Crossrail - How the City wants to rip off Londoners and taxpayers? Just say NO
notocrossrail | 04.09.2007 08:50 | London
Crossrail is a £30 billion substandard rail scheme that is setting itself up to get taxpayers money to fund acquiring land for development and getting a transport scheme that will benefit the City and Canary Wharf - Crossrail has been compared to Eurotunnel by financial transport experts except this time Ken and the City want your money. This Indymedia article tells you who the Crossrail players are, their history of abusing public money and how a City funded propaganda thinktank is trying to use PR to push ahead with plans to rip off taxpayers.. Courtesy of the City and Ken...
The man behind Crossrail is one Adrian Montague? Montague was originally asked to prepare an indepedent report to Crossrail was a good idea, He did and then he was made Chairman of Crossrail. Sir Montague is well versed in abusing taxpayers money - He has been knighted for this through the morally bankrupt honours system. See the following url for Crossrail and how Montague does it -
http://libcom.org/news/crossrail-and-spitalfields-19112005
The City and the Mayor of London Ken Livingstone want Londoners to fund, pay the operational costs and the interest for the £30 bn Crossrail scheme. However, ordinary Londoners have had enough and can see through the poorly designed scheme.
Due to the fear that the abuse of taxpayers money is becoming too well-known. A City thinktank funded by Lord Sainsbury, the man who wanted to force genetic modification on the public through his Government post. Knighted for this service of abuse. The propaganda is the City will pay - the smallprint is it will be ringfenced and only for a specific time period. There is no such protection for taxpayers. Kindly the City and the Mayor have been offering taxpayers money to convince Brown it is a goer.
Reputable experts who built the Channel Tunnel Rail Link, the Jubilee Line compare Crossrail to planning a garden shed being given a few hints about Crossrail, I started to find out some interesting things. Others like Arup question the Crossrail scheme.
See this website for why Crossrail is bad for London and bad for the UK transport system
http://www.Superlink.co.uk
The petition hearings for Crossrail show how little democracy there is because the Labour run Select Committee really do not want the Crossrail facts to come out in the open.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmselect/cmcross/uc235-xvi/uc23502.htm
- Mayfair
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmcross/uc837-lvii/uc83702.htm
- Spitalfields
Read this Crossrail blog -
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/davidmillward/apr07/crossrail.htm
Even the FT has been looking at the figures of Crossrail and even Financial Crimes find them wanting ... very wanting ... not just another Olympics but they compare it to Eurotunnel...Indeed, the FT say: a Financial Times report that “the project’s backers are likely to keep cost projections as low as possible to secure approval”.
Crossrail will be so bad for London, it will be killed and the dodgy politicians who put their heads above the parapet for Kiley and Ken will pay" Yes, they wil pay.
Livingstone - "We need this Crossrail to be built"
Mr Livingstone has a great track record for wasting taxpayers money on crap transport programmes - lets look at the tram, the first endeavour for the Millennium Bridge.
See this url for more on Ken Livingstone's transport failures
http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var1594612.mostcommented.ken_has_come_to_his_senses.php
Read this url to find out more why Crossrail is a bad idea http://www.Superlink.co.ukIts either him or his transport advisors.
Read between the lines of the url for the Mayor below and readers will see the corrupt reasons why the Mayor supports Crossrail and then try and find any mention of how he intends to protect taxpayers contribution - There is no protection because there is no intention to protect taxpayers. Do we see a knighthood? Crossrail is a cash cow waiting for its birth and everlasting final party.
http://www.bexleytimes.co.uk/content/bexley/times/news/story.aspx?brand=BXYOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsbxy&itemid=WeED09%20Aug%202007%2012%3A35%3A00%3A017
Crossrail is not public transport - It is a poor and expensive rail scheme that only benefits the City and yet it is being described as a public transport. The richest part of London wants the poorest parts of London to subsidise a scheme that it is primarily for their benefit. Londoners say no to Crossrail
Can anyone provide proof and facts that Crossrail will be good for London outside of the City and Canary Wharf and not bad for taxpayers?
Thanks from notocrossrail
http://libcom.org/news/crossrail-and-spitalfields-19112005 The City and the Mayor of London Ken Livingstone want Londoners to fund, pay the operational costs and the interest for the £30 bn Crossrail scheme. However, ordinary Londoners have had enough and can see through the poorly designed scheme.
Due to the fear that the abuse of taxpayers money is becoming too well-known. A City thinktank funded by Lord Sainsbury, the man who wanted to force genetic modification on the public through his Government post. Knighted for this service of abuse. The propaganda is the City will pay - the smallprint is it will be ringfenced and only for a specific time period. There is no such protection for taxpayers. Kindly the City and the Mayor have been offering taxpayers money to convince Brown it is a goer.
Reputable experts who built the Channel Tunnel Rail Link, the Jubilee Line compare Crossrail to planning a garden shed being given a few hints about Crossrail, I started to find out some interesting things. Others like Arup question the Crossrail scheme.
See this website for why Crossrail is bad for London and bad for the UK transport system
http://www.Superlink.co.uk The petition hearings for Crossrail show how little democracy there is because the Labour run Select Committee really do not want the Crossrail facts to come out in the open.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200607/cmselect/cmcross/uc235-xvi/uc23502.htm - Mayfair
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmcross/uc837-lvii/uc83702.htm - Spitalfields
Read this Crossrail blog -
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorrespondents/davidmillward/apr07/crossrail.htm Even the FT has been looking at the figures of Crossrail and even Financial Crimes find them wanting ... very wanting ... not just another Olympics but they compare it to Eurotunnel...Indeed, the FT say: a Financial Times report that “the project’s backers are likely to keep cost projections as low as possible to secure approval”.
Crossrail will be so bad for London, it will be killed and the dodgy politicians who put their heads above the parapet for Kiley and Ken will pay" Yes, they wil pay.
Livingstone - "We need this Crossrail to be built"
Mr Livingstone has a great track record for wasting taxpayers money on crap transport programmes - lets look at the tram, the first endeavour for the Millennium Bridge.
See this url for more on Ken Livingstone's transport failures
http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/mostpopular.var1594612.mostcommented.ken_has_come_to_his_senses.php Read this url to find out more why Crossrail is a bad idea
http://www.Superlink.co.ukIts either him or his transport advisors. Read between the lines of the url for the Mayor below and readers will see the corrupt reasons why the Mayor supports Crossrail and then try and find any mention of how he intends to protect taxpayers contribution - There is no protection because there is no intention to protect taxpayers. Do we see a knighthood? Crossrail is a cash cow waiting for its birth and everlasting final party.
http://www.bexleytimes.co.uk/content/bexley/times/news/story.aspx?brand=BXYOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsbxy&itemid=WeED09%20Aug%202007%2012%3A35%3A00%3A017 Crossrail is not public transport - It is a poor and expensive rail scheme that only benefits the City and yet it is being described as a public transport. The richest part of London wants the poorest parts of London to subsidise a scheme that it is primarily for their benefit. Londoners say no to Crossrail
Can anyone provide proof and facts that Crossrail will be good for London outside of the City and Canary Wharf and not bad for taxpayers?
Thanks from notocrossrail
notocrossrail
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Superlink
04.09.2007 10:37
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Ken
04.09.2007 10:46
Yes, let's look at the tram. It's been a brilliant success, becoming the most used light rail system in the uk, with over 25 million journeys annually, several independant reports commenting on how it has had a major impact on the local economy, and was within a year of operation running at a profit, which, as far as most people are concerned, is a big success story.
The Mayor's plans to build a new tram line from Camden to Brixton via central London are ambitious and brilliant, and should be backed wholeheartedly by anbody who wants to see better public transport in London. I think Mr Livingstone is the only politican in the UK who has the guts to see in public transport programmes that are at odds with the mainstream political mantra and, for that, I have great respect for him.
If Mr Livingstone is seeking money for Crossrail from Londoner's through tax, then I see that as a fault of central government for repeatedly refusing to fund the project, claiming it is too expensive.
I think Crossrail IS vital, and should be supported, and instead of criticising the project itself, we should criticise the way it is financed, which, again, is no personal responsibility of Mr Livingstone, who campaigned for years to be allowed to raise money for TfL through bonds, before being rejected by both The Tories and New Labour.
With Boris Johnson now on the campaign trail, I think all Londoners who value their transport should rally to Mr Livingstone, who, despite his faults, has remained a politician who has always remained ahead of his contemporaries in transport and environmental policies, and, for that, I support him wholeheartedly. Anyone who claims London's transport has not improved markedly over the last seven years must be living in a different city from me.
Hamish Kallin
Backing Superlink instead??
04.09.2007 13:03
Thought the links in the original post, once found, were informative. Thanks. It's great someone's explaining what's going on rather than going off on diversionary rants.
But I'm a bit confused by the tacit backing for Superlink, which appears from the way its website is cited and the fact it is quoted in at least one of the other linked pieces.
Seems a bit odd to post an article complaining about the burden of Crossrail on tax-payers... then plug a scheme that's going to be, erm, several billion pounds *more* expensive and which could result in commuters from further afield winning jobs from inner-city residents.
Norville B
Superlink show how bad Crossrail will be ...
04.09.2007 15:20
However having read some of their reports. I am pointing out that if successful railway planners, who have delivered successful railway projects such as the Channel Tunnel Rail Link and the Eurotunnel are saying the scheme is rubbish while at the same time giving you the true costs of their schemes and the benefits without £400 million of taxpayers money - Why is a Select Committee, Government and Ken so ready to give taxpayers money away without the Crossrail scheme being subject to proper investigation? I wonder...
Hamish - There is no evidence that Crossrail is good for London - it is good for the City but oddly enough the City do not want to pay for a rail scheme that primarily benefits them. I wonder why? A financial millstone. Crossrail has been rightly described as a Millennium Dome but I think of it more as an Olympic size transport failure.
On Ken Livingstone - There is nothing brave about Ken Livingstone, he is nothing short of a gangster, who hides his racist policies by schmoozing the monied set of the groups his policies are against. Hamish, look at his track record on transport. Any man who brought in Bob Kiley has no transport vision unless it is a drunken vision. Ken just schmoozes people he is worried by and buys off those keen to sell their allegiances. I think that is called the Mafia.
notocrossrail
The 'Crossrail Bill' in its present form, is seriously flawed, wasteful....
04.09.2007 20:48
By©Muhammad Haque
Organiser
Khoodeelaar!
The Brick Lane, Whitechapel, Bethnal green and Stepney London E1 Area campaign against the Crossrail hole scam scheme plot, project’ Bill [known as 'the Crossrail Bill' now in the UK House of Commons]
2040 Hrs GMT
London Tuesday 4 September 2007
The point of the campaign is that the 'Crossrail Bill' in its present form, is seriously flawed.
It is economically flawed.
It is fiscally flawed.
It is environmentally flawed.
It is ‘constitutionally’
It is socially flawed
It is undemocratically promoted
And this is the point that we have made in al our examination of all the reports that have been published so far by anyone that has been said to be addressing the transport needs of London.
Why not go back to the drawing board?
What is wrong with spending a coupe of gears going through a the pros and cons and then coming to a reasonable and agreed conclusion?
If spending more than 18 years on one or the other of the 'Crossrail' ‘scheme’ has been tolerated - with close to £1 Billion of public money already spent and or committed to the 'research' and the promotions- what kind of responsible decision will it be if it is made on such an uncertain ‘project’, uncertain in terms of the actual cost to the public and to the environment and uncertain as to the transport needs that it will actually meet.
The crisis in London transport is not MAINLY caused by the lack of capacity, although it is an important factor in the equation. The crisis, as we are witnessing today over the tube workers’ strike, is to do with the management and or the mismanagement of the relevant resources that are available.
Addressing the optimum use of available resource is as important as deciding on what infrastructure to install or to repair.
The current ‘Crossrail Bill’ ‘select committee’ of MPs has been a disgrace in that it has failed to hear the relevant economic, environment and social arguments.
That committee has et down the communities the implications of the CrossRail hoe plot as it affects the East End of London and the committee has behaved equally irrationally and unconstitutionally about objectors from areas like Mayfair in central London.
It is clear on the facts of the promotions that robotically triggered careerists little propagandists have been engaged by the promoters to mechanically support the CrossRail plot while ordinary, majority, sensible views about the pitfalls of the flawed project have been obstructed.
There is still time and opportunity to spare the public the waste of scarce ££ much more needed by the rest of the society.
In the meantime, with an open and honest examination of the transport needs of London will provide the scope for truthful and responsible decision-making which is what should have happened 20 years ago and has not happened.
What has happened is that parasite pluggers who have been dressed up as 'plausible by being presented as cong from some academic spots' have been dishonestly, routinely hauled in to appear on pro-Crossrail hole Bill scheme media slots organised under the influence of Ken Livingstone acting in league with Big Business - to parrot idiotic plugs for Crossrail while refusing to examine why successive dedicated 'inquiries' [of various lengths, remits and sizes] into transport and the UK economy have refused to endorse the sachem.
Like Rod Eddington
Like Myers
Like dozens of others.
Khoodeelaar! the 'No to Crossrail hole Bill' campaign
e-mail:
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The 'Crossrail Bill' in its present form, is seriously flawed, wasteful....
04.09.2007 20:48
Organiser
Khoodeelaar!
The Brick Lane, Whitechapel, Bethnal green and Stepney London E1 Area campaign against the Crossrail hole scam scheme plot, project’ Bill [known as 'the Crossrail Bill' now in the UK House of Commons]
2040 Hrs GMT
London Tuesday 4 September 2007
The point of the campaign is that the 'Crossrail Bill' in its present form, is seriously flawed.
It is economically flawed.
It is fiscally flawed.
It is environmentally flawed.
It is ‘constitutionally’
It is socially flawed
It is undemocratically promoted
And this is the point that we have made in al our examination of all the reports that have been published so far by anyone that has been said to be addressing the transport needs of London.
Why not go back to the drawing board?
What is wrong with spending a coupe of gears going through a the pros and cons and then coming to a reasonable and agreed conclusion?
If spending more than 18 years on one or the other of the 'Crossrail' ‘scheme’ has been tolerated - with close to £1 Billion of public money already spent and or committed to the 'research' and the promotions- what kind of responsible decision will it be if it is made on such an uncertain ‘project’, uncertain in terms of the actual cost to the public and to the environment and uncertain as to the transport needs that it will actually meet.
The crisis in London transport is not MAINLY caused by the lack of capacity, although it is an important factor in the equation. The crisis, as we are witnessing today over the tube workers’ strike, is to do with the management and or the mismanagement of the relevant resources that are available.
Addressing the optimum use of available resource is as important as deciding on what infrastructure to install or to repair.
The current ‘Crossrail Bill’ ‘select committee’ of MPs has been a disgrace in that it has failed to hear the relevant economic, environment and social arguments.
That committee has et down the communities the implications of the CrossRail hoe plot as it affects the East End of London and the committee has behaved equally irrationally and unconstitutionally about objectors from areas like Mayfair in central London.
It is clear on the facts of the promotions that robotically triggered careerists little propagandists have been engaged by the promoters to mechanically support the CrossRail plot while ordinary, majority, sensible views about the pitfalls of the flawed project have been obstructed.
There is still time and opportunity to spare the public the waste of scarce ££ much more needed by the rest of the society.
In the meantime, with an open and honest examination of the transport needs of London will provide the scope for truthful and responsible decision-making which is what should have happened 20 years ago and has not happened.
What has happened is that parasite pluggers who have been dressed up as 'plausible by being presented as cong from some academic spots' have been dishonestly, routinely hauled in to appear on pro-Crossrail hole Bill scheme media slots organised under the influence of Ken Livingstone acting in league with Big Business - to parrot idiotic plugs for Crossrail while refusing to examine why successive dedicated 'inquiries' [of various lengths, remits and sizes] into transport and the UK economy have refused to endorse the sachem.
Like Rod Eddington
Like Myers
Like dozens of others.
Khoodeelaar! the 'No to Crossrail hole Bill' campaign
e-mail:
lawmedia@hotmail.co.uk
Homepage:
http://Khoodeelaar.com
The 'Crossrail Bill' in its present form, is seriously flawed, wasteful....
04.09.2007 20:48
By©Muhammad Haque
Organiser
Khoodeelaar!
The Brick Lane, Whitechapel, Bethnal green and Stepney London E1 Area campaign against the Crossrail hole scam scheme plot, project’ Bill [known as 'the Crossrail Bill' now in the UK House of Commons]
2040 Hrs GMT
London Tuesday 4 September 2007
The point of the campaign is that the 'Crossrail Bill' in its present form, is seriously flawed.
It is economically flawed.
It is fiscally flawed.
It is environmentally flawed.
It is ‘constitutionally’
It is socially flawed
It is undemocratically promoted
And this is the point that we have made in al our examination of all the reports that have been published so far by anyone that has been said to be addressing the transport needs of London.
Why not go back to the drawing board?
What is wrong with spending a coupe of gears going through a the pros and cons and then coming to a reasonable and agreed conclusion?
If spending more than 18 years on one or the other of the 'Crossrail' ‘scheme’ has been tolerated - with close to £1 Billion of public money already spent and or committed to the 'research' and the promotions- what kind of responsible decision will it be if it is made on such an uncertain ‘project’, uncertain in terms of the actual cost to the public and to the environment and uncertain as to the transport needs that it will actually meet.
The crisis in London transport is not MAINLY caused by the lack of capacity, although it is an important factor in the equation. The crisis, as we are witnessing today over the tube workers’ strike, is to do with the management and or the mismanagement of the relevant resources that are available.
Addressing the optimum use of available resource is as important as deciding on what infrastructure to install or to repair.
The current ‘Crossrail Bill’ ‘select committee’ of MPs has been a disgrace in that it has failed to hear the relevant economic, environment and social arguments.
That committee has et down the communities the implications of the CrossRail hoe plot as it affects the East End of London and the committee has behaved equally irrationally and unconstitutionally about objectors from areas like Mayfair in central London.
It is clear on the facts of the promotions that robotically triggered careerists little propagandists have been engaged by the promoters to mechanically support the CrossRail plot while ordinary, majority, sensible views about the pitfalls of the flawed project have been obstructed.
There is still time and opportunity to spare the public the waste of scarce ££ much more needed by the rest of the society.
In the meantime, with an open and honest examination of the transport needs of London will provide the scope for truthful and responsible decision-making which is what should have happened 20 years ago and has not happened.
What has happened is that parasite pluggers who have been dressed up as 'plausible by being presented as cong from some academic spots' have been dishonestly, routinely hauled in to appear on pro-Crossrail hole Bill scheme media slots organised under the influence of Ken Livingstone acting in league with Big Business - to parrot idiotic plugs for Crossrail while refusing to examine why successive dedicated 'inquiries' [of various lengths, remits and sizes] into transport and the UK economy have refused to endorse the sachem.
Like Rod Eddington
Like Myers
Like dozens of others.
Khoodeelaar! the 'No to Crossrail hole Bill' campaign
e-mail:
lawmedia@hotmail.co.uk
Homepage:
http://Khoodeelaar.com
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Ken...
10.10.2007 16:18
Identify one rascist policy please...?
"Hamish, look at his track record on transport."
Overseen a massive £10 billion investment in the Tube, a complete overhaul of London's bus network, supports the tram line through central London, brought in the congestion charge, puts funding into encouraging cycling, has made London buses entirely disabled friendly and well beyond EU environmental recommendations, has made massive improvements to queue timings with the arrival of the Oyster, has given free bus travel to under 11s, slashed the bus fare to 90p, protected the Freedom Pass for London's elderly, has overseen the expansion of the DLR and the creation of London Overground, and ambitions new rail link around London. Not a bad track record on transport I'd say.
"Any man who brought in Bob Kiley has no transport vision"
Bob Kiley was perhaps the most successful transport consultant in the world, famously overseeing the revitalisation from ruin of the public transport systems in both Boston and New York. I'd say signing him on wasn't too stupid. In hindsight, of course, it is easy to say it was a waste of money, but at the time, that represented a great transport vision.
"Ken just schmoozes people he is worried by and buys off those keen to sell their allegiances. I think that is called the Mafia."
No, I think that is called politics. Name a single politician (ever) who has not done that?
Hamish Kallin
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