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MOVE - Are they a progressive group

Sal | 16.05.2007 08:55 | London | South Coast

Can someone enliten me about the politics of the American MOVE group please?

There is a thread at  https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370685.html about the fourthcoming British tour of an American group called MOVE. MOVE are preasented by the organizers of the tour as a revolutionary ecologist group, but various questions are being asked on the thread about there attitude to womyn which seems far from progressive. There is a womyn on the thread defending them, but the questions been asked arent answered. Does anybody know the truth about MOVE? Basically what are there politics? I have googled them and they don't come up as looking too good, some even say they are a religous cult, but maybe these sites are biased as MOVE are no freinds of the cops for sure.

Sal
(genuinly interested)

Sal

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16.05.2007 09:28

My personal opinion is that Anarchists need to seperate their support for Mumia Abu-Jamal, from any support for MOVE. All the descriptions of MOVE I've read on A and environmentalist sites seems to skip over their politics, giving some vague description cut and pasted from elsewhere of them being a 'revolutionary environmentalist' group. From what I've read about them, and apologies if this isn't true, but they sound like a bumch of nuts - they revered John Africa their leader almost as a god, thought cockroaches deserved the same respect as humans but ate meat sometimes, refused to use toilets and lived very unhygienically, and had really right-wing views on abortion, contraception, gay rights, women, etc. Now maybe some of those attitudes have changed since the death of John Africa, Ramona Africa certainly seems a strong woman, but why should anyone support this group or organisation simply because the cops hate them, the cops hate a lot of people. Until I see some sort of coherent statement about MOVE's politics, and one which addresses the issues raised, I will remain very sceptical about them to say the least.

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16.05.2007 09:36

Hi there,

I have been involved in eco-anarcho politics for 14 years and have come across MOVE lots, starting in the early-1990s when I got involved. I have met Ramona, who is coming over to do the talk, and I have absolutely no doubt that they are no compromise radical ecologists/green anarchists. I have not come across any homophobic, misoygnist literature or views from them at all.

I agree they have some pretty 'strange' views when you come from a western anarcho-activist scene, but then so would most tribal peoples views seem pretty odd too. As for being a cult, in what way would you call them a cult that couldn't be levelled at anarchists generally?

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