Da Vinchi Fake.
James Jones | 06.10.2007 12:04
Sometimes a little titbit of information is overheard that leads to a nice little story.Circumstances last night led me to have a swift half in a country pub in Lancashire in a small place called Upholland.The main topic of conversation was all about the recovered painting by Da Vinchi,the Madonna with the Yarnwinder.But the one thing I heard was that one of the men arrested for it was from the area.And that the painting was a fake.As i drove home i kept thinking about it and today I did a few searches.It turns out not one of the accused are from the area but three are,one from Upholland and two close by In Ormskirk.After reading everthing i found i noticed some comments that the picture looks in remarkably good condition.Not much to go on but maybe a bit.So I called an art forger i know and asked him about it,he no longer practices.But he told me that to steal that painting and hope to sell it was madness.But to steal it and hide it then to sell a copy of it was not such a bad idea.His opinion was it was easier to copy Da Vinchi than Lowery.And there are plenty of buyers who would buy a good copy while the real one is missing.The seller is guilty of fraud but the buyer keeping it can say he has the real thing to his close circle.
James Jones
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Intersting post but....
06.10.2007 15:47
Hypnotised
Faked justice
06.10.2007 16:30
"It's pretty but is it art? How is it valued? The value depends on opinion, opinion depends on the expert, a faker like Elmyr makes fool of the experts - so who's the expert? Who's the faker?"
"Two solicitors were charged yesterday with conspiracy to rob and extort money following the recovery of a stolen £25 million Leonardo Da Vinci masterpiece... The charges follow a police raid on HBJ Gately Wareing, a solicitors' firm in Glasgow where Mr Jones is a partner, on Thursday morning."
Two crooked Scottish lawyers ?
Back on the subject of the corruption of the Scottish judiciary, but this time with a far from victimless crime. More Lockerbie proof that the Scottish judicial system is the best law money can buy. It has been revealed one of the key witnesses in the Lockerbie mistrial turned down a $4million FBI bribe to lie on oath.
And the defence never go to see the evidence.
And that the CIA paid millions to witnesses who did testify.
Danny
Danny
06.10.2007 17:08
Joe L
Mona Lisa, get yer tits out for the critics
06.10.2007 18:16
Yeah, I know. Sorry about that post, I was in a hurry and tried to conflate about 8 different issues of varying levels of seriousness without giving any of them the depth they deserve. Maybe you could repost my serious political points on another thread. I guess my artless point on that was whether it was faked a year ago, 500 years ago or simply the original is unimportant to it's aesthetic value, which is unrelated to it's financial value. Japanese investors used to pay for paintings using a formula derived from the size of the painting versus the 'worth' of an artist, before locking them away in vaults.
Another example is La Giaconda hanging in the Louvre compared to the other versions doing the rounds. I like it, I liked seeing it for about two minutes, but about once a month I prefer the version where she is topless- I've heard her nipples follow you around the room. Some people consider the nude to be the original and some people don't consider that important. I think Dali signing blank paper and Warhol mass producing mass production already covered that insight though.
Veracity is also unimportant to the law - there are people in prison for selling fake drugs simply because they supposedly believed they were real.
My pal once conned us into the Louvre after it had closed and I poked the Venus De Milo in the belly - no alarms went off. That is an exquiste work of art but I'd rather have touched Eva Green in 'the Dreamers' when she is pretending to be the Venus De Milo. Venus was cold.
I'm heading out now to graffiti a building or two. I may try a Leonardo Helicopter Gunship sketch, or a faked copy of the recovered painting but on a police building. Of course, when I do that I normally get painted over and prosecuted, but when Banksy ( "I can't believe you buy this shit) does it it is preserved...which is fair enough I suppose, I'm not that good yet.
"art is why i get up in the morning
but my definition ends there
and it doesn't seem fair
that i'm living for something i can't even define
there you are right there
in the meantime
i don't want to play for you anymore
show me what you can do
tell me what are you here for
i want my old friends
i want my old face
i want my old mind
fuck this time and place"
cheers,
Danny
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Your point about corrupt lawyers is well taken
06.10.2007 20:12
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