"assumption based propaganda" Please explain what this is.

"highly wealthy and successful City wants taxpayers and the public to fund the cost of £30 billion" Does the city not pay taxes, huge corporation taxes?


"Rogue media like the Financial Crimes, Guardian of the Establishment, the British Bullshit Corporation and ITN are involved in propaganda to promote it" Any proof, or is this just a feeling because they don't agree with you.

"disreputable companies like Bechtel" Care to back that up with any facts?

"Adrian Montague CBE, awarded the corruption award from the queen" Ditto

No to NIMBY's, no to unsubstantiated nonsense - yes to public transport.

By ©Muhammad Haque
Organizer
Khoodeelaar!
0932 Hrs GMT
London
Thursday 30 August 2007


We agree on general principles with original post but would ask the poster to give info

We would like to know about the £30 Billion, because up to now, our own figure for the Crossrail hole project has ranged around £20 Billion [at 2005 prices] which we have been arriving at by using the various criteria as based on the main explanatory and technical documentation and related information as published by the promoters of the Crossrail scam.

Of course, we accept that it is possible to see the costs reaching £30 Billion if overruns and factors that cause construction overruns are included. These factors include the universally acknowledged propensity on the part of ‘big conglomerates’ to use the ‘uncertainty’ of calculation as a constant factor to cause and then to justify overruns running into so much extra costs burdens and wastes.

As for the un-named, unsigned poster doing the now familiar abuse of what they call Nimbys [a totally false and stupid tag to flick at anyone who is sensible and wants a sensible view against the nonsensical Crossrail to be put in the record], it is most likely Ken Livingstone doing his usual stuff via the 100 or so paid for propagandists, used at the expense of the people of London in a miniature Stalinist operation that the Lying Mr. Livingstone runs at the TfL - that get away with lying daily at the expense of the people of London.

All objective researches show that Bechtel corporation is a seriously bad influence on the environment and on local and regional economies and above all, on the rights of people across the globe to have a standard of life that is compatible with the relevant local, regional and 'national' economy and correspondingly desirable and good environment. Nobody needs to be made to feel inadequate because they point out the bad influence against societies, against economies and against people as caused by and as associated with such a bad and corrosive conglomerate as the unaccountable Bechtel…

Finally on the point of public transport, we all prefer to have a public transport system that is not attained by destroying our environment and our health and our livelihood. Where would ‘public transport’ be if people who are assumed to use it, are too ill or too impoverished or too overwhelmed with false propaganda - that is based on abusing and misusing the concept and the realities of public transport to aid and abet Crossrail- to be able to use it?

Show that you are honest and have the courage of your pretensions. Identify yourself by name and organization or by any ordinary and truthful standard. We shall then know who you are and why you keep popping up whenever we see any campaigning post arguing against the wasteful liability that is Crossrail. Face the facts: we do have to create a balance between the capacity of the UK economy and the needs that are objectively verifiably genuine.

Drop all plans that are artificially created to give big business and their likes excuses to rob the public, including public transport,. of vital and scarce community resources.

ONE-THIRD OF BIGGEST BUSINESSES PAYS NO TAX

A National Audit Office analysis of Britain's 700 largest companies has found that almost a third paid no corporation tax in the 2005-06 financial year. Another 30 percent of firms each paid less than 10 million pounds. The analysis by the spending watchdog could fuel the debate surrounding the UK's generous tax treatment of interest costs, which allow highly geared companies to cut their bills. Just 50 businesses in sectors largely unable to take advantage of gearing were responsible for 67 percent of the 24.4 billion pounds in tax revenue generated by the companies studied.

Hi there, I'm Norville B and I'm a London resident working in the east of the city.

I keep having to post the same thing every time one of the Crossrail rant comes up. And noone has given me an answer.

It's this - I appreciate there are some reasons why Crossrail will not be a good thing. I, for one, am sad that it's going to disrupt Stepney city farm. But public transport is a fundamental good thing in my view, and, sadly, public transport in London is rubbish and over-crowded.

So the benefits of something like Crossrail seem to far outweigh the problems. It's going to help regenerate the East of the city for a start and mean I can see family quicker and - hopefully - have fewer tube and bus journeys where I'm crushed into someone's armpit.

Could you please explain - clearly - what's rubbish about it. And not do the usual Khondelaaar thing of going off on some generalised roger-irrelevent anti-Bush/BBC/Guardian rant. It just makes you look like a bunch of whingeing NIMBYs who are pissed off about the fact it's going to affect parking around Brick Lane.

I'm willing to have my mind changed on this one. But every time I ask for clarification - some evidence - I just get more ranty rubbish.

thanks,

Norville B

(Oh - and piss off with the suggestions that everyone who asks what you're on about works for Ken Livingstone)