Here's the potted version:

To obviate UNSC restrictions in the Balkans MI5/6 & the CIA shipped in mujahadin recruiters/ex-fighters into the UK/US to recruit & train conscripts for a proxy war. Training camps were in Wales (Brecon?), Scotland (Cape Wrath?) and Oregon, trainers were allegedly supported by ex-special forces. The Proxy war was to secure Western energy interests in the region.

Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri were central figures in this exercise and comprised the basis of the much publicised but only superficially-scrutinised Finsbury Park Mosque Cell in London.

They are bona fide al Qaeda members- well as bona fide as any contract terrorist can be. They were also bona fide MI5/6 assets. Their operations were supported by HM Gvt. under an understanding that they never strike UK targets and in return they could do as they pleased.

The sub-cell that struck on 7/7 were indoctrinated and supported by the Finsbury Park cell. The military-grade explosive, that is likely to have existed (but as yet no convincing case has been made to explain the discrepancy in varied reports) would likely have come to Britain through the al Qaeda black market route through West Africa from the Balkans. The same logistics structure that the UK had been using in co-operation with al Qaeda to access illegal diamonds from Sierra Leonne.

All indications point to "blowback": the UK & US played with fire and got burned and not some silly "false flag" conspiracy.

Read this guys work:

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/04/368971.html

It beggars belief that your site has completely ignored just about everything that Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed has painstakingly researched and referenced in his 7/7 book. Instead your site seems to be a host the most outrageous Scoobydoo-esque twaddle I have read in ages.

The reason the official narrative is a pile of steaming poo is because the US & UK have been doing highly illegal things in supporting, contracting and cohabiting with Al Qaeda and they are hellbent in stopping any official revelation of this fact. This is the same reason Abu Hamza was jailed under race hate laws (not Terrorism Act) and Bakri was allowed to flee the country and banned from re-entry and the possibility of anti-terrorist investigation. The 7/7 cell al Qaeda fixer (Aswat) was allowed to go free; which appears to lend credibility to the claim that he is in fact an MI6 asset or double.

Read the book and start a new campaign for an investigation into US/UK employment of global terrorists to circumvent international law, because all this stuff about patsies, false flags and non-existent fakery technology is just a little lame and must make John Reid sleep so much better.

Then we may find out what was so bloody important for MI5 to ignore the mounting indications that an attack was about to happen on UK soil.

Remember the bombing of Coventry could have been prevented but it wasn't a "false flag".

Dr Watson

We still have to answer:

Who is really pulling the strings?

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,,2069312,00.html

Even Sherlock in his opium haze could guess that. Look at the companies that stand to gain from Central Asian & Balkan energy resources and logistics. Look at the CVs of the people in the Whitehouse and the Afghan puppet regime.

I would imagine it goes like this: as the Cold War stand off dissolves and the USSR crumbles, the Western energy giants lobby the Gvt & intel services on the issue of controlling global energy resources is the only way to protect national security and the status quo. "If we don't do it everyone else will!".

The military industrial complex jumps for joy and the propaganda machine lurches into action to sell it to the public.

It's not a new phenomenon. But nowadays we have niggly things like international law, courts, a security council that is difficult to completely buy.

So, the clever bastards just invent a new game plan. What we can't get away with by lying we'll just go through the back door: international crime, terrorism, commercialised private armies. All with value-added deniability.

I think 7/7 was likely a real al Qaeda attack. (al Qaeda seems from what I gather to be some sort of semi-commercial venture advocating Jihad.) It probably happened because either the people who decided to let al Qadea recruit for Jihad in the UK either were too stupid to realise that you can't teach international terrorists to sit and roll over, or scarier still they knew fine well that they were unlikely to be able to contain the terrorists and ensure they stuck to their deal of no UK attacks, and simply cared not a jot.

I think this scenario could easily apply to 9/11 too. And let's face it, it makes more sense as an end goal rather than just simply repressing freedom of speech and dissent. The fact that Bush openly stole an election and that he & Blair are proven liars and beyond the reach of the law proves how unconcerned they are about dissent. And as for it being a false flag to facilitate the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq, well they couldn't have made a worse job if they got a dozen BNP councillors in to project manage it.

I agree we need a full, open and truly independent inquiry, but I don't agree with most of the conclusions on your site. Which is a shame since I agree with many of the questions.

Most things in life don't resolve to a single actor, source or event, there is usually a whole mess of things feeding into each other. I suspect we may be looking at more complex explanation than the pulling of strings and a centralised cabal.

Yes really we need an inquiry.....into why Muslims do this sort of thing.

Everything else is missing the point.

No need for an inquiry into whether you are a racist thickhead George.

Dr Watson said : "I agree we need a full, open and truly independent inquiry, but I don't agree with most of the conclusions on your site. Which is a shame since I agree with many of the questions."

What conclusions would these be? There are 9 hypothesis which are examined:

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-hypotheses.html

It'd take me far too long long to go into detailed rebuttals of your site. But to be concise, instead of raising perfectly valid questions you have descended into conducting a non-investigation of the data in preference to cherry picking whatever conspiracy theories and government/police/media stories suit your fancy.

One quick example: to my knowledge there have been no credible assertions that any al Qaeda videos or statements have been fake except for the very obviously fake 'Fat Bin Laden confesses' which the US were trying to palm us off with in the wake of 9/11. To my knowledge Khan's family have never contested the authenticity of the video?

I think your links section tell a better story in itself however:

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-links.html

Infowars, Prisonplanet, propaganda matrix: dubious right-wing gun-nut died-in-the-wool commercial conspiracy venture & climate change deniers
Jeff Rense: "Israel"-obsessed, holocaust denier and overt supporter for neo-Nazi Ernst Zuendel
What Really happened: Holocaust deniers, and proponents of every variety of total garbage in the name of research

Not names you are ever going to see in any serious piece of research... unless you were doing a study into websites that just make shit up because they like the sound of it.

Then from Denial to Truth we see links to your usual 9/11 Conspiracy site like 911Physics which has approximately zero support in the professional/academic field .

It seems to me like you were all hellbent on becoming a new, very own hobby Truth movement.

You would have been much better sticking to doing a comprehensive timeline and spending the rest of your time going direct to sources for clarification on all the discrepancies.

I notice you don't mention that the first links are to the State propaganda machine, the BBC.

It is not for us to cherry pick (in your words) where people get their information from - and we start from a position of allowing people to make up their own minds. I agree with you totally about Alex Jones et al - but we don't offer these links as support for any views - just for media and information purposes as they carry articles and media on July 7th.

Neither did you back up your own claim that we carried conclusions on our site after I pointed out we had 9 hypotheses. We examine the evidence, what there is of it, for the Official Version of these events. In fact our campaign calls on the authorities to release the evidence which they claim they have but which the public have never seen.

Our campaign around the discrepancy of the cancelled Luton train forced John Reid to admit to Parliament on 11/7/06 that the Official Report into the London Bombings was wrong on this fact, an error for which we have still not received an explanation.

As for Crevice, early reports after the arrests throw up some interesting connections with the Security Services:

From The Times dated April 2004:

 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1054385.ece

"Mr Ahmad said MI5 told his nephew there were people they thought were a threat to national security. “The MI5 agent said they do not have enough resources and asked if his nephews would leave (the country) to make it easier for them,” Mr Ahmed said.

“MI5 are satisfied my nephews wouldn’t do anything to hurt their country or threaten national security. They wanted them out of the way so they could concentrate on other people. They can’t cope with the problem as there are too many people.

“I told Omar and he agreed to go. But my younger nephew didn’t want to go, he became depressed and upset, and so we contacted a solicitor who spoke to MI5 for us. But in the end he had to go. The tickets were bought for April 6 to Islamabad for them to carry on their education for a year.

Mr Ahmad said that MI5 suggested his nephews were associating with the“wrong sort of people” and that a year in Pakistan would help to break that contact.

He showed the name and phone number of the MI5 officer with whom he claimed to have dealt, which were inputed into his mobile phone."

Dr Watson is right -- there is a lot of crap on Alex Jones' sites, but there is also som decent stuff, it's a matter of ignoring the snake oil adverts and dubious climate change content and the patriotic pro-borders nonsense... For example this article is worth a read (the original has hyperlinks):

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Fertilizer Terrorists Fingered Intelligence Agencies
ISI implicated, 7/7 links exposed, terror network control by Intel beyond doubt

Infowars.net | May 1, 2007
Steve Watson

The media frenzy surrounding the conviction of five terror suspects in the UK this week has failed to underline the fact that once again the so called terrorists have direct links to intelligence agencies.

At the end of a year-long terror trial on Monday five men were given life sentences for a foiled plot to build a huge fertilizer bomb for a UK attack.

Although there has been a relentless focus on the fact that these men were connected to the 7/7 bombers, the fact that they are directly connected to Pakistani intelligence as well as British intelligence has been skirted over.

Omar Khyam, the leader of the so called fertilizer bomb gang, was trailed by MI5 for some time before being arrested in early April 2004. When his trial began in September last year Khyam testified for two days but has refused to testify further, saying his family in Pakistan had been threatened by the Pakistani intelligence service, ISI.

It seemed that Khyam was beginning to spill too many beans about who really is behind the global terror network:

The Indian newspaper The Hindu reported:

Last week, Mr. Khyam told the court that ISI was training militants and during his visit to Pakistan six years ago he trained in an ISI-supervised camp.

"The ISI was setting up camps in what we called Free Kashmir, funding it with money and weapons and people that would train people, and logistical supplies, everything," he said.
Mr. Khyam said the people who trained him in handling arms were "selected by the ISI". "The ISI works with Islamic groups," he added.

Khyam stated in court;

"I think they are worried I might reveal more about them, so right now, as much as I want to clarify matters, the priority for me has to be the safety of my family so I am going to stop... I am not going to discuss anything related to the ISI any more or the evidence."

A second man convicted in the trial, Anthony Garcia, a Moroccan formerly known as Rahman Benouis, also stated that he had sought training in Pakistan, insinuating that it was commonplace for the Pakistani military to train up Islamic militants to fight in occupied Kashmir.

The reality is that Pakistan, a US and British ally, and the ISI, well known to be firmly in bed with the CIA and MI6, is training and funding radicalized Muslims who have later been grabbed and pinned as Al Qaeda affiliated terrorists who want to attack the British and American people.

The media has also picked up on the fact that the fertilizer five have direct connections to the 7/7 London bombers and were known to have met with two of them several times.

As reported by the London Guardian today, in an intelligence operation known as 'Crevice', officers had been keeping watch on the group of men who had repeatedly been seen in the company of 7/7 bombers Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer.

Although it was previously known that MI5 had the two 7/7 bombers under surveillance up to 18 months beforehand, the media has treated this information as new, once again throwing limelight on demands for a public inquiry.

"So much was known about Sidique Khan that MI5's repeated claim that it did not know his identity until after the 7/7 bombings is certain to come under scrutiny." The Guardian states.

Sidique Khan was even bugged and recorded by MI5 but later determined not to be a threat.
According to the Guardian, which is now able to report the information after the lifting of a court order: At one point, Sidique Khan was recorded asking Khyam: "Are you really a terrorist? Khyam: "They are working with us." Sidique Khan: "You are serious, you are basically?" Khyam: "I am not a terrorist, they are working through us." Khan: "Who are? There is no one higher than you."

Is Khyam once again referring to a State and an intelligence agency here? Who else can he be talking about when he states "they are working through us"?

Of course, Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were also trained in Pakistan where they were filmed supposedly "confessing" to the London Bombings they would commit at a later date.

When the fertilizer plot is placed in this context and one then explores wider the connections the London bombers had with known intelligence assets such as Haroon Rashid Aswat , who was intimately involved with figures such as Abu Qatada, Abu Hamza and Ahmed Omar Sheikh Saeed, all documented double agents for MI5 , a clearer picture begins to emerge as to just who is the hidden hand at the top behind this tiered network of terror.

Then when one begins to explore the inconsistencies in the government's official story of the 7/7 bombings it becomes clear that the British security services are hiding the truth because they are intimately involved as perpetrators in the very acts that the British government wants us to believe it is attempting to protecting us from.

For an excellent overview of how deep the rabbit hole goes on intelligence connections to 7/7, "al Qaeda" and global terrorism, I recommend The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed.

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BBC "state propaganda machine". Get a grip! Would this be the same BBC that blew the lid off the '45 minutes to doom" story and the dodgy dossier?

They are as prone to undue influence as much as any large orginisation is, but they are hardly Pravda or the Telegraph. I'd assess any piece on its merits, but I am far more likely to agree with what the BBC has to say than Alex Jones and his cohort- who are seemingly unable to resist extroplating the most ludicrous nonsense out of thin air. "military excercises as a smokescreen to false flags", you'd have to make non-thinking a hobby to come up with that one.

Your site is full of incredible assertions. Too numerous to list to be honest. Which is a shame because it could have done more good in sticking to cellecting the data.

Yes, well done regarding the train timetable. I did wonder however if John Reid was sharing a private joke by questioning it publicly...

I'm personally amazed that the usual conspiraloons have failed to spot the how bloody amazing the level of people wanting to more about Crevice is. Cameron actually accusing the Home Office of lying.

I'm hoping this thing snowballs, because from what I can gather, an objective review of Crevice will lead to some very obvious questions about what certain individuals were doing in this country on valid visas in the first place. MI5/6, CIA and ISI are up to their necks in doing deals with al Qaeda.

If anyone gets close to official confirmation of that the wider implications of public accountability of the security services and how that knocks on to the UK relationship with the CIA agenda is potentially monumental.

All it takes is one person who didn't destroy all the evidence to lose their nerve and start signing.

Keep up the questions.


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Sherlock

Well as much as I am loathe to agree with that article, it seems to be largely a cut & paste and rewrite of stuff already out there- which is an improvement in their usual tactic of just making shit up by nailing together anything the can make fit their angle.

From all the years I have been looking at stuff reposted from that site, this seems to be something of a blip in the usual MO of the Alex Jones Empire. It caters from the paranoid, bigotted and impressionable and so must slant the vast majority of its output to that audience.

Who knows, perhaps they are lucid enough to spot that the truth may be on the verge of being exposed RE: the US/UK and al Qaeda and moving their sails, after all they have still got their Global Warming Denial to flog for the time being- sorry, LaRouche & ExxonMobil's bullshit remixed.

A quick selection of twaddle from the same pen:

 http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/290107Exclusive.htm

And a prime exampl in kniting a conpiracy theory out of patchy info:

 http://infowars.net/articles/december2005/201205finalfinalword.htm

And the fulblown mae it al up asyou go along rant:

 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/080705stupidityversuslogic.htm

DW - it appears to me and I suspect others who read your comments that you are the master of assertion!

Let's just stick to the facts:

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-1.html

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-mind-the-gaps-part-2.html

Like I said, found the collation of the data ver god and useful, but much else is pretty ropey.


THE CCTV IMAGES

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/7-7-cctv-evidence.html

Full of ridiculous assertions regarding the veracity of the images and even more patently absurd assertiosn about the what is currently possible in video manipulation.

I dare you to go hunt down the showreels for the technology you cite and post the examples along with the CCTV and home video footage. I've sen this stuff in action; it's pretty primitive beyond the area of its particular technological innovation ( sch as the real-time mapping of spec formants to basic animation sequences).



 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-hypotheses.html

This section is so badly constructed it is difficult to know where to start. The most glaring problem is that no serious effort is made to "break" many of the hypotheses. Furthermore, no great effort is made to seek other explanations for the data.

One quick example:

"5. The men thought they were going to strike a blow for Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc and go to Heaven as 'martyrs' because they had been groomed and encouraged and equipped by an al-Qa'ida mastermind who was actually working for one of the State agencies or a rogue network straddling one or more of them with their own agenda."

Even the heading is a non-hypothesis. It skips neatly past the idea they may well have been under that impression, but neglects to ask/test if that impression was in fact reality, which would usually be the first step in a real hypothesis. Instead, it dislikes the idea of entertaining anything other than a false flag and loads the question right of the bat.

To arrive a a hypothesis you must have already tested the data and establish logical paths that are closed off by testing the data and coming to a demonstrable reason for negation.

See:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis#Evaluating_hypotheses

I see no evidence of this happening. Instead, I see people guessing and failing to see the inherent bias in their guesswork.



Citing Prisonplanet and Rense by itself knocks you into the league of non-research.

DW wrote: "BBC "state propaganda machine". Get a grip! Would this be the same BBC that blew the lid off the '45 minutes to doom" story and the dodgy dossier?"

So what is the point of Indymedia and what are you doing here?

Of course the BBC likes to *appear* independent... but have you already forgotten the clear bias over Iran?

BBC News apologises for misleading reports on Iran
 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/369583.html

This is just the tip of the iceberg...

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BBC

I never asserted that the BBC was some sort of divine font of all wisdom, I simply pointed out a major flaw in accusing it of being a "state propaganda machine". Like most conspiracy theorists they don't test their own theses and they can usually be snapped like dry old twigs.

So Alistair Campbell instructed the BBC to expose him and Blair and Scarlet as being total fucking liars and create a shitstorm that in a real democracy would have them jailed for high crimes? Just as stupid as suggesting MI5 setting themselves up for much the same.

Are you aware that Israel is massively critical of the BBC? Just Google "BBC bias Israel". Makes me wonder if the complainants are so deep in denial they are effectively living in another reality. Especially since Israeli diplomats in London have a history of trying to influence BBC reportage with varying degrees of success.


IMC

The place for Indymedia should have been to provide coverage for activists by activists in response to the fact the MSM previously largely ignored or lied about actions. There is also scope for analysis/research too, given that many areas it is been the activists in the lead with MSM lagging at least 5 years behind.

However, in recent years IMC has been beset with problems in attracting the 'Conspiracy Crew' and antisemites. And even more scarily there is a huge amount of crossover between the conspiracy and the antisemitism.

The problem with is that the Truth stuff is largely made up by bigots and/or self-publicists (many of the sites also carry holocaust and global warming denial material) and the research is laughable. It severely undermines the credibility of IMC.

The 7/7 Truth site fits the bill. With the extremely odd exception that they had done a lot of hard work meticulously collating data... before absolutely crapping on it with wild, untested theses. It unsurprisingly links to sites with holocaust & global warming denial material (as many of these Truth sites that act as feeders to the others carry)- I wouldn't be surprised if the site's owners weren't even aware of this fact.

What I'm doing here

As an anarchist, I find this conspiracy & antisemitism stuff on IMC problem disturbing. I am here (in this instance) telling anyone who cares to read this thread about what is dodgy about this one of many sites spammed here. It's full of rubbish and links to right-wing sites! Prove me wrong, if you doubt me.

To be pessimistic, I'll probably give up at some point when I feel there is no hope left and the place is effectively flooded with crypto-fascist propaganda guising itself as "Truth".

Being at the best an atheist with leanings toward a relatively paganised understanding of science, I find the concept of "Truth" highly dubious at the best of times. I prefer the tried and tested world of 'facts'. Facts mostly don't require Faith and Dogma to justify their existence. Facts earn respect, not demand it, unquestioningly and unthinkingly.

It's rather ironic how a site geared towards anarchists should embrace a movement with such religious vocabulary and MO (like some of the conspiracy theorists themselves do). I have been called a heretic so many times, I just take it for granted now.

DW

I don't even know where to begin in deconstructing your last contribution. It does seem to me that for someone who claims that the facts are important you then throw wild and unsubstantiated accusations around in an attempt to bury the July 7th Truth Capaign under nonsense about conspiracy theory and holocaust denial. We don't even have a link to Rense yet you continue to assert this amongst all the rest of your diatribe.

The danger with using this tired notion of labelling anyone who dares to question what the PTB claim is the 'truth' as a 'conspiracy therorist' is that whilst 'anarchists' like yourself are attacking us, the State conducts a 'show trial' and sentences 5 young men to indeterminate life senetences baseed on this very notion - 'conspiracy' - so the state happily plays the game of 'conspiracy theorists' and you want everyone to look in the opposite direction.

Our site addresses this concept in a whole section entitlted: Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy Theorists? Are We Conspiracy Theorists?

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-conspiracy-theorists.html

"In his book, "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower," William Blum warns of how the media will make anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" an immediate "object of ridicule." This prevents the media from ever having to investigate the many strange interconnections among the ruling class -- for example, the relationship between the boards of directors of media giants, and the energy, banking and defense industries. These unmentionable topics are usually treated with what Blum calls "the media's most effective tool -- silence." But in case somebody's asking questions, all you have to do is say, "conspiracy theory," and any allegation instantly becomes too frivolous to merit serious attention. On the other hand, since my paranoid shift, whenever I hear the words "conspiracy theory" (which seems more often, lately) it usually means someone is getting too close to the truth."

Are you not a tad embarrassed that I seem to know better than you do what is on YOUR site? And you expect anyone to take you seriously...



"Since September 2004 an Israeli company had become heavily involved with the tube network, having been contracted by Metronet to supply the video technology for platform surveillance and 'certain remote portions of the track'.

 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=69208
 http://www.rense.com/general67/sisr.htm

This becomes of possible relevance if it is borne in mind how many Israeli companies, like US or British, co-operate with or act as vehicles for intelligence agencies. If the bombs weren't in backpacks inside the carriages, but underneath them, then the powersurge, which was initially reported by London Underground and Metronet and denied by the National Grid, could have been used to detonate the bombs, and or knock out video-systems?"

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-hypotheses.html


So basically, you saw fit to link to a holocaust denier in the context of a conspiracy theory regading Israel. Wouldn't be my first choice of a source:

 http://www.rense.com/general62/meth.htm
 http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm


You also link to PrisonPlanet, which apart from its relatively harmless loony conspiracy junk, also runs Global Warming Denial propaganda like this:

 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/280307globalistslove.htm
 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/090307warminghoax.htm


And given the context, the truly hilarious:

 http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/090207holocaustdenial.htm

Which has no basis in "Truth", Mr Rense,

 http://www.rense.com/general76/amz.htm

You also link to 'What Really Happened', both holocaust & global warming deniers as well as general tinfoil hat wearing idiots:

 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/holocaust.html
 http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/globalwarming.html

If I could be bothered, I'm sure I could unearth even more. But, keep it up, you are doing a great job of proving my point for me.

DW - Firstly you claimed we link to Rense on our links page:

"I think your links section tell a better story in itself however:

 http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-links.html

Infowars, Prisonplanet, propaganda matrix: dubious right-wing gun-nut died-in-the-wool commercial conspiracy venture & climate change deniers
Jeff Rense: "Israel"-obsessed, holocaust denier and overt supporter for neo-Nazi Ernst Zuendel
What Really happened: Holocaust deniers, and proponents of every variety of total garbage in the name of research"

Which we don't and you failed to apologise for stating this, you also chose not to mention any of the MSM sites we link to, although these can be as entirely suspect and biased as the ones you dislike so vehemently.

In the hypothesis section we look at 9 different theories, and examine them, but not to your high standards it appears. These theories are commonly found on various sites including all the ones you dismiss for varying reasons, and many of these reasons I would agree with. Yes, there is one link to a Rense article re: Verint in one section of the hypotheses, so apologies for that. It would be difficult to discuss the many theories without making links to the sites that actually posit them.

The question of Verint, an Israeli company, being responsible for the CCTV and security systems on the London Underground is worthy of discussion. As is Bechtel working underground on the Kings Cross development. Would you prefer to discuss the message or the messenger?

Verint is an arm of Comverse, a company investigated in the US:

 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6480.htm

DW you impose many 'no-go areas' and insist on some kind of 'guiilt by association', so could you answer me : Are you interested in actually commenting on, discussing or examining any of the many anomalies and inconsitencies that exist in the official conspiracy theory of the events of 7th July 2005?

"DW you impose many 'no-go areas' and insist on some kind of 'guilt by association', "

Yeah, it's called morality and credible methodology.

I would feel like a moral fraud to be attracting people to right-wing sites without any caveat let alone critical comment on their stance. Either that or I would be seriously doubting my political stance.

Again, we see the last hiding place of the conspiracy theorist: "the message or the messenger."

You think it is irrelevant to examine the politics of the people you cite? In other words, to consider agenda/bias to assess how trustworthy a source is. Obviously not, since you seem to recognise that Blair & the Home Office have a sufficient agenda to be regarded as totally impartial & suspect... but yet, not the holocaust deniers.

You chose to associate yourselves with these people. Not me. If I linked a site to Stormfront material with no caveats, I'd expect people to regard this as an endorsement.

I personally have little interest in the discussion of 7/7 in the grand scheme of my life. I don't subscribe to all this "false reality" and "false flags" crap that seems to have trickled down in a diluted form from the White Supremacy Militias in the US. I will read interesting & serious work of others. But I obviously see little to gain from a site full of conspiracy bollocks inherited from neo-Nazis and gun nuts.

As for whether the company is worth investigating. Sure, can you share the material evidence you have to uphold having your accusation up on your site for so long? I take it you have actually looked into what you are effectively asserting and have found some substance from the very tenuous link of the company being Israeli?

Okay a 'Dunne & Bradstreet' search could confirm that the company is Israeli. So, I guess your next move was to get a list of employees and positively identify the "spooks" and establish their actual involvement with the bombs? You have done that, haven't you? You haven't just taken this theory from the mouth of a dubious source at face value, surely? It never occurred to you that Rense may furthering the idea that Jews rule the World?

If I were to write an sociology paper citing uncritically 19th Century German racists, would you be surprised if I got treated like a fruitcake?

Collecting the rumours you simply like, doesn't equal an examination of anything... other than your personal bias. It's of no more importance than your mp3 collection.

The most hilarious thing about Truth is how unless you sing verbatim from the Truth hymnal you will be branded a witch, even if you do agree that a serious independent investigation is needed.

Got to get with the dogma.