This site is dedicated to the issue of contrails, which cannot be disputed -- the effect these have on the climate -- global dimming -- is an area that clearly needs more research:

 http://www.contrails.nl/

The assertion that these are chem trails needs better proof IMHO.

Dear skylark,

Thanks for putting your opinion up on this post.

I am not sure what you mean by assertion though, having myself looked up the meaning of the word on this site:  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assertion

I have provided some evidence on my own website regarding Chem-trails.

The BBC article is merely historical evidence to support the notion of the claim for the idea that Chem-trails are just that: chemical trails not con-trails condensation trails.

There is a problem with our skies, I have had time to study the sky in Brighton, and Lewes.

I have seen aeroplanes at high altitude releasing long trails that expand and at the end of the day many have done so and the sky is filled in like a blanket weaved.

I really think, in my humble opinion that something is happening and it is not con-trails.

What is being done and why I don't know.

Respect,

Paul T.

After reading your article I went looking for a recent news article about how Soviet pilots seeded clouds above Chernobyl so that the radioactiviy fell on the Ukraine and never reached Moscow. Inestead I found something rather more shocking, a report that links cloud-seeding metals to outbreaks of TSEs across species ( BSE, CWD, or Chronic Wasting Disease in deer). TSEs stands for transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, which include 'Mad Cow Disease'. The report is fascinating if scary reading and makes some points I never knew such as not all the 'mad-cows' that were tested post-slaughter had any traces of prions in their brains. I'll include some choice extracts but recommend you rreading the full report.


Much of the epidemiological history surrounding the major epidemic of BSE in the UK, indicates that the protein only ‘prion’ hypothesis on the origins of BSE fails to fulfil Koch’s postulates [2]. For instance, %10–25% of the cattle that have been slaughtered each month under the UK government’s BSE order for exhibiting the full profile of BSE symptoms had failed to demonstrate the presence of prions at post-mortem [34]. The fact that these so called ‘BSE-negative’ cows shared the same idiosyncratic clinical profile and spatial-temporal distribution as the BSE positive cows, suggests that these prion negative cases were suffering from the same disease as the prion positive cases.
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Ag use in cloud seeding weather modification Another significant source of Ag contamination in the drought prone regions where CWD has emerged, stems from the extensive aerial spray application of silver iodide crystals used as founder nuclei in cloud seeding rainmaking/snowmaking’ operations [38]. The resulting Ag contaminated rain permeates the local vegetation, as well as the
mosses concentrate Ag up to 9 ppm [38]) and other vegetation (see Table 2), which are subsequently ingested by the local deer/elk populations. It is interesting that the practise of cloud seeding is largely contained within the North American continent – the area which has hosted virtually all cases of TSE in wild animals – whereas the application of silver ions as a broad spectrum biocide [40] in food production, etc., has been viewed with greater caution by the US authorities.

Ag use as a biocide There is a greater use of Ag for its biocidal potential within Europe; where it has been increasingly used over the last two decades as a water purifier and sterilising agent in establishments like the London zoo, Rendering plants, Hospitals (for ster-
ilising surgical implements, etc.), dentists (also used as a component of amalgam fillings), catering establishments, dairy farms, etc. Establishments which have been associated with high incidences of TSEs. Ag biocides are also used in air conditioning,
waste water treatment, aquaculture, food and beverage treatment, swimming pools and surface cleaning in many applications.
It is interesting that the use of Ag ions to curb salmonella escalated in the UK poultry industry after the ‘Edwina Curry’ salmonella crisis hit UK poultry farms in 1988; and the subsequent bioaccumulation of Ag through the farm animal food chain (via use of waste poultry meat and bone meal and manure as both a feed and fertiliser) could have been contributory to the UK’s BSE epidemic that peaked in 1992 [34] (see Fig. 3) – where simultaneous exposure to the exclusive compulsory high dose use of the Cu chelating organo dithio-
phosphate for warble control of UK cattle [1] had deprived PrPc of its Cu co-partner, rendering the protein vulnerable to an Ag replacement. High incidence clustering of BSE has consistently existed amongst cattle pastured in the main poultry/turkey producing region of Norfolk since BSE first erupted [34], where surrounding farmland has been generously fertilised by Ag and Mn rich poul-
try manure for many years.


In this respect, it is interesting that the majority of TSE clusters in North America have emerged near to significant military munitions production/ storage/testing facilities such as the White Sands missile range [3], a missile factory in Tucson [57], The Rocky Flats Nuclear weapons factory [58], a battery of ‘cold war’ and modern missile silos scattered between NE Colorado/SE Wyoming/SW
Nebraska and the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range/ Camp Wainwright on the Alberta–Saskatchewan borders [58] (see Fig. 4, Map 1) where radioactive metal based materials are known to have been used. Sr90 could represent a rogue metal candidate that potentially initiated the intensive outbreak of BSE across NW Europe in November 1986 – due to the fall out of this metal in the rainstorms which
immediately followed the Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident in April 1986 [48].

Sr90 could represent a rogue metal candidate that potentially initiated the intensive outbreak of BSE across NW Europe in November 1986 – due to the fall out of this metal in the rainstorms which immediately followed the Chernobyl nuclear reactor accident in April 1986 [48]. This could be relevant to the many anecdotal reports by UK vets and farmers that cite a prevalence of osteoporotic-like
bone wastage conditions and protracted episodes of atypical hypocalcaemia ‘milk fever’ (that failed to respond to standard therapeutic doses of Ca) in cattle that later went on to develop BSE [59]. This could indicate a case of successful Sr or Ba substitution at Ca binding domains [43] throughout the biosystem.
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Use of Ba, Sr and Ag in conventional munitions The toxic common denominator that underlies this correlation between the close proximity of military bases to TSE clusters, may actually relate to the contamination of their surrounding environments
with the more conventional, non-radioactive metals that stem from the use of Ba, Sr or Ag in military munitions and other applications.
Furthermore, the previously reported ‘sonic shock’ prerequisite that has been observed in every significant global TSE cluster visited by Purdey [2,3] is also evident at the majority of the military installations that are contiguous to these TSE clusters in North America [2,3] (see Map 1). For example, many of these TSE affected animal/human populations had been found to be living beneath low fly jet flight paths or the ‘take off’ flight paths coming out of military or civilian air-bases like Namao and Leduc on the north and south sides of Edmonton, respectively.

that's a lot of scary sounding scientific terminology there, but almost anything can be made to sound scary if you put it in the right way. If you call Ag "silver", it sounds a lot less scary - people have valued silver for millennia so it can't be that bad can it?

I reckon people tend to be frightened of almost anything that's unfamiliar, which is reasonable if you think about it, but in reality a lot of things that we ARE familiar with and are proven to be threats, are much more worth being scared about than the unfamiliar things, simply because they aren't as common.

I'm scared of global warming, car accidents (we live on a busy road), and the developers' official future for our neighbourhood, all of which are real, identifiable and serious threats. On the other hand, I come from a family of scientists and had a scientific education (mostly forgotten by now), so I tend to see science not as the enemy, but as a powerful tool that we have to wrest out of the hands of the bastards who run our world.

"people have valued silver for millennia so it can't be that bad can it?"

People haven't scattered tiny particulates of silver throughout the atmosphere for millenia though have they ?

"I reckon people tend to be frightened of almost anything that's unfamiliar, which is reasonable if you think about it, but in reality a lot of things that we ARE familiar with and are proven to be threats, are much more worth being scared about than the unfamiliar things, simply because they aren't as common."

Yup, which sort of undermines the first of your statements I quoted.

"I'm scared of global warming, car accidents (we live on a busy road), and the developers' official future for our neighbourhood, all of which are real, identifiable and serious threats."

As are Alpers disease, Chronic wasting disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Scrapie and all the assorted spongiform encephalopathies. Now if these are really linked to unnecassy human activity as this report seems to suggest, then perhaps you should have one more thing to be concerned about.

"On the other hand, I come from a family of scientists and had a scientific education (mostly forgotten by now), so I tend to see science not as the enemy, but as a powerful tool that we have to wrest out of the hands of the bastards who run our world."

I fully agree, so seemingly does the author of this report. Have your family look it over for basic errors since it does seem to be almost too convenient to link this to cloud-seeding, modern-munitions, modern antibacterial practices and sonic booms. Saying that, these are mostly modern diseases too so it does seem credible. The author has explained possible mechanisms for this. The silver particulates that are shot into the atmosphere - they eventually get spread around the biosphere and ingested by animals we tend to eat. And what happens when these particulates when they are spread around our circulatory system ? Saying that silver is safe because we've had silver jewellery for millenia is no scientific proof that is safe when deposited in tiny fargments throughout our brains. Anyway, silver was only one of the metals mentioned and cloud-seeding was only one of the processes. I would urge you to read that +scientific+ report before you comment further , maybe even print it off for the scientists in your family to comment upon.

( I would like to point out the British Geological Survey are useless. They never found arsenic in Bangladeshi ground water and it is ridden with the stuff, they ended up getting sued over that and quite probably killing many people with their incompetence )

looks well dodgy.

First, if he has any scientific qualifications, he doesn't mention them. Second, the journal in which the article is published is not peer reviewed. Third, 'Authors are required to pay page charges' - in other words, this is what is known as vanity publishing.

The idea that peizo electric crystals could form in the brain [has he tested his possible candidates for the piezoelectric effect?] is bizarre enough. To say then that they will be triggered by earthquakes or sonic booms is pushing plausibility a little too far.

Many environmental stressors (including physical trauma, chemical, radiological or biological insult) can decrease the circulating interferon and thus increase the risk of individuals (or animals) falling ill.

Factors such as a wide number of isotropic viruses, long-term stress, excessive physical activity, various infections, transfusions, allergic reactions and heavy metals, phosphates and PCBs also lead to a deterioration of immune system function. Once a cellular dysfunction has appeared, infections (e.g. mycoplasma) occur that perpetuate a defect in the immune system and make a return to the normal situation impossible.

Indeed, these stressors can also produce breakdown of the Blood Brain Barrier; if that barrier is broken, small amounts of substances (including various pathogens) which are normally outside the brain could produce brain injury.

"The idea that peizo electric crystals could form in the brain ... is bizarre enough."
Yeah, I'll just take the word of a disgrunteld pseudo-"physicist" 6th form teacher for that will I ? Maybe not. If you are still in the huff fro being exposed as fraud as an 'expert' on DC-DC convertors then why not stick to that thread ? (
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370692.html ). You may been a tad more convincing if you could speel 'piezo'.


"We have also seen in research done in the late 1980s that proteins, DNA, and transforming DNA function as piezoelectric crystal lattice structures in nature. " - H. Coetzee, Ph.D.


"A new form of biomineralization in the pineal gland of the human brain has been studied. It consists of small crystals that are less than 20 /spl mu/m in length and that are completely distinct from the often-observed mulberry-type hydroxyapatite concretions." -
Calcite microcrystals in the pineal gland of the human brain: second harmonic generators and possible piezoelectric transducers
Baconnier, S.; Lang, S.B.




Rogue Metal Micro-crystals – the seeds of Mad cow Madness.

These observations have lead me to believe that TSEs are caused by exposure to these various metal micro-crystal pollutants. Once these metal crystals are able to leak across the blood brain barrier (facilitated by the presence of other abnormal eco-influences) and penetrate their way into brain cells that are depleted in certain essential minerals (like copper and sulphur), the micro-crystals are then free to opportunistically bond up with certain brain proteins in place of their normal copper/sulphur co-partners, whereupon they subsequently ’seed’ the growth of substantial sized metal-protein crystal arrays.

Since the prion protein is a copper bonding protein, it represents one of the proteins that can be successfully targeted and occupied by these invading micro-crystals – but this can only happen at a time when the supply of free copper is disrupted within the brain.

Once the alien micro-crystals become lodged and bonded into the nerve membranes. It is here that they start to multi-replicate themselves, growing into substantial metal-protein crystal structures that form the characteristic aberrant fibril-like features that are seen to hallmark the TSE diseased brain.

I believe that these crystals are ’piezoelectric’ in nature; that is to say that they work much like the crystals that are used in microphones. They convert the energy of incoming acoustic sound waves into electrical energy. Thus, once an individual’s brain has become contaminated by these rogue crystals, the brain is no longer able to conduct/dissipate the high energy shock-bursts of sound and light that radiate in from the external environment (NB. the presence of these shock-bursts are well evident in the TSE cluster environments).

The incoming energy ends up being absorbed into the rogue crystals, which subsequently convert it into electrical shock bursts, which generate magnetic fields around the crystals, which, in turn, initiate chain reactions of deleterious free radical damage in the surrounding tissues.

The additional impact of the radioactive decay emitted from the metal component of these crystals serves to compound the intensity of the free radical chain reactions. Spongiform neuro-degeneration of the brain ensues – represented by the so called ’halos’ or holes of spongiform damage that surround these aberrant fibril structures in the TSE diseased brain.

The piezoelectric crystal facet of this theory is well supported by the classic hypersensitive response of the BSE affected cow to the veterinarians’ hand clap test – the customary field test that is applied for diagnosing clinical BSE when a government vet enters the farm to examine a BSE suspect cow. If the cow is genuinely suffering from BSE, the modest shock waves of the hand clap will invariably cause the poor beast to collapse to the floor quivering and bellowing out in writhing agony – just as though the clap had detonated an electric shock-burst inside the cow’s brain.

My hypothesis therefore asserts that the rogue metal micro-crystal represents the transmissible, pathogenic agent that underpins the primary cause of TSE diseases. This theory explains many of the missing links in our understanding of the pathogenesis of TSEs. For instance, nobody yet understands why TSE can still be invoked in misfortunate healthy lab animals after they have been injected with the inorganic ash that results from the heating of TSE affected brain material up to temperatures as high as 800 degrees C. How can the various protein-only/microbiological agents that have been ascribed to the cause of TSEs begin to survive these kind of elevated temperatures; and then retain their so called hyper-infectious property thereafter?

Why not try and get it published? In a peer reviewed journal?

"Why not try and get it published? In a peer reviewed journal?"

Presumably because the researcher, Mark Purdey, died 7 months ago. It is as you say just a theory, as is evolution, as is relativity, as is gravity. It is an interesting theory I hope some real scientists follow up on simply because of the wide-ranging health effects if true - and many scientists seem impressed enough by his work to post their condolences on his website. I for one am surprised many 'mad-cows' tested negative for prions. That does suggest there is either more than one factor at work, the official 'theory' is mistaken or the tests are inadequate to identify TSE's - now of which are particularly reassuring. However I'm unqualified to comment further. If you feel you are qualified to comment further perhaps you could explain to me what happens to all the silver particulates used to seed clouds once it starts to rain ?

wurzel, what you call vanity publishing is actually very widespread in science - the majority of journals require page fees to turn a profit. Also most journals require that you sign a copyright transfer, so you can't even disseminate your own work freely. Luckily, the internet is making this difficult to enforce...

the journal in which Purdey's article appeared is called "Medical Hypotheses". No wonder it isn't peer-reviewed. A hypothesis is an untested assertion put forward for the sake of argument. If someone tests it and it isn't disproven, it might someday get promoted to being a theory. In the meantime, it certainly can't be given any weight by anyone who isn't in a position to undertake those tests. So basically the article isn't worth reading unless you are an expert on the topic.

danny, BSE is so rare that for me it doesn't count as a "serious" threat, that is one I worry seriously about.
Also when I said "If you call Ag "silver", it sounds a lot less scary - people have valued silver for millennia so it can't be that bad can it?" it wasn't a reflection on the real danger of silver but on people's perceptions of it - I think you took my remark out of context.

As for the scientists in my family, none of them are experts on BSE so I don't think it would help much to ask them.

was carried out - if the article is correct - in 1952. The article also talks about 'salt' but doesn't make it clear whether it is refering to common salt or not. On the other hand, for it to be responsible for BSE more than 30 years later seems a little unlikely. The silver salt used would be AgI, and one might have expected that 30 years of rain and erosion would have its effect.

Aussies been drinking some kind of silver/water solution for years,think it's called colondial silver.

colloidal silver. see:  http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html


The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory…
Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.
The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather…

..between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population…

..Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health...

..However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties...

..Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

“The East and West Lyn rivers, which drop rapidly down from Exmoor, were swollen even before the fatal storm…Ninety million tonnes of water swept down the narrow valley into Lynmouth on 15 August, 1952, destroying whole buildings.”

In that case the creation of rain would appear to be an unforeseen side effect, rather than the actual desired outcome.

Why would such a rainy country such as our go to the massive expense of funding covert military experiments to create ‘rain’ of all things?

"BSE is so rare that for me it doesn't count as a "serious" threat, that is one I worry seriously about.
Also when I said "If you call Ag "silver", it sounds a lot less scary - people have valued silver for millennia so it can't be that bad can it?" it wasn't a reflection on the real danger of silver but on people's perceptions of it - I think you took my remark out of context. "

Simply so you would clarify a untypically poorly worded remark. The threats that scare me most aren't always the most likely but also the most horrible. That is perhaps unscientific of me but I am unscientific enough to have no clear picture how many people in the UK will die from BSE in future from the current casualties. If there is a 'hidden epidemic', as some scientists suggest, then the threat of your local developers plans may seem less scary - certainly if you were to be diagnosed with CJD then global-warming would lose it's urgency. I am not trying to spread panic or worry, simply awareness.

"cloud seeding was carried out - if the article is correct - in 1952."

It was also carried out by the UK government up until 1972 if Hansard is to be believed. And since it is not illegal and unlicenced there is no evidence it hasn't been carried out since then.

It is certainly carried out regularly in the USA , Russia, China, Australia and now in Iran . And we are 'down-wind of the USA' in terms of the jet-stream. Unfortunately, as Mark pointed out, we happened to be downwind of Chernobyl too. He was postulating a theory of metal contaminants in brains being a source of TSEs, and he proposed a wide number of posible sources and mechanisms. Since Pauls article was on cloudseeding I chose to focus on that. I have expressed surprise that some 'mad-cows' test negative for prions, and no one here has explained that. And I have asked twice now, what happens to the silver particulates that are sent into the atmosphere every day ( for no good reason imo ) and no one has answered that. No offence to any one here since I don't know myself, but I think perhaps I should ask in another more scientific forum. I don't have access to any really scientific forum so I've asked the question on New Scientists 'Last Word' page.

By the way, here is another site unrelated to Marks that points out other health risks to seeding clouds with silver.

"Why would such a rainy country such as our go to the massive expense of funding covert military experiments to create ‘rain’ of all things?"

Have you never heard the terms 'hose-pipe ban' or 'water rationing' ? Besides, there are military uses - google 'Operation Popeye' if you don't think cloud seeding has already been used in warfare.

Or read the US reaction to reduce climate change without reducing consumption -

"A “surprisingly practical” way of achieving this, he said, would be to use large artillery pieces to shoot as much as a million tons of highly reflective sulfate aerosols or ­specially ­engineered nanoparticles into the Arctic stratosphere to deflect the sun’s rays. Delivering up to a million tons of material via artillery would require a constant ­bombardment—­basically declaring war on the strato­sphere. Alternatively, a fleet of B-747 “crop dusters” could deliver the particles by flying continuously around the Arctic Circle. "

Now that is paranoid.

Thankx for that.I know an old guy who takes it and i will be going round to his house to let him know