Israel’s Jewish problem in Tehran
Jonathan Cook | 04.08.2007 08:50 | Anti-militarism | Anti-racism | Terror War | World
There is an interesting problem with selling the “Iran as Nazi Germany” line. If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, ready to commit genocide against Israel’s Jews as soon as he can get his hands on a nuclear weapon, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran and more than reluctant to leave despite repeated enticements from Israel and American Jews?
Iran is the new Nazi Germany and its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the new Hitler. Or so Israeli officials have been declaring for months as they and their American allies try to persuade the doubters in Washington that an attack on Tehran is essential. And if the latest media reports are to be trusted, it looks like they may again be winning the battle for hearts and minds: Vice-President Dick Cheney is said to be diverting the White House back on track to launch a military strike.
Earlier this year Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s opposition leader and the man who appears to be styling himself scaremonger-in-chief, told us: “It’s 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs.” Of Ahmadinejad, he said: “He is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state.”
A few weeks ago, as Israel’s military intelligence claimed -- as it has been doing regularly since the early 1990s -- that Iran is only a year or so away from the “point of no return” on developing a nuclear warhead, Netanyahu was at it again. “Iran could be the first undeterrable nuclear power,” he warned, adding: “This is a Jewish problem like Hitler was a Jewish problem … The future of the Jewish people depends on the future of Israel.”
But Netanyahu has been far from alone in making extravagant claims about a looming genocide from Iran. Israel’s new president, Shimon Peres, has compared an Iranian nuclear bomb to a “flying concentration camp.” And the prime minister, Ehud Olmert, told a German newspaper last year: “[Ahmadinejad] speaks as Hitler did in his time of the extermination of the entire Jewish nation.”
There is an interesting problem with selling the “Iran as Nazi Germany” line. If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, ready to commit genocide against Israel’s Jews as soon as he can get his hands on a nuclear weapon, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran and more than reluctant to leave despite repeated enticements from Israel and American Jews?
What is the basis for Israel’s dire forecasts -- the ideological scaffolding being erected, presumably, to justify an attack on Iran? Helpfully, as George Bush defended his Iraq policies last month, he reminded us yet again of the menace Iran supposedly poses: it is “threatening to wipe Israel off the map”.
This myth has been endlessly recycled since a translating error was made of a speech Ahmadinejad delivered nearly two years ago. Farsi experts have verified that the Iranian president, far from threatening to destroy Israel, was quoting from an earlier speech by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in which he reassured supporters of the Palestinians that “the Zionist regime in Jerusalem” would “vanish from the page of time”.
He was not threatening to exterminate Jews or even Israel. He was comparing Israel’s occupation of the Palestinians with other illegitimate systems of rule whose time had passed, including the Shahs who once ruled Iran, apartheid South Africa and the Soviet empire. Nonetheless, this erroneous translation has survived and prospered because Israel and her supporters have exploited it for their own crude propaganda purposes.
In the meantime, the 25,000-strong Iranian Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel and traces its roots back 3,000 years. As one of several non-Muslim minorities in Iran, Jews there suffer discrimination, but they are certainly no worse off than the one million Palestinian citizens of Israel -- and far better off than Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.
Iranian Jews have little influence on decision-making and are not allowed to hold senior posts in the army or bureaucracy. But they enjoy many freedoms. They have an elected representative in parliament, they practice their religion openly in synagogues, their charities are funded by the Jewish diaspora, and they can travel freely, including to Israel. In Tehran there are six kosher butchers and about 30 synagogues. Ahmadinejad’s office recently made a donation to a Jewish hospital in Tehran.
As Ciamak Moresadegh, an Iranian Jewish leader, observed: “If you think Judaism and Zionism are one, it is like thinking Islam and the Taliban are the same, and they are not.” Iran’s leaders denounce Zionism, which they blame for fueling discrimination against the Palestinians, but they have also repeatedly avowed that they have no problem with Jews, Judaism or even the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad, caricatured as a merchant of genocide, has in fact called for ‘regime change’ -- and then only in the sense that he believes a referendum should be held of all inhabitants of Israel and the occupied territories, including refugees from war, on the nature of the government.
Despite the absence of any threat to Iran’s Jews, the Israeli media recently reported that the Israeli government has been trying to find new ways to entice Iranian Jews to Israel. The Ma’ariv newspaper pointed out that previous schemes had found few takers. There was, noted the report, “a lack of desire on the part of thousands of Iranian Jews to leave”. According to the New York-based Forward newspaper, a campaign to convince Iranian Jews to emigrate to Israel caused only 152 out of these 25,000 Jews to leave Iran between October 2005 and September 2006, and most of them were said to have emigrated for economic reasons, not political ones.
To step up these efforts -- and presumably to avoid the embarrassing incongruence of claiming an imminent second Holocaust while thousands of Jews live happily in Tehran -- Israel is now backing a move by Jewish donors to guarantee every Iranian Jewish family $60,000 to settle in Israel, in addition to a host of existing financial incentives that are offered to Jewish immigrants, including loans and cheap mortgages.
The announcement was met with scorn by the Society of Iranian Jews, which issued a statement that their national identity was not for sale. “The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran’s Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews.”
However, this financial gesture may not only be unwelcome but self-fulfilling too, if past experience is the yardstick. Israel introduced a similar scheme a few years ago, when Argentina’s economy plunged into deep recession, broadcasting an offer of $20,000 to every Jew who settled in Israel. Months later the Israeli media reported a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in Argentina, only adding to the pressure on Jews there to leave. Of course, there was no mention of a possible causal connection between the attacks and Israel’s generous offer to Jews to abandon their homeland as other Argentinians sank into poverty.
But if financial enticements -- and a possible popular backlash -- fail to move Iranian Jews, there is good reason to fear that Israel may resort to other, more dubious ways of encouraging them to emigrate. That is certainly a path Israel has chosen before with other communities of Arab Jews, whom it has regarded either as a pool of potential spies and agents provocateurs to be used when needed or as “human dust”, in the words of Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben Gurion, to be recruited to Israel’s “demographic battle” against the Palestinians.
In “Operation Susannah” of 1954, for example, Israel recklessly recruited a group of Egyptian Jews to stage a series of explosions in Egypt in a bid to discourage Britain from withdrawing from the Suez Canal zone. When the plot came to light, it naturally cast a shadow of disloyalty over Egypt’s wider Jewish community. Following Israel’s invasion and occupation of Sinai two years later, the government of Gamal Abdel Nasser expelled some 25,000 Egyptian Jews and, after others were imprisoned on suspicion of spying, the rest soon left.
Even more notoriously, Israel went to greater lengths to ensure the exit of the Arab world’s largest Jewish population, in Iraq. In 1950 a series of bombs targeted on Jews in Baghdad forced a rapid exodus of some 130,000 Iraqi Jews to Israel, convinced that Arab extremists were behind the attacks. Only later did it emerge that the bombs had been planted by members of the Zionist underground, supported by the Israeli government.
Now, Iran’s Jews may find themselves treated in much the same manner -- as simple human fodder. Stories are growing of Israel exploiting the free movement between Iran and Israel enjoyed by Iranian Jews and their Israeli relatives to carry out spying operations on Iran’s nuclear programme. Such reports have come from reliable sources such as the American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, citing US government officials.
The fallout from such actions is not difficult to predict. Besieged by the US and the international community, Tehran is cracking down on dissent and minority groups, fearful that its own grip on power is shaky and that the well-publicised subversion being carried out by US and Israeli agents is likely only to be stepped up. So far most officials in Tehran have been careful to avoid suggesting that Iran’s Jews have double loyalties, as has the local Jewish community itself, both of them aware of Israel’s interests in provoking such a confrontation. But as the strains increase, and Israel’s need to prove Tehran’s genocidal intent grows ever stronger, that policy may end up being forfeited -- and with it the future of Iran’s Jews.
More important than the welfare of Iranian Jewish families, it seems, is the value of Iranian Jews as a propaganda tool in Israel’s battle to persuade the world that coexistence with the Muslim world is impossible. For those who want to engineer a clash of civilizations, the 3,000-year-old Jewish legacy in Iran is not something to be treasured, only another obstacle to war.
* Jonathan Cook, a journalist based in Nazareth, Israel, is the author of Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State (Pluto Press). His website is www.jkcook.net
Earlier this year Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s opposition leader and the man who appears to be styling himself scaremonger-in-chief, told us: “It’s 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs.” Of Ahmadinejad, he said: “He is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state.”
A few weeks ago, as Israel’s military intelligence claimed -- as it has been doing regularly since the early 1990s -- that Iran is only a year or so away from the “point of no return” on developing a nuclear warhead, Netanyahu was at it again. “Iran could be the first undeterrable nuclear power,” he warned, adding: “This is a Jewish problem like Hitler was a Jewish problem … The future of the Jewish people depends on the future of Israel.”
But Netanyahu has been far from alone in making extravagant claims about a looming genocide from Iran. Israel’s new president, Shimon Peres, has compared an Iranian nuclear bomb to a “flying concentration camp.” And the prime minister, Ehud Olmert, told a German newspaper last year: “[Ahmadinejad] speaks as Hitler did in his time of the extermination of the entire Jewish nation.”
There is an interesting problem with selling the “Iran as Nazi Germany” line. If Ahmadinejad really is Hitler, ready to commit genocide against Israel’s Jews as soon as he can get his hands on a nuclear weapon, why are some 25,000 Jews living peacefully in Iran and more than reluctant to leave despite repeated enticements from Israel and American Jews?
What is the basis for Israel’s dire forecasts -- the ideological scaffolding being erected, presumably, to justify an attack on Iran? Helpfully, as George Bush defended his Iraq policies last month, he reminded us yet again of the menace Iran supposedly poses: it is “threatening to wipe Israel off the map”.
This myth has been endlessly recycled since a translating error was made of a speech Ahmadinejad delivered nearly two years ago. Farsi experts have verified that the Iranian president, far from threatening to destroy Israel, was quoting from an earlier speech by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in which he reassured supporters of the Palestinians that “the Zionist regime in Jerusalem” would “vanish from the page of time”.
He was not threatening to exterminate Jews or even Israel. He was comparing Israel’s occupation of the Palestinians with other illegitimate systems of rule whose time had passed, including the Shahs who once ruled Iran, apartheid South Africa and the Soviet empire. Nonetheless, this erroneous translation has survived and prospered because Israel and her supporters have exploited it for their own crude propaganda purposes.
In the meantime, the 25,000-strong Iranian Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel and traces its roots back 3,000 years. As one of several non-Muslim minorities in Iran, Jews there suffer discrimination, but they are certainly no worse off than the one million Palestinian citizens of Israel -- and far better off than Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.
Iranian Jews have little influence on decision-making and are not allowed to hold senior posts in the army or bureaucracy. But they enjoy many freedoms. They have an elected representative in parliament, they practice their religion openly in synagogues, their charities are funded by the Jewish diaspora, and they can travel freely, including to Israel. In Tehran there are six kosher butchers and about 30 synagogues. Ahmadinejad’s office recently made a donation to a Jewish hospital in Tehran.
As Ciamak Moresadegh, an Iranian Jewish leader, observed: “If you think Judaism and Zionism are one, it is like thinking Islam and the Taliban are the same, and they are not.” Iran’s leaders denounce Zionism, which they blame for fueling discrimination against the Palestinians, but they have also repeatedly avowed that they have no problem with Jews, Judaism or even the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad, caricatured as a merchant of genocide, has in fact called for ‘regime change’ -- and then only in the sense that he believes a referendum should be held of all inhabitants of Israel and the occupied territories, including refugees from war, on the nature of the government.
Despite the absence of any threat to Iran’s Jews, the Israeli media recently reported that the Israeli government has been trying to find new ways to entice Iranian Jews to Israel. The Ma’ariv newspaper pointed out that previous schemes had found few takers. There was, noted the report, “a lack of desire on the part of thousands of Iranian Jews to leave”. According to the New York-based Forward newspaper, a campaign to convince Iranian Jews to emigrate to Israel caused only 152 out of these 25,000 Jews to leave Iran between October 2005 and September 2006, and most of them were said to have emigrated for economic reasons, not political ones.
To step up these efforts -- and presumably to avoid the embarrassing incongruence of claiming an imminent second Holocaust while thousands of Jews live happily in Tehran -- Israel is now backing a move by Jewish donors to guarantee every Iranian Jewish family $60,000 to settle in Israel, in addition to a host of existing financial incentives that are offered to Jewish immigrants, including loans and cheap mortgages.
The announcement was met with scorn by the Society of Iranian Jews, which issued a statement that their national identity was not for sale. “The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money. Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran’s Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews.”
However, this financial gesture may not only be unwelcome but self-fulfilling too, if past experience is the yardstick. Israel introduced a similar scheme a few years ago, when Argentina’s economy plunged into deep recession, broadcasting an offer of $20,000 to every Jew who settled in Israel. Months later the Israeli media reported a rise in anti-Semitic attacks in Argentina, only adding to the pressure on Jews there to leave. Of course, there was no mention of a possible causal connection between the attacks and Israel’s generous offer to Jews to abandon their homeland as other Argentinians sank into poverty.
But if financial enticements -- and a possible popular backlash -- fail to move Iranian Jews, there is good reason to fear that Israel may resort to other, more dubious ways of encouraging them to emigrate. That is certainly a path Israel has chosen before with other communities of Arab Jews, whom it has regarded either as a pool of potential spies and agents provocateurs to be used when needed or as “human dust”, in the words of Israel’s first prime minister, David Ben Gurion, to be recruited to Israel’s “demographic battle” against the Palestinians.
In “Operation Susannah” of 1954, for example, Israel recklessly recruited a group of Egyptian Jews to stage a series of explosions in Egypt in a bid to discourage Britain from withdrawing from the Suez Canal zone. When the plot came to light, it naturally cast a shadow of disloyalty over Egypt’s wider Jewish community. Following Israel’s invasion and occupation of Sinai two years later, the government of Gamal Abdel Nasser expelled some 25,000 Egyptian Jews and, after others were imprisoned on suspicion of spying, the rest soon left.
Even more notoriously, Israel went to greater lengths to ensure the exit of the Arab world’s largest Jewish population, in Iraq. In 1950 a series of bombs targeted on Jews in Baghdad forced a rapid exodus of some 130,000 Iraqi Jews to Israel, convinced that Arab extremists were behind the attacks. Only later did it emerge that the bombs had been planted by members of the Zionist underground, supported by the Israeli government.
Now, Iran’s Jews may find themselves treated in much the same manner -- as simple human fodder. Stories are growing of Israel exploiting the free movement between Iran and Israel enjoyed by Iranian Jews and their Israeli relatives to carry out spying operations on Iran’s nuclear programme. Such reports have come from reliable sources such as the American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, citing US government officials.
The fallout from such actions is not difficult to predict. Besieged by the US and the international community, Tehran is cracking down on dissent and minority groups, fearful that its own grip on power is shaky and that the well-publicised subversion being carried out by US and Israeli agents is likely only to be stepped up. So far most officials in Tehran have been careful to avoid suggesting that Iran’s Jews have double loyalties, as has the local Jewish community itself, both of them aware of Israel’s interests in provoking such a confrontation. But as the strains increase, and Israel’s need to prove Tehran’s genocidal intent grows ever stronger, that policy may end up being forfeited -- and with it the future of Iran’s Jews.
More important than the welfare of Iranian Jewish families, it seems, is the value of Iranian Jews as a propaganda tool in Israel’s battle to persuade the world that coexistence with the Muslim world is impossible. For those who want to engineer a clash of civilizations, the 3,000-year-old Jewish legacy in Iran is not something to be treasured, only another obstacle to war.
* Jonathan Cook, a journalist based in Nazareth, Israel, is the author of Blood and Religion: The Unmasking of the Jewish and Democratic State (Pluto Press). His website is www.jkcook.net
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Oh, lucky them
04.08.2007 13:49
citpecs
load of rubbish
04.08.2007 16:55
most iranian jews have left since the revolution. the ones who stayed are forced to hide their real feelings on israel and to keep a low profile. Ahmadinejad organized an international conference of holocaust deniers in his capital city. How can someone who does that not be antisemitic?
the voice of common sense
Sickening
04.08.2007 23:26
This exposes the utter emptiness of the Zionist Extremists' Propaganda, as they prepare for a long-planned Act of Aggression against Iran, and manipulate the public to that end.
It should be kept in mind that their Madness will no doubt kill fellow Jews within Iran (and obviously, Israeli Jews as well, as well as American soldiers). But this seems about par for the course for an ideology whose leaders, collaborating with Hitler, remarked than any Jew who would not emmigrate to Palestine "deserve to be on the trains".
Zionism, Irrelevant Within A Generation
Sickening? Yes, indeed, you are.
05.08.2007 00:11
Now, let's see - these historical experts - David Duke? Former Head of the Klu Klax Klan?
Riiiight ....
citpecs
Truly baffling
05.08.2007 11:17
A former Ku Klux Klan leader and French professor Robert Faurisson are among those participating in the conference.
Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has said that the Holocaust is a myth
Iran said that the aim of the forum was to find answers to questions about the Holocaust.
Ahmadinejad has described the Holocaust as a "myth", and openly doubts the scale of the slaughter"
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/11372A84-1E7B-400C-9B16-298CDDBDC5CD.htm
Sounds very fair and balanced and very much like a normal "history" conference. Which as a convention are always presented by heads of state.
I suppose the KKK are just misunderstood? And they are right when they say that Hitler himself has been misrepresented?
A reassessment of Stalin would make a better focus, considering how lightly the West skipped over his crimes.
Unfortunately, the 9/11 Truth movement has been a magnet to, if not totally hijacked by 'NWO rule the world" types. Which in turn is rapidly suffocating the credibility of any calls for a real investigation of 9/11. They key decision makers around that event must love it.
These NWO guys are pretty much just Aryan Nations Lite. Which is more insidious as at least AN make themselves apparent by coming straight out and say what they believe ("Jews rule the world", "Blacks are subhuman"). The NWO lot try to rehabilitate these ideas in a more subtle mainstream-friendly way.
Now I guess we'll hear the utterly ridiculous charge that Al Jazeera is a tool of Western State propaganda. I suppose the numerous Coalition bombings of them were their own little "false flags".
And what competent psyops outfit would ever think that posting war propaganda here would make any difference to anything or anyone? Do you really think that anyone would expect that people here would start calling for air strikes on Tehran because of a few extremists? And that those people would somehow act as a wider catalyst??? No one here is even calling for air strikes on Texas or Israel let alone some country who isn't pounding civllians into extinction!
Makes as much sense as trying to recruit Quakers into Combat 18.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29#Specific_ideas_about_who_is_behind_the_conspiracy
HMSO
Israeli Strike Will Kill Jews
05.08.2007 23:23
But that isn't the issue here.
This article exposes the utter emptiness of the Zionist Extremists' Propaganda, as they prepare for a long-planned Act of Aggression against Iran, and manipulate the public to that end.
It should be kept in mind that their Madness will no doubt kill fellow Jews within Iran (and obviously, Israeli Jews as well, as well as American soldiers). But this seems about par for the course for an ideology whose leaders, collaborating with Hitler, remarked than any Jew who would not emmigrate to Palestine "deserve to be on the trains".
Investigate, Impeach, Imprison
Klu Klux Klan
06.08.2007 08:23
I have no particular liking for the political class of any country, or for racists, but I also do not want to see the working classes of any country slaughtered off the back of whatever bullshit the political elite may be up to, anywhere.
The "conference" invited a Klansman to talk about the Holocaust. If you think that is anything less than offensive you should perhaps you should consider posting somewhere where race hate is the norm. I have to assume that you really don't know what the KKK are to be able to gloss over this point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
Quite how being appalled at the KKK being given a platform for genocide denial equates to a call for war against Iran is beyond me. Does being anti war now come with being a racist as a prerequisite?
Aside, do you think that Hitler has been misrepresented? Do you think that the holocaust is a hoax? Do you think that Israel controls US foreign policy?
You may also wish to note that in non-dysfunctional systems the criminal justice system runs thus: investigate, charge, try, convict/acquit.
HMSO
Further To Comments
06.08.2007 23:27
In this case, however, it happens that Zionist Extremists are the ones plotting further Acts of Aggression, and this piece exposes the emptiness of their Propaganda/Lies about Iran.
"The "conference" invited a Klansman to talk about the Holocaust."
It's my understanding that they initiated contact, not the other way around, and that their contributions were condemned and ridiculed. I'm not defending them, I'm just responding to the misinformation about the event, which was used to distract from the original article.
"Aside, do you think that Hitler has been misrepresented? Do you think that the holocaust is a hoax?"
No, but nice "aside" ...
"Do you think that Israel controls US foreign policy?"
Under Bush/PNAC, I think they have more power over US policy than ever before, and their own Extremists are little different than those in the US, many of them one and the same.
"You may also wish to note that in non-dysfunctional systems the criminal justice system runs thus: investigate, charge, try, convict/acquit."
I'm quite confident of what the investigations would find, as much of the evidence is already out there. However, that would assume that the US is still a non-dysfunctional system ...
But that isn't the issue here.
This article exposes the utter emptiness of the Zionist Extremists' Propaganda, as they prepare for a long-planned Act of Aggression against Iran, and manipulate the public to that end.
It should be kept in mind that their Madness will no doubt kill fellow Jews within Iran (and obviously, Israeli Jews as well, as well as American soldiers). But this seems about par for the course for an ideology whose leaders, collaborating with Hitler, remarked than any Jew who would not emmigrate to Palestine "deserve to be on the trains".
No War
You sir are a liar, a slanderer and an antisemite
07.08.2007 08:21
You should know that you are guilty of a despicable act of libel, slander and misinformation. No Zionist ever did or ever would say such a thing.
But then that's par for the course for a typical UK Indymedia poster. I am not surprised, and full expect this post to be hidden or even deleted. But then that's also par for the course for the laughably un-free and un-censored "free and uncensored" Indymedia.
ex-Brit
Grand wizardry
07.08.2007 08:45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_conference#Attendees
I think any reasonable person would conclude that the whole event was designed as an act antagonism.
The fact that the US, UK & Israel is fabricating bullshit left right and centre against Iran doesn't stop Ahmadinejad being a prick. And pointing out that doesn't equate to endorsing a war. It's at the most suggesting reform. Which I'm keener to see happening here first.
He is undoubtedly gunning at the right governments (US, UK, Israel) but branding holocaust survivors as hoaxsters, which the antendee list of this conference alone does, is just dangerously stupid. Aligning yourself with Nazis has never proved to be a wise move historically.
Much of what you say leads me to think that you have at least one foot in the ultra-right wing conspiracy community (AKA NWO Conspiracy). Though I'm not sure how conscious you are of the origins of many of your opinions.
Anyway, "I'm quite confident of what the investigations would find, as much of the evidence is already out there. "
Well to any reasonable person that statement is totally absurd. Someone who has no access to the actual "evidence" or has been near the evidential process couldn't be confident of anything, unless you are using "delusional" as a synonym. The only time you can be totally confident of the outcome of a criminal process is if you have a corrupt system at your disposal.
Evidence isn't ever "out there", it is proof of action that is collated, assessed, catalogued and presented by competent people (subject matter experts) and then assessed further by the prosecutor then ultimately accepted/rejected by a judge before it gets near the real decision making process. Finally is either validated or rejected by the judiciary or a jury. In a sense, it will only become "evidence" in a any meaningful way if a conviction occurs, otherwise from a legal standpoint it was no evidence of anything.
That process hasn't even started against Bush and kidding yourself on that a few whackos on the Net counts only makes it more likely that it never ever will.
Hersh's 'Chain of Command' lays out quite graphically where a case against Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would have to go. You need to collect affidavits/depositions from people in key positions; you need to get hold of leaked documents; you need to amass enough material to persuade a judge to give you access to even more material. That's how you blow the Pig's house down. Talking crap on the Internet will just serve as (self-) distraction and nothing more.
No one seems to be going after that case and none of the supposed activists seems to be even calling for that case to be prosecuted. They seem instead content to just wallow in their own fantasy fiction with an aura of self-prophesising failure or go prosthletise the same useless junk... usually at people who have already heard it and don't want to hear any more.
Prove me wrong and start building a prosecutable case!
Bye!
HMSO
Israeli War Will Kill Jews
09.08.2007 02:20
They most certainly did. Do some research before commenting.
"It's irrelevant who spoke to whom first."
Not when you claim that someone was formally "invited".
What is irrelevant is this entire Distraction, since this isn't the subject.
"I would hope that anyone just slightly left of Margaret Thatcher would find that truly appalling."
I do. So did the majority of people at the conference. That's the point.
"The fact that the US, UK & Israel is fabricating bullshit left right and centre against Iran doesn't stop Ahmadinejad being a prick."
I quite agree. But their plot to attack Iran precedes his Government. He is irrelevant, the excuse being used to 'justify' further illegal Acts of Aggression.
"but branding holocaust survivors as hoaxsters"
He didn't.
"Much of what you say leads me to think that you ..."
Are a Plant, here only to distract from the topic at hand, as evidenced by the fact that this irrelevant issue was even raised on this thread.
Look, I condemn wholeheartedly the asanine meeting, but you're spreading falsehoods about it, and I'm simply pointing them out. That doesn't mean I support the work.
Anyway, "I'm quite confident of what the investigations would find, as much of the evidence is already out there. "
"Well to any reasonable person that statement is totally absurd."
Not to any reasonable person who's witnessed what's occured over the past six years.
"Someone who has no access to the actual "evidence"
The evidence already supports the case. Investigation would only find more of it.
"Evidence isn't ever "out there", it is proof of action that is collated, assessed, catalogued and presented by competent people"
This has already been done, on numerous occassions, regarding these criminal warmongers. The failure of the rest of the Government to take action against their litany of High Crimes is evidence of a broken, wholly-corrupt system.
The fact that you've perpetuated this Distraction in such a long-winded manner only reinforces the supicion that you are a Plant.
But that isn't the issue here.
This article exposes the utter emptiness of the Zionist Extremists' Propaganda, as they prepare for a long-planned Act of Aggression against Iran, and manipulate the public to that end.
It should be kept in mind that their Madness will no doubt kill fellow Jews within Iran (and obviously, Israeli Jews as well, as well as American soldiers). But this seems about par for the course for an ideology whose leaders, collaborating with Hitler, remarked than any Jew who would not emmigrate to Palestine "deserve to be on the trains".
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