEVASTATED PARENT Says: October 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pm
From the Parents of the teenager who was held down and raped in broad daylight on a Saturday afternoon while going to the shop.
We are emotionally distraught and cannot still come to terms with what these beast have to done to our daughter, yet CID LOWER LANE have still not made any attempt to find these animals.
I have spoken to Lee Forrester CID LOWER LANE on 23rd Oct about forensic evidence he said he would get back in touch.
We are now at Wed 31st Oct and I have left 3 messages on answer phone for him or some to contact me and let me know what is happening. I have still had no reply.
We as a family have been failed by the police, we have made an official complaint and typical of the police they look after there own. Well I am looking after my own my daughter who should be put on a pedestal, she has got more back bone for coming forward than any CID OFFICER AT LOWER LANE.
If the police think that this is the end they can think again I will carry on until i get some form of justice for my daughter and all rape victims who get treated in this way by CID OFFICERS.
# DEVASTATED PARENT Says: November 1st, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Thank you for your support.
We have a few options open to us at the moment.
Will update you as soon as I can.
Would be grateful if you could submit details to other websites appealing for any information.
# admin Says: November 1st, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Supporting people is what Liverpool has always done.
As for putting the appeal out on other websites - that’s easy to do.
Consider it done.
Anyone who wants to join in this campaign, feel free to make suggestions.
In the next post, I’ll outline a few tactics.
# spitthedog Says: November 2nd, 2007 at 5:54 am
The investigation into this is a disgrace.This is much more incompetence than the catalogue of mistakes in the De Menezes case.This should be put to parliment in a question by the childs MP.
James Jones
Comments
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The back ground
02.11.2007 20:18
The response from the police has been appalling. The Liverpool Daily Post, to their credit, ran the story and Caroline Innnes explained…
“she had become so frustrated by Merseyside police’s “lack of interest” in the alleged attack, that they have personally interviewed witnesses and recovered video footage they believe may hold important evidence.
Merseyside police last night said it would appoint a senior officer to review the force’s investigation, after the Daily Post highlighted the family’s concerns.” (full article here )
This article appeared 19 days after the rape. The police never thought to contact the local media (which they can do with ease) to run the story earlier. In an area like Liverpool, this can get results fast because most families read the local papers.
One other blunder is that the police never took an E-Fit of the rapist or others. This is important as we explained hidden away in the comments section. It is worth repeating those observations which came after the grandmother of the rape victim posted some comments.
“The evidence re the rapist having green eyes is important - and it’s only just struck me that not many people have green eyes.
I’m looking for more precise figures, but globally its, less than 2% with green eyes. Could be a real good one to push.
Some nations, Hungary apparently, have genetic traits which mean 20% have green eyes but I’m sure a professor in Lpool Uni could give a figure for percentage of people with green eyes in Liverpool. I’d say around the 2 to 5% mark.
Then you narrow it down to people with Northway Jackets - bit of a clique thing there.
Maybe a police E-Fit with green eyes (even if its a blur) would impact on some Daily Post or Echo reader.
Below, the green eyes are just a sample picture, but might it ring a bell? Is it someone you know?
Gang rape leader has green eyes
Has there been an E-Fit?
Surely, we’d expect that to be carried out, as soon as it was possible?
At this point, an update from the Grandmother reports that…
“Absolutely nothing has been done regarding e-fit.
The police even stopped me going on radio with all the descriptions and the eye colour to appeal for help within days of the incident, saying they had a potential witness and I may jeopardise the inquiry.
They didn’t even want to it to go to press…
“because of the recent shooting of poor Reece it would not benefit the public to know.”Words from Lee Turner CID Lower Lane.
Today I have written to Maria Eagle and await a reply.
We will never give up!”
We won’t give up either – and we appeal for all MEN to stand up and be MEN – not these hooded thugs. Crime is one thing, sex crime is another. It carries a death penalty in many nations, and few men reading this would perhaps shy away from stringing Mr Green Eyed Rapist and his 3 mates up on the end of a noose.
The police, trying to fob off the family with the notion that ‘it would not benefit the public to know’ – would they keep some gang rape case on ice if this was a policemans daughter? Or Cherie Blair?
Or is that the working class people are getting an appalling deal whereby the police are treating gang rape as if it’s the theft of a garden gnome – some ‘trivial’ crime the victims could theoretically try to get to grips with doing a little detective work of their own.
If ever there was proof that extra officers are needed – this is it. Not only extra officers, but ones that are trained and whose moral compass is calibrated better than the people they are chasing.
As for the process of creating an E-Fit, sadly, it seems the sketch artistes who were employed are now replaced by computer technology. Some forces might use the old method – but this modern process means that every police force will have someone trained to use the computerised process of creating an E-Fit. Training a sketch artiste takes years – this piece of kit takes maybe 20 minutes or so to learn. We would assume Merseyside police have purchased the fully licensed copy.
Here is how the police create E-Fits…
“E-FIT™ is a computer based facial composition system, that enables a trained operator to produce an accurate “type-likeness” based upon a witness’s description. E-FIT™ is unique since it recognises, and was developed to include, the psychological factors that affect our ability to recall and recognise faces. It has been designed so that novice operators can easily and quickly produce accurate images.
E-FIT™ has been installed in 45 British Police services including the Facial Identification Unit at New Scotland Yard. It has also been supplied to Police Forces in a further 25 countries. In the USA and Canada, 96 systems are in use by various States and Local Law Enforcement Agencies, plus the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, and the FBI. The system has also been installed at 2 Non UK and 8 UK universities, where it is currently in use in facial recognition experiments. The research from this will be utilised in further developments of E-FIT™. Current research by Westminster University is designed to give Investigating Officers guidance on the use of multiple witnesses.
The latest E-FIT™.NET program automatically links to a number of proprietary paint programs offering Police Artists the necessary tools to enhance and alter the final details of an E-FIT™ image. For example, operators may alter a hair line or retouch facial detail.
Sounds like all local webmasters of bloggers or the Home Watch committee could all do with a copy of this software.
Here’s a killer fact which seems to point to the police making a mess of the initial inquiry…
A number of E-FIT™ operators report that in excess of 50% of E-FIT™ composites lead to the identification of a suspect. Two operators in the U.S.A. claim that 90% of their composites, created using E-FIT™ software, have led to the identification of the suspects involved.
Below, an example of Merseyside police using E-Fit to run an appeal on the police website for someone who carried out a robbery.
E-fit on Merseyside police website
“At approximately 3pm on Friday, 26 July a 51-year-old local woman was at the cemetery on Cherry Lane tending to her father’s grave. The man approached the woman and asked her for a cigarette. It appeared that the man had been drinking and, when she didn’t have a cigarette to give him, he became aggressive and demanded money from her. He grabbed the woman’s arm and there was a short struggle before she fell to the floor. The offender then left empty-handed.”
The e-Fit looks like it stands a good chance of seeing the scumbag arrested. So why not e-fit a more serious offender such as the gang rapist and put it on the police website?
We hope that the contact with Maria Eagle will get things rolling. She will get answers from the police – because she is a clever women no matter else we might think about her. There needs to be a re-examination of how this case has been dealt with before more hooded youth copy cat the filth beasts that see gang rape as a sign of progressing to manhood with a pack of mates pinning down some female.
This was never part of the culture of Liverpool. We need to stamp it out now before anyone gets it into their heads that its fair game to rape. Severe punishment is needed – and, if the family wish, a massive media campaign as soon as possible is generally the best way to reach a community. After all, how else can rapes get solved?
Liverpool is in crisis right now. This might not rest well with the razzmatazz of the capital of culture 2008. After all, what message does it send to tourists when we have child murder, gang rapes and estates which rarely see the sight of a copper on foot after dark?
James Jones
self defence& the law
02.11.2007 21:32
You can bet there are kids who have an idea of who did it, keep going, shame the gits. I regularly stand up to thugs or bullies in the area & often get community support, local pubs have regular neighbourhood meetings etc & whilst working with some of the commmunity liason police when necessary we are v sceptical of the "legal system".
Maybe you can do a photo description flyer of the gangleader with green eyes & post it in local shops.
I wouldnt advice carrying an ice pick thou, I have to have various tools in my car for work, but after picking a friend up who was falsely arrested protesting the biggest corporate arms fair in the world I was charged for having a small knife & hammer axe, which I had with several large solar panels,stakes & rope. Ive been charged for carrying a extendable baton in a camping bag after getting gang attacked on holiday before too so they could have made it stick & given me a few months.
Girls very often have to carry sharp dressing scissors& police advice their own to carry these, a strong chain with something heavy on it like a bottle opener is good for self defence & self defence only
The law does not consider all sharp objects to be offensive weapons and the restrictions do not apply to:
folding pocket knives with a blade of less than 3 inches, or
razor blades permanently held in a cartridge or similar housing
articles such as scissors or compasses.
The law states that offensive weapons are deemed to be the following:
knives, knife blades or razor blades, axes
any article which has a blade, or which is sharply pointed and which is made or adapted for causing injury to the person.
You should not sell any of these items to anyone under the age of 16 – even if they appear to be older.
On streets,I personally used to like carrying a big didgereedoo about or a heavy metal fire staff for entertainment, its amazing how usesul they can be.
Best option often is to encourage people to ride bikes more too, I started riding bikes again when I was 17-18 when I had to go through areas I knew rough gangs operated.
Pressure your MP too, police are more & more political these days
JJ