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UK Police Found Guilty in Menezes Murder

Limited Hangout? | 02.11.2007 01:37 | Repression | World

Looking back, it is instructive to remember all the lies told by the police in an attempt to cover up the murder of an innocent man. They claimed he was wearing a suspiciously bulky jacket. He was not. They claimed he leaped over the turn styles and ran to the train car. He did not. Time after time every claim made to excuse the extra-judicial murder of this man was exposed as a lie ... here on the internet. The mainstream media, the BBC in particular, promoted without question the lies used to justify the public execution of an innocent man. Only after the lies were exposed in the blogs did the mainstream media grudgingly admit to what had really happened.

The actual shooter has not been identified, nor has the unit that actually killed the man. Considering the fact that he was an electrician, it stands to reason that he may have been an unexpected witness to what was transpiring, and may have seen something someone didn't want repeated.

Why else would you empty a clip into someone's head, after you've already subdued them, and are sitting on his chest?

UK police guilty in Brazilian's death
By D'ARCY DORAN, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - London's police force was found guilty Thursday of endangering the public during a frantic manhunt for four failed suicide bombers that led to the killing of an innocent Brazilian man on a subway train.

Police had staked out an address belonging to two of the failed bombers at dawn on July 22, 2005. It was less than 24 hours after the attackers' devices failed to ignite on three subway cars and a double-decker bus. Police feared they were set on trying to strike again.

The manhunt unfolded with the British capital already on edge after four (alleged) suicide bombers killed 52 commuters two weeks earlier.

The officers watching the building trailed Brazilian electrician Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, out of the apartments, suspecting he was one of the bombers. They followed him onto two buses, into a subway station and finally into a train. There, officers, believing he was a bomber, shot him seven times at close range in front of morning commuters.

On Thursday, a jury found police guilty of breaking health and safety laws. Judge Richard Henriques ordered the Metropolitan Police to pay a total of $1.16 million for breakdowns in the operation.

"One person died and many others were placed in potential danger," Henriques said after the verdict.

The judge acknowledged the manhunt had been "a unique and difficult operation."

"This was very much an isolated breach brought about by quite extraordinary circumstances," he said.

The force had denied the charge, saying the killing was an error, not a crime. Outside London's Central Criminal Court, police chief Ian Blair expressed "my deep regret" over de Menezes' death.

"No police officer set out on that day to shoot an innocent man," he said. "I am certain that this death was the culmination of actions by many hands, all of whom were doing their best to handle a terrible threat facing London on that day — a race against time to find the failed suicide bombers of the day before."

Blair said he had no intention of resigning after the verdict. Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he had "full confidence" in the police chief, despite opposition calls for Blair to step down.

Blair did not rule out an appeal.

The Brazilian Foreign Ministry issued a statement saying the government doesn't consider that the decision closes the case.

"Although without specifying the individuals responsible for the tragedy, the decision recognizes the responsibility of the Metropolitan Police in the case and opens the way for new initiatives in favor of the family of that innocent Brazilian citizen," the statement said.

No individual officers were charged over de Menezes' death. The foreman of the jury told the court that blame should not rest with Deputy Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick, the officer in charge of the operation.

Prosecutors claimed "fundamental failures" at all levels led to the death of de Menezes.

Police thought the Brazilian might have been Hussain Osman, who dropped his gym membership card at the scene of one of the failed attacks. An officer who was meant to identify him as he came out was away "relieving himself," prosecutor Clare Montgomery told the court.

The surveillance officers asked the Scotland Yard control room several times if they should arrest him, but were told to wait for a firearms team to arrive, Montgomery said.

She described the chaos at police headquarters, claiming an officer responsible for listening to messages could not hear what was being said because colleagues not involved in the case crammed into the room to listen to events unfold.

Despite officers' doubts about his identity, Dick testified she was told five times that the man police were following was Osman.

An officer called out on the radio that the man being pursued was "our man" and was acting "nervous and twitchy," a firearms officer testified.

The marksmen could be seen running down the subway station's escalator in security video footage shown to jurors.

A surveillance officer, identified as "Ivor," described following de Menezes into the subway car, grabbing him and pinning him to his seat when he realized firearms officers were there. He shouted: "Here he is."

The armed officers shot de Menezes five times in the head, once in the neck and once in the shoulder. The jury was shown photos of de Menezes lying dead on the car's floor.

Police lawyer Ronald Thwaites told the jury that de Menezes was shot because he had behaved suspiciously and "because when he was challenged by police he did not comply with them but reacted precisely as they had been briefed a suicide bomber might react at the point of detonating his bomb."

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/ap_on_re_eu/britain_brazilian_shot

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I think you added the 'alledged' ... suicide bomber...

02.11.2007 03:33

...I think you'll find that they really were suicide bombers. All 4 of them.

The police were in panic, the police were/are wrong. The thing about the police is that they seem to be congenitally unable to actually admit that they are wrong. Its like that would mean a tarnishing of 'respect' - they would have to 'back down' and confess to infalibility. They don't like to do that. The bwitish state doesn't like to do that. Ever. I really would recommend to the Menzies family that they initiate a Civil Court prosecution of the Met - that would hopefully unearth more truth about the events surrounding the shooting of their boy, and those responsible.

The control room for the operation was chaotic and in panic, and the boss did not have control of the situation...and yet the jury let her off the hook...thats the way that sickly nonce-ish stiflingly controlled by blightyscum atmos of the bwitish courtroom ...works. It works well for 'the power'. If the people sat on the jury were free, they'll be none of this fucking bullshit - the 'power' (that antithesis to individual pagan/occult/goddess realisation) really would be in panic then.

I have to say that Al Qa'ida are taking terrorism to new levels of horror - I recall the bus with the spooky advert on the side, can't recall what it was. I stuck it up on a wall, I think the cops took it down one time they came round..but it was interesting due to the semi-occult nature of the message, and even though they are 'off centre', it is perhaps that really freeks the bwitish state. I mean no one, absolutly no one, al qa'ida or otherwse is more evil then the western nations. Thats why even Al Qa'ida wins against them in terms of religion/magic/occult. God, haha, what did that advert on the bus say?

It wasn't MI5 etc anyway, in case thats what you meant by 'alledged' suicide bombers. It was an off centre religious/occult trip.



King Amdo


What about all the others?

02.11.2007 06:44

Although the verdict is welcome, as far as it goes. what about all the other people who have been killed by our police? We all remember the guy who was shot for carrying a chair leg but why have all the others recieved almost zero publicity? Is there a mainstream media conspiracy not to reveal the real truth about our killer cops?

Since 1996 there have been 26 deaths by police shootings alone.

 http://inquest.gn.apc.org/stats_shootings.html

Wotsit


Ken Livingstone: A Terrible Verdict

02.11.2007 08:21

"Red" Ken Livingstone was just on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme defending the Met's death squad and their actions: what a sad sad man.

Blue Ken


result from inquest

02.11.2007 08:32

To make sure this doesnt happen again i suggest the police let a suspected suicide bomber blow himself up then they have the authority to shoot him, it seems the only logical solution to me.

police state fighter


Time for Ian Blair to quit!

02.11.2007 09:49


Ian Blair must go. Tell him to resign now...

 ian.blair@met.police.uk

porcine


Cowboy cops.

02.11.2007 10:22

This shows what scum the pigs are. You can hear their spurs jangling as they walk down the street.

Having restrained de Menezes, they cannot justify shooting him in any circumstances. It was another case of cold blooded killing by the Britsh State.

How many deaths are they responsible for? What with those in custody and shootings etc. Is this some form of class/ethnic cleansing here?

Jesse James


Actually, the mainstream media got there first...

02.11.2007 14:39


The orginal post claims "The mainstream media, the BBC in particular, promoted without question the lies used to justify the public execution of an innocent man. Only after the lies were exposed in the blogs did the mainstream media grudgingly admit to what had really happened."

That's not what seems to have happened on Indymedia.

If you do a search of Indymedia you find that the first articles giving evidence for Menezes' innocence (like the fact he didn't vault the barricade and so on) were all follow-ups to the stories broken by the ITN, the BBC and the Observer. There are even reposts of the Daily Mail.

Cousin of shot Brazilian speaks out
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/319365.html

UK Indymedia - Fears over Menezes death 'leak' cover up / New version
"As the white wash to cover up who killed Jean Charles de Menezes and why continues. According to the BBC a new account of the murder. ..."
www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/08/321333.html

It was wrong of the BBC and other media to report the eye witness accounts without stressing they were unverified.

It was even worse that the police did not immediately correct them.

But the people who came up with the lies about the big jacket, and the wires, and so on? The panicked British public, sadly.

Norville B


Cameras?

02.11.2007 17:57

We've been told repeatedly by the police that London was on 'High Alert' when Jean Charles was killed and that they had every reason to believe there could be another attack at any moment. Yet not one of the many security cameras in Stockwell tube station were working that day, apparently. Lying bastards.

filo


SRR military assassination.

02.11.2007 21:20

Of course individuals could not be prosecuted. For de Menezes was not shot by the Police at all. There were certainly SO19 officers about, but the originally surveillence was carried out, as admitted by the Special Surveillence Regiment, and the murder was carried out in a classical dirty ops hit team job.
It was a military killing using dum dum rounds which will have effectively blown de Menezes head off

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Sunday, August 21, 2005
A plot by a secretive section of the military to kill De Menezes as part of a strategy of tension?


Photo by Caroline Ford ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Jean_charles_de_menezes_shrin e_dec_06-2.jpg)

There has been speculation that all the recent terror incidents in Britain are part of a 'strategy of tension' similar to that which brought terror to Greece, Italy and Turkey in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
If elements of the security services could catch and kill someone on the London Underground and then claim that this was a Moslem terrorist, this would advance the fascist agenda.
It would support the idea that 9 11, the Bali Bombs, the Madrid Bombs and the London Bombs were the work of Moslem terrorists, rather than the work of the security services, using double agents and patsies.
When agents of the UK government shot dead the innocent Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, the police claimed that they had shot a dangerous terrorist.

It looks as if there were (at least) two groups who were involved in the pursuit of Jean Charles de Menezes:

1. The police
2. A shadowy military group

Senior sources in the Metropolitan Police told The Observer (21 August 2005) that

1. their surveillance officers felt that de Menezes was not about to detonate a bomb,
2. was not armed
3. and was not acting suspiciously.

 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1553440,00.html

A police source said: 'There is no way those three guys would have been on the train carriage with him [de Menezes] if they believed he was carrying a bomb. Nothing he did gave the surveillance team the impression that he was carrying a device.'

It was only when they were joined by 'armed officers' that things changed.

The Sunday Herald, which often has the best sources on security matters, tells us about the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR).

 http://www.sundayherald.com/51372 / AN INNOCENT MAN SHOT DEAD ON THE LONDON TUBE BY POLICE . . .SINCE ...

The Sunday Herald, 21 August 2005, tells us about the monitoring of the flat in Scotia Road, Tulse Hill, in south London.

The address was said to be linked to alleged bomber Hussein Osman.( Hussain Osman - arrested in Rome )

Among the surveillance team in Scotia Road was a soldier from a new “special forces” regiment -the Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR).

James Cusick, in the Sunday Herald, wrote:

"According to security sources, SRR personnel were involved in the tailing operation that saw de Menezes leave the block of flats, board a bus, and then enter the tube station at Stockwell. SRR personnel are also believed to have been on the tube train when he was shot.

"The SRR soldier at Scotia Road (given the codename Tango 10) used equipment which sent realtime pictures of all who came and went from the flats. Those receiving the pictures could check them against footage of who they were looking for. One security source said: 'In this kind of operation you never leave. You need to pee: you use a bottle; if there’s no bottle, tough. You never leave.'

"The police account says there is no footage of de Menezes leaving because the SRR soldier had to relieve himself. The police account says he sent out a message calling the man who left [de Menezes] an 'ICI' – a white northern European...

"Hussein Osman – arrested in Rome and scheduled for deportation to the UK within the next two months – was not an ICI. The CCTV footage of Osman the police held showed an Asian/north African male.

"De Menezes took a bus to Stockwell tube station, stopping briefly at Brixton...

"It is also understood that the senior police officer in charge of the operation, Commander Cressida Dick, had ordered de Menezes at this stage to be detained before he went into the tube station and that he should be alive...

"So why was de Menezes not stopped before the station?"

Apparently, both members of the police and the mysterious second group were on the train with de Menezes. It would appear that members of the mysterious second group murdered de Menezes.

"A security agency source contacted by the Sunday Herald said: 'This take-out is the signature of a special forces operation. It is not the way the police usually do things.... this has special forces written all over it.'”

The Sunday Herald points out:

"The initial post-mortem report into de Menezes’s death states the young Brazilian had 'vaulted over the ticket barrier'.

"A post-mortem report does not take its information from media reports. The police are contacted directly and written accounts are delivered. Details of the barrier being “vaulted” therefore came from the police. Why?

"And why at 4pm – five hours after the shooting – when the police would have known they had not killed Hussein Osman but a young Brazilian, did Sir Ian hold a press conference and insist that the shooting was 'directly linked' to the anti-terrorist operation?"

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What about the de menezes flat? Did Osman really live there?

 http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1553440,00.html

From the Observer, 21 August 2005:

"Questions have been raised about the accuracy of the police intelligence that led to the raid on the block of flats occupied by de Menezes. It was initially suggested that the flat was connected to the man known as Hussein Osman, who was arrested in Italy.

"On the Saturday after the shooting, officers raided the flat in a high-profile operation watched by the world's media. As a result, a man, identified only as 'C', was arrested 'on suspicion of the commission, instigation or preparation of acts of terrorism'. But he was released on 30 July with no charge, raising the possibility that the flats had no connection with the bombings."

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Was there a plot to fool the public?

 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthonylarkin.html

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm

A passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man appeared to be wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out".The 'man' was Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, who was shot by government agents.

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4706913.stm

Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell station, told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man.

"I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired."

...

Is the Anthony Larkin named above the same as the one named below?

www.cmr.qmul.ac.uk/cmrpeople.php?uid=130
(Accessible via a Google search for Anthony Larkin, cached page)

Mr Tony LarkinLead scientist, MET police. Forensic scientist Tel: Location: Mile End. Expertise: Forensic Science

 http://news.scotsman.com/headlines.cfm?id=211762005

Anthony Larkin, the lead evidence recovery scientist with the Metropolitan Police...

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Did elements of the security services hope to fool the public into thinking that the person who was shot was one of the 'bombers' such as Hussain Osman - arrested in Rome .

Hussein Osman, who also uses the name Hamdi Isaac, moved to Rome by Eurostar five days after the 21 July attacks in London. His passport was not checked by the British at Waterloo.

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Operation Gladio and the 'strategy of tension' in Italy beginning in 1969.

Operation Gladio was organised by 'fascists' within the security services of the West.

Reportedly, the idea was to kill innocent people and then blame this on others.

Gladio was about keeping the right-wing elite in power.

Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony:

'You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.'

Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti revealed the existence of Gladio in 1991.

Parliamentary investigations in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium have given us a little of the truth.
The book "NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe," by Daniele Ganser documents some of what we know so far.

Run by fascist elements in NATO and Washington, right-wing militias carried out acts of terrorism and electoral subversion in states such as Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Turkey and West Germany.

Gladio was the name used in Italy. In Austria the name was Schwert, Belgium -Sdra 8, Britain - Stay Behind, France - Glaive, Greece -Operation Sheepskin, Holland, Sweden -Sveaborg, Switzerland -P26 and Turkey -Special War Department. [Source: "Operation Gladio." users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm]

A Pentagon document, Field Manual FM 30-31B, details the methods for launching terrorist attacks.85 people were killed on August 2, 1980 in the bombing of the Bologna train station.

According to the Italian Senate, after its investigation in 2000, the bombers were later discovered to be "men inside Italian state institutions and ... men linked to the structures of United States intelligence."

The Bologna bomb was part of Gladio's " strategy of tension" - fomenting fear to keep populations in thrall to "strong leaders" who will protect the nation from the ever-present terrorist threat.

The beginning of the 'strategy of tension' in Italy came in Dec. 12, 1969 when a bomb exploded inside the Banca Nazionale dell' Agricoltura in Milan's Piazza Fontana. 16 people were killed and 58 wounded. "

dh
- Homepage: http://www.wytruth.org.uk


The secret MI5 force

02.11.2007 23:15

The Jean Charles de Menezes story makes no sense unless you factor in the killers as a special operations force that was actually controlled by MI5 and not the police. It may be officers were seconded to the police, and Cressida Dick believed they were under her control. The reality is that this forces had been given orders by MI5 to kill De Menezes.

Why did trained firearms officers kill someone in a state of panic when they knew he had no bomb?
Why did they shoot him in the head so many times?
Why didn't they give testamony in court?
Why the immediate attempt to make out the de Menezes was carrying bombs?
Why don't we know who gave the order to kill de Menezes?
Why the calls to sack Blair when the officer in charge of the operation was totally cleared?
Why are so many people coming to Blair's aid?

Under ordinary circumstances, we would know the name of the men who shot De Menezes and they would be out of a job by now. Cressida Dick would have to go and perhaps so to Ian Blair. But Blair is going no where. Why? Because he feels duty bound to protect an MI5 operation.

You need to remember:
- after the shooting, Blair wrote to the IPC saying they should not investigate and he brought in as a reason 'national security'
- a police officer tried to alter police logs so that the police would get the blame, the officer was Special Branch, which is run by MI5
- an army surveillance officer, the Special Reconnaince Regiment, i.e., the SAS, was doing surveillance on de Menezes block of flats
- the manner of the shooting was classic SAS
- after the shooting, police officers were ready to rebel against what was going on
- one set of police officers knew their job was surveillanc while 'another set of police officers' knew their job was a professional hit.

The reason could very well be a strategy of tension. What it wasn't was a mistake.

insidejob


Inside job?

03.11.2007 06:52

Don't try to let the police off the hook with an elaborate conpiracy theory. The reality is that, despite all the people killed by police over the years, not one killer cop has ever been brought to justice. The law doesn't seem to apply to the police, they can do as they like because we are all cowed by our government's politics of fear. Frankly, I would rather take my chances with a terrorist bomb than risk being killed by the cops. Far more people are killed by our police over the years than have been killed by terrorists.

Wotsit


Observer article appeared on Sunday 24th August 2005

03.11.2007 11:44

The fact that it has been changed to show the 21st (before the shooting, which was on a Friday) looks suspicious.

Copernicus


Racist cops

03.11.2007 12:28

To make sure this doesnt happen again i suggest the police let a suspected suicide bomber blow himself up then they have the authority to shoot him, it seems the only logical solution to me.

police state fighter

Yeah good comment from the cannon fodder department.

Easy Solution for the (WASP) White Anglo Saxon Pigs. although the war against terror is billed as a Muslim versus Christian affair it has more to do with business as usual for the same old faces.

Muslims are dark skinned and therefore most of Europe's police forces are hustling dark skinned stereo types.
Which means that if you are of dark complexion the odds on you getting mistakenly gunned down by a cop
are much higher than for a whitey type, statistics show that most cops hold racist views anyway.

Now Mossad and the CIA and other state terrorist organizations are not stupid, they normally have quite a high success rate, specially with false flag op's, so while the cops are out side hustling and abusing innocent dark skinned people who happen to look like suicide bombers, some 6ft tall blue eyed Aryan types will be making a very easy get away right under their noses. With the top echelons of the Masonic Met fully briefed on the ongoing "strategy of tension plans" like well aware of actual circumstances.

I wonder what "police state fighter" is supposed to mean, it doesn't sound very Masonic to me, maybe some kindof vigilante all male drinking club ?

Cannon Fodder


'witnesses'

03.11.2007 18:26

Hmm - the M15 story is a possibility I reckon.
Anyone remember the eye-witnesses that were interviewed on TV, immediately after the shooting? Those men and women who all gave a completely different version of events (clothes, appearance, behaviour, racing ahead, leaping turnstiles and the like) from the reality. Why did we only hear those accounts, when I've recently heard others interviewed, describing his normal, innocent behaviour and appearance. Why was it decided by the press not to show these eye-witnesses?
I think those first hysterical bayers-for-blood should be answering some questions themselves.

filo
- Homepage: http://'witnesses'


Special Reconnaisance Regiment

04.11.2007 01:08

Apologies for the slip made earlier.
Jean Charles de Menezes was killed by members of the army's Special Reconnaisance Regiment. The same boys who were stopped by Iraqi police, dressed as Arabs, with a carfull of explosives on their way to a Shia clebration in Basra in Sept 2005. The ones the British army busted out of jail with tanks.
SRR are the mutation of 14Int. The intelligence unit who actually planted most of the 'IRA' bombs during the troubles

dh