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Recent attacks: a gift/slap from old friends?

Domiphen Bromide | 02.07.2007 17:18 | Terror War

The latest news on the Glasgow Airport suspects is that one is Jordanian and the other is Iraqi. The Jordanian connection could prove to be quite embarrassing or useful depending how it plays out or is exploited.

Things could be about to get very strange in the investigations into the recent bungled bombings it transpires that one suspect is apparently Jordanian:

 http://www.startribune.com/722/story/1280194.html

If a Jordanian al Qaeda link is established/fabricated (and given the sloppiness of the attacks the involvement of real al Qaeda commander would be difficult to believe), it will likely point to this guy:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Bakri_Mohammed

He was closely tied to the Al-Muhajiroun and the so-called Finsbury Park al Qaeda cell and is believed by some journalists to have been brought to the UK by Hm Gvt. with the explicit task of recruiting mujahadin for the Balkans. He was a cohort of Abu Hamzu and Aswat- all three are believed to be the real brains/fixers behind 7/7. There is indecision whether or not, as with his close colleagues, his role was double agent or flat out MI5/6/CIA asset.

After 7/7 there seems to have been a bit of a fall out of sorts, but the backlash was rather half-hearted if not downright suspicious.

In the course of Operation Crevice he was allowed to skip the country and his re-entry from Jordan was blocked. Aswat was also conveniently unobtainable and Blair seemingly blanked an offer of extradition when the US picked him up. Abu Hamza was prosecuted under newly cooked up "religious hatred", the theory being, so as to avoid terrorism charges that could have brought to light his relationship with the intelligence community.

Make of it what you will, but a Jordanian angle to this will be controversial.

 http://nafeez.blogspot.com/2006/08/asian-news-77-cock-up-or-conspiracy.html
 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20050801&articleId=782

Domiphen Bromide

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The US Knew A Fortnight Ago

02.07.2007 17:54

Various articles here were hidden by IM admins that claimed the US knew two weeks in advance that a terrorist attack was planned at Glasgow Airport but they didn't inform the UK. I don't blame the admins for hiding those articles as they seemed unbelievable, but they have now been reported on BBC Scotland, ABC and in the Telegraph.

This throws the case wide open. This was known about a fortnight ago and nothing was done. It is reminiscent of the month of warning about Lockerbie that were kept hidden from the British public. If this doesn't indicate culpability then it does show criminal negligence by the authorities.

Like I said, I don't blame the IM admins for hiding the original posts as they seemed so unbelievable, but I would ask you lot to bear in mind that these are extraordinary times. If you can repost the original IM article then I'd appreciate it, if you can't, then I think you should be a tad more circumspect in the coming weeks about what is hidden.

Danny
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Editing

02.07.2007 18:52

To be fair, just because the UK was warned two weeks ago, and by the preponderance of this story I assume it is also on the intel community newswires and thereby credible, doesn't mean to say they had enough information to know who to watch.

Without anything more specific, that story is going nowhere.

I would like to stress that even the connections mentioned above are no clear proof of inside jobs. Any role in 7/7 by these people could equally be so-called blowback/betrayal. That could only be ascertained through a real, independent inquiry.

Given the amount of journalistic and academic material indicating the Finsbury Park Mosque's relationship to the dirty war in the Balkans, we do have to start wondering what exactly Blair was hiding by blocking such an inquiry. At the very least the fact that MI5/6 was employing these terrorists to circumvent UN resolutions.

Until an inquiry is given free access to documents and witnesses, no one will ever know for sure, either way. One thing is for sure, they seem to have something highly illegal worth hiding despite being such obvious liars.

Even if 7/7 and recent events weren't inside jobs, the fact the UK has been sponsoring terrorism abroad alone is illegal enough to see scores of people behind bars, if someone was actually able to gather the evidence, build the case and present it to a court that couldn't be undermined by the Attorney General.

Domiphen Bromide

"Jordanian angle"

02.07.2007 18:52

What a strange post - according to the mainstream media we're looking at a Jordanian of Palestinian origin who was arrested on a motorway with his wife. The OP seems to have jumped several steps, as the guy hasn't been charged, let alone convicted.

Whilst radio 4 is rabbiting on about a controlled explosion at a hospital in Paisley, Debka reckons there wasn't any explosive material in the car.
 http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4363

Danny - there was no "original IM article" - it was a straight repost from ynet.

Now Debka is saying that the Amerikkans were taken by surprise as they didn't expect Glasgow to be a target.
 http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4373

Tang Jiaxuan

Tang Jiaxuan

02.07.2007 19:13

The fact that this information has started creeping all over the media is of potential significance itself.

The Jordan connection speaks for itself and would be of great significance if a link was established either honestly or dishonestly, for all sorts of reasons. It could be exploited and abused in a million ways. Where the original suggestion of home-grown terrorists is of limited use.

It is going to be difficult to shut some terrorism experts up on the subject of Bakri if the angle takes off, and the government will be in high spin cycle to deflect the fact they effectively refused to arrest the guy.

But as you rightly say, they could end up just letting him go. Either way, as the Bakri story proves, it will be no indication of innocence or guilt if he isn't charged.

Domiphen Bromide

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TP = BNP = MI5

02.07.2007 19:42

Yesterday a member of Trident Ploughshares and a resident of Peaton Glen Woods called for "the public to dispense local justice to these cretinous jihadis" following the attack on Glasgow airport. He has previously called for the violent expulsion of Faslane and has admitted here attacking a girl half his age and size.

I've just heard my local Islamic centre was petrol bombed today. I have endured 8 months of abuse from this TP member and find it extremely suspicious that it was my local Islamic centre that was attacked, especially since I can't account for he was - and I normally can.

I had approached senior TP figures saying I believe that they are hosting an MI5/fascist infiltrator with no response and no investigation. I would like someone credible to vouch for his whereabouts at the time of this attack, and I would like a public statement from TP condemning religious violence. I also think that group has got the point where they need some sort of internal investigation to your membership.

If you require me to take a psychiatric exam or a lie-detector test, I understand, I can arrange both without a problem as I have offered before. I would ask in return that some of your members make the same offer, and i will name who I mean if you ask publicly. I have obviously lost all respect for your group but I seriously hope you don't ignore this sort of behaviour TP involved in racist fire-bombing ?. At this point I quite happy to go to the mainstream press to expose what really happened at Prestwick last August, and to expose what I know about the PGW folk and their previous activities. You have been corrupted.

David ?

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TP = Good Guys

02.07.2007 21:14

Danny, I read many of your comments and enjoy them. Right now I am struggling to come to terms with your attacks on TP. Like all organisations, there are a variety of people, but the title of your last post - TP = BNP = MI5 - is just preposterous to me.
I suppose I better declare an interest, I am an active member of TP and have been for some years.
I know most, though not all, of the people involved in the Prestwick action you refer to, and find it very difficult to accept what you seem to be saying about them.

TP getting involved in fire-bombing?? Get a grip.

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TP are amongst the Good Guys

02.07.2007 22:29

Danny, your call for TP to denounce religious violence is akin to a call for the Pope to announce he is a catholic. As a member of TP for a few years, I can assure you that TP denounces ALL violence, whether religious, secular, terrorist, or governmental.

I know nothing of the allegations you make, but I suggest that if you think you know who fire-bombed this Mosque, you go to the Police as a matter of course. As for a TP member asking for violent vigilante actions against "cretins", I have to say I find that hard to believe. These kind of calls go against everything TP stands for.

Regarding your allegations, I'd be more than happy to hear the details, off list if you prefer, and you can be damn sure I'll look into it.

Danny, I regularly read and enjoy your comments on here, but your allegations about TP sound, at least to my ears, totally barking.

Peace

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a very civil war

03.07.2007 07:32

"Like all organisations, there are a variety of people, but the title of your last post - TP = BNP = MI5 - is just preposterous to me."
"I suggest that if you think you know who fire-bombed this Mosque, you go to the Police as a matter of course."

Do you not see the irony between those two statements ? You even capitalise police. Of course there are many god and true TP folk- there are many good and true police and MI5. Then there are the others.

"Regarding your allegations, I'd be more than happy to hear the details, off list if you prefer, and you can be damn sure I'll look into it."

I've mailed you to keep this off list, but feel free to copy my mail here, I'm only keeping it off-list out of respect for you since you are the first TP person who has promised to investigate. Assuming you reply I won't be able to respond until later today, I'll be at my local mosque for the first time in my life.

Posts like this from a TP pledger the day before an arson attack on a mosque is why you all have to re-evaluate who you are holding hands with :

THEY FOUGHT BACK!

Reports on BBC of civilians who had a go and fought the terrorists. Compare this bravery to the supine passivity of the English. The only way to avoid a police state is for the public to dispense local justice to these cretinous jihadis - frequently and often.

bad george

Danny

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Good luck Danny

03.07.2007 08:10

Danny,

I think that there are some people on Indymedia who know you and perhaps they could contact you directly and assist you in getting the medical help you need.

Best of luck

concerned

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Dear concerned

03.07.2007 08:44

By chance I just met the doctor responsible for approving 'sectioning' psychiatric patients in this region. Seemingly I am sane. That's a professional opinion rather than a smear. I'd be happy to submit to any psychiatric examination if you doubt that though. I have also stated I'd take a lie-detector test, which the IM/TP infiltrator has refused many times.

Let's examine what I am saying that seems so crazy though.

I introduced someone from IM who happily posted as MI5 to Peaton Glen Woods, the TP woods. This person has since admitted here attacking young girls, and was protected by someone who is accused of child abuse by their ex-fiance. This person has also admitted threatening my parents.

Yesterday morning he posted threatening vigilante actions against muslims. Later that day my local mosque was fire-bombed.

So it is nice to know you you know me and are concerned about the state of my health. If you would only have the confidence to identify yourself to me then your concern might be plausible.

Now, from, child-abuse , fire-bombing mosques, I can see why you hide your identity. I would like a real name to respond to though. Just out of politeness. If you are TP I'd be happy to discuss why the Prestwick action was known in advance to be not NVDA. Do you want to have this discussion on IM or would you prefer to email me ?

Danny

Correction

03.07.2007 09:39

Okay, no one spotted the erm intentional error then: Bakri was left stranded by the Home Office in the Lebanon, not Jordan. Hamza however is wanted on terrorism charges in Jordan. The two were close, so it wouldn't stop the spin machine drawing a line- whether there is any real connection or not

And let's face it, any Middle East connection/smear could be useful to your average warmongering imperialist at the moment.

Domiphen Bromide

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Hide this too

03.07.2007 11:03

I'm not sure who outranks me on this forum, I thought it was non-hierachical. There seems to be at least one IM volunteer on the loose. Now my allegations that a TP volunteer attacked my local mosque, they are well founded and are being investigated by TP ( not the police yet despite the middle-class TP requests - I believe this to be a police agent and I have evidence to back this alllegation up).

So anyway, someone on IM has hidden the only claim that the Galsgow attack was known about two weeks in advance. They have hidden every reference to it here. An yet it is freely broadcst on the BBC. And on ABC. And in the Telegraph. So why are you continuing to hide what is freeely known elsewhere?

Not news for activists? Fuck, it soon will be, this attack is designed to introduce a new platform of laws. So why can't we coment on it ? Which IM moderator hid the original posts regardless of who hid my allegatons of mosque torching ?

It isn't only Trident Ploughshares that has renegade members .


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So no name

03.07.2007 11:35

An IM regular just firebombed a mosque. He claims to be MI5 but those details are hidden here too. He is now TP thanks to me, but you can't criticise TP.

And a TP Child-abuser walks free thanks to the anonymous admin here. Well, praise be. ith no name to ascribe to these hidings I have to assume it is Ludd and Lesley, who one day willl be exposed for what they are. Until then, whoever else may have hidden these posts is as culpable of racial violence and sexual torture as the the concerned parties. Big round of applause.

Danny
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more details about the mosque incident?

03.07.2007 15:51

responding to a hidden comment: Could we please have a link to a published story about the firebombing incident? A web search just turns up a story about a firebombing of an Edinburgh mosque... in 2001.

emigre

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a friendly face at last

03.07.2007 17:41

Jeez, emigre, okay, I've never seen your face but I'd still count it as friendly. Friendlier than the fucks I used to support who have proven themselves to be fascist here in the past few days.

Here is one link to the arson attack:
 http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1514037.0.0.php

There are many others, just search on Bathgate and Mosque on googlenews.

Scotland is now at war. I suppose it always was but I personally am at war and doubt I'l ever meet you now. I had a few positive plans but I hope everyone I was helping can understand, this really is war. Those who sow violence will reap the same crop.

Sorry for the siege mentality, it comes from being under seige.

Danny

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