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British forces attack Iranian consulate

Digery Cohen | 29.03.2007 11:33

Blair has been ordered by Cheney to confront Iran.

Iran Consulate Basra1
Iran Consulate Basra1


Bristis forces this morning attacked the Iranian embassy in Basra.

Some diplomats were injured.

A crowd of local Shi'as them attacked the Brits.

Some were also injured.

They have now retreated.





Digery Cohen
- e-mail: digerycohen@yahoo.co.uk

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BBC

29.03.2007 12:19

This story ran on News24 earlier today, but has since dropped off the rotation cycle.

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29.03.2007 11:38

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British Marines Captured by Iran: Fake Maritime Boundaries

29.03.2007 13:28



I have been unpopular before, but the level of threats since I
started blogging on the captured marines has got a bit scary. It is
therefore with some trepidation that I feel obliged to point this
out.

The British Government has published a map showing the coordinates
of the incident, well within an Iran/Iraq maritime border. The
mainstream media and even the blogosphere has bought this hook, line
and sinker.

But there are two colossal problems.

A) The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government
map does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government.
Only Iraq and Iran can agree their bilateral boundary, and they
never have done this in the Gulf, only inside the Shatt because
there it is the land border too. This published boundary is a fake
with no legal force.

B) Accepting the British coordinates for the position of both HMS
Cornwall and the incident, both were closer to Iranian land than
Iraqi land. Go on, print out the map and measure it. Which
underlines the point that the British produced border is not a
reliable one.

None of which changes the fact that the Iranians, having made their
point, should have handed back the captives immediately. I pray they
do so before this thing spirals out of control. But by producing a
fake map of the Iran/Iraq boundary, notably unfavourable to Iran, we
can only harden the Iranian position.

 http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2007/03/fake_maritime_b.html

March 27, 2007
Captured Marines (Again)

My two earlier posts have caused quite a stir, so here are some
further observations.

Sadly, but perhaps predictably, both the British and Iranian
governments are now acting like idiots.

Tony Blair has let it be known that he is "utterly confident" that
the British personnel were in Iraqi waters. He has of course never
been known for his expertise in the Law of the Sea. But let us
contrast this political certainty with the actual knowledge of the
Royal Navy Commander of the operation on which the captives were
taken.

Before the spin doctors could get to him, Commodore Lambert said:

"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they were in Iraqi
territorial waters. Equally, the Iranians may well claim that they
were in their territorial waters. The extent and definition of
territorial waters in this part of the world is very complicated".

That is precisely right. The boundary between Iran and Iraq in the
northern Persian Gulf has never been fixed. (Within the Shatt-al-
Arab itself a line was fixed, but was to be updated every ten years
because the waterway shifts, according to the treaty. As it has not
been updated in over twenty years, whether it is still valid is a
moot point. But it appears this incident occurred well south of the
Shatt anyway.) This is a perfectly legitimate dispute. The existence
of this dispute will clearly be indicated on HMS Cornwall's charts,
which are in front of Commodore Lambert, but not of Mr Blair.

Until a boundary is agreed, you could only be certain that the
personnel were in Iraqi territorial waters if they were within
twelve miles of the coast and, at the same time, more than twelve
miles from any island, spit, bar or sandbank claimed by Iran (or
Kuwait).

That is very hard to judge as the British government refuse to give
out the coordinates where the men were captured. If they really are
utterly certain, I find that incomprehensible. Everyone knows the
Gulf is teeming with British vessels and personnel, so the position
of units a few days ago can hardly be valuable intelligence.

Until a boundary is set, it is not easy to posit where it should be.
It has to be done by negotiation or arbitration. I have participated
in these negotiations, for example on the boundary between the
Channel Islands and France.

With a dead straight coastline with no islands, and a dead straight
border between two countries hitting the coast at a right angle, you
could have a straight maritime border between the two running out
from the coast at a right angle. This never happens.

In practice, you agree a series of triangulation points on both
coastlines and do a geometric triangulation exercise to find a line
running out from the coast. Coasts of course can be very odd shapes.
Draw an imaginary coast and border on a bit of paper and try it
yourself. You will soon see why the rules permit you to take into
account the general trend of the coastline, and even the angle of
the land border. Those are not problems of geometry but old
fashioned horse trading.

First, of course, both sides will argue about which triangulation
points on the coast to accept. You are allowed, for example, to draw
a line across a bay entrance and use that as the coast, but there is
plenty of room for the other side to argue over where that line is
drawn.

That is only the start. For territorial seas (but not the 200 mile
exclusive economic zone) uninhabited rocks and sandbanks count.
Again huge room for argument here - the ownership of a useless
sandbank is not necessarily a settled thing. Sticking your
triangulation point on a sandbank twelve miles out can make a huge
difference.

Then it really gets complex. What if the sandbank only appears at
low tide? What if it is dry all day, but only at certain times of
the year? What if it is prone to move about a bit?

You haggle like mad over this. "You can't have that sandbank unless
we have this one plus this spit." You also then get into
weighting. "That bit of land is only around half the time, so we'll
give it one third weighting" - in other words we will allow 33.3%
more sea than you would get if it didn't exist and we just used a
point on the coast.

Massive volumes have been written on the prinicples behind these
negotiations, but they tend to ignore the fact that ultimately it
has to come down to political negotiating skills between a vast
range of justifiable possible agreements. That is why we just can't
know where the boundary is between Iran and Iraq in this area, which
has enough sandbanks to keep me happy thinking about it for
centuries. If either side needs a negotiator...

Anyway, the UK was plainly wrong to be ultra provocative in disputed
waters. They would be allowed to enter Iranian territorial seas in
hot pursuit of terrorists, pirates or slavers, but not to carry out
other military operations.

The Iranians had a right to detain the men if they were in seas
legitimately claimed as territorial by Iran. Indeed, it is arguable
that if a government makes a claim of sovereignty it rather has to
enforce it, possession being nine parts of international law. But
now the Iranian government is being very foolish, and itself acting
illegally, by not releasing the men having made its point.

The story leaked by Russian intelligence claiming knowledge of US
plans to attack Iran on 6 April has had great publicity in Iran, if
very little here. Personally I doubt it is true. But it seems to me
a definite risk that the Iranians will decide to keep the marines
against that contingency.

That would be very unfortunate. The Iranian government, by
continuing to hold the British personnel, are foolishly providing
new impetus to Bush and Blair, whose attempts to bang the war drum
against Iran have so far met profound public scepticism. We don't
need any more oil wars.

If Blair actually sought the release of our people, rather than anti-
Iranian propaganda, he would stop making stupid macho noises and
give an assurance that we intend to resolve not only this problem
but all disagreements with Iran by peaceful means, and give specific
reassurance that no attack is imminent.

But if the Iranian government wait for Blair to behave well, the
marines will rot for ever. They should let the men (and woman) go
now, with lots of signs of friendship, thus further wrongfooting
Bush and Blair.

 http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2007/03/captured_marine.html

British Marines Captured By Iran

I explained that in international law the Iranian government were
not out of order in detaining foreign military personnel in waters
to which they have a legitimate claim. For the Royal Navy to be
interdicting shipping within the twelve mile limit of territorial
seas in a region they know full well is subject to maritime boundary
dispute, is unneccessarily provocative. This is especially true as
apparently they were not looking for weapons but for smuggled
vehicles attempting to evade car duty. What has the evasion of
Iranian or Iraqi taxes go to do with the Royal Navy? The ridiculous
illogic of the Blair mess gets us further into trouble.

Incidentally, they would under international law have been allowed
to enter Iranian territorial waters if in "Hot pursuit" of
terrorists, slavers or pirates. But they weren't doing any of those
things.

Having said all that, the Iranian authorities, their point made,
should now hand the men back immediately. Plainly they were not
engaged in piracy or in hostilities against Iran. The Iranians can
feel content that they have demonstrated the ability to exercise
effective sovereignty over the waters they claim.

Any further detention of the men would now be unlawful and
bellicose. One of the great problems facing those of us striving
hard to prevent a further disastrous war, this time on Iran, is that
the Iranian government is indeed full of theocratic nutters.


 http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2007/03/british_marines_1.html

March 23, 2007

British Marines Captured By Iranians

The capture of British Marines by Iran has happened before, then on
the Shatt-al-Arab waterway. It will doubtless be used by those
seeking to bang the war drum against Iran, though I imagine it will
be fairly quickly resolved.

Before people get too carried away, the following is worth bearing
in mind. I write as a former Head of the Maritime Section of the
Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

The Iranians claimed the British soldiers had strayed into Iranian
territorial waters. If they had, then the Iranians had every right
to detain them for questioning.

The difficulty is that the maritime delimitation in the North West
of the Persian Gulf, between Iraq, Kuwait and Iran, has never been
resolved. It is not therefore a question of just checking your GPS
to see where you are. This is a perfectly legitimate dispute, in
which nobody is particularly at fault. Lateral maritime boundaries
from a coastal border point are intensely complicated things,
especially where islands and coastal banks become a factor.

Disputes are not unusual. I was personally heavily involved in
negotiating British maritime boundaries with Ireland, France and
Denmark just ten years ago, and not all our own boundaries are
resolved even now. There is nothing outlandish about Iranian claims,
and we have no right in law to be boarding Iranian or other shipping
in what may well be Iranian waters.

The UN Convention on the Law of The Sea carries a heavy presumption
on the right of commercial vessels to "innocent passage", especially
through straits like Hormuz and in both territorial and
international waters. You probably won't read this elsewhere in
these jingoistic times but, in international law, we are very
probably in the wrong. As long as the Iranians neither mistreat our
Marines nor wilfully detain them too long, they have the right.

 http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2007/03/british_marines.html

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Craig Murray


not a real photo

29.03.2007 13:29

....that's some pretty shitty photoshopping there. Is it supposed to show Iranians attacking the consulate or what?

GIMP


your only getting threats

29.03.2007 14:01

because hurts.keep on.

craigaide