War criminals need time, not a timetable: Community
Not your ABC | 22.03.2007 02:03 | Analysis | Iraq | Terror War | World
Not only has Labor left the Iraqi's in the lurch by being complicit in the illegal and degrading act of aggression killing over 655,000 people in a holocaust but now they say, after the fact, that they won't leave the Iraqi's in the lurch. So why have we been left in the lurch?
No Remorse!
The Australian war criminal, prime minister John Howard says the international community must stay engaged at the hard end of the struggle in Iraq.
But what do the International Community owe John Howard and the Coalition of the Killing really? After ensuring hundreds of thousands of dead people!
Surely he means it gets harder when there lay over 655,000 dead people? With his criminal track record in Iraq, in order to continue to enforce his form of democracy on Iraqs sovereignty, all based on a lie mind you.
During a speech in Canberra last night, John Howard said Iraqis need patience and resolve - not a timetable or retreat.
Waiting to be killed is not patience is it? So how destructive is this resolve?
Howard attacked the complicit alleged Opposition Leader, Kevin Rudd (Lib/Lab), for saying Labor would withdraw Australia's combat troops without leaving the Americans immediately in the lurch.
"The pirouetting around lurch and immediate lurch strikes a pose I hadn't encountered before, for mine a lurch delayed is still a lurch," he said.
What about the lurch to the dark side?
Isn't it true John Howard that you have lurched and continue to lurch?
Not just that but have shown no remorse for your criminal acts? So what we have here is an admission from a war criminal who wants to continue to lurch no matter how much damage he's caused to innocent people.
That he is willing to occupy their sovereignty and to lurch in Iraq but not willing to leave the USA in the lurch? The USA who has led the illegal and degrading acts of aggression against innocent people?
Just why should the International Community allow you to predatorily lurch on the innocent sovereign nation any longer?
But Labor's foreign affairs spokesman Robert McClelland says no one would be left in the lurch in Iraq. [655,000 dead - Lancet Report?]
"Labor is still leaving the ship in the gulf, the aircraft, the transport, the overflight facilities there," he said.
"Iraq is a civil war, it is only going to be resolved by the waring factions."
Not only has Labor left the Iraqi's in the lurch by being complicit in the illegal and degrading act of aggression killing over 655,000 people in a holocaust but now they say, after the fact, that they won't leave the Iraqi's in the lurch.
Howard also attacked the alleged Opposition's plan to withdraw militants from Iraq, while supporting militant deployments in Afghanistan.
"It may be clever politics to portray Afghanistan as the good war and Iraq as the bad war, but this is a position cloaked in folly," he said.
Sure it is because both wars are 'bad wars' because there is no such thing as a good war. Both wars are illegal and degrading crimes against humanity.
Both wars are for oil resources and hegemony and have nothing to do with helping people. In fact the only people being assisted in Afghanistan are the warlords who are bleeding to be able to get an amnesty for their own crimianl acts. People who are now governing that puppet nation?
Howard says a premature withdrawal of Coalition forces would not be a wise choice for Australia.
"I believe strongly that to signal our departure now would be against Australia's national interest," he said.
"The stakes are extraordinarily high for Iraq, for the wider Middle East, for American power and prestige and ultimately for our region and our own national security."
Yes the stakes are high because of both wars of aggression with over 655,000 dead plus and has destroyed these countries. These are very high losses for the dead, injured and maimed. Australia's occupation and the subsequent killing of innocent people both in Iraq and Afghanistan is criminal.
But the stakes are very high for Australians as well who have become a target for an act of terrorism and suffer fear and draconian laws indefinitely.
Related:
Iraq: Protests against US operations in Sadr City
Several thousand people protested last Friday following evening prayers in the first public expression of hostility toward the US military operations now taking place inside the densely-populated Shiite working class district of Sadr City in Baghdad. Demonstrators chanted “No occupation” and “No America” as they marched in opposition to the announcement by American commanders that they were establishing their first permanent base inside Sadr City’s limits, at an Iraqi police station.
http://wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/sadr-m21.shtml
We need to withdraw because it is the right thing to do.
Yes the lies have started ever since 9/11 if not earlier...
When I saw an article with some poll result below:
The poll highlights the impact the sectarian violence has had. Some 26% of Iraqis - 15% of Sunnis and 34% of Shi’ites - have suffered the murder of a family member. Kidnapping has also played a terrifying role: 14% have had a relative, friend or colleague abducted, rising to 33% in Baghdad.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142430.php
THE MONSTER
The MONSTER destroys itself, so why do we fight the MONSTER? Why not just build our own world? Think of cost benefit of our time, money and our investment in building a new world - opposed to trying to stop the MONSTER who is always right. I know! We might save some lives! Nah! The monster said… that those people had to die and they'll have to lock people up if they disagree. So we say… well lock us up then. And they do! Then they go off and continue to do the killing while people are locked up. Because that was the right thing to do - because they were just terrorists and you were just a wild animal that doesn't understand capitalism and the way the system works. I know! We'll stop the war in Iraq? But Afghanistan is okay so well just keep on building democracy over there?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142427.php
Australians have become a victim of terrorism
The John Howard government's terrorist antics have been the most dangerous acts of aggression on sovereign nations for 200 years. Why wouldn't people fear some form of retaliation or false flag terrorist act now? What you do is what you get! So why do it? Why take the risk? Then tell us about the risks because of what you do? Who should be scared? John Howard should be scared at the next election. We should be scared that he was elected last time and that the mass media power help reinforce that fear by propping up a war criminal and his governments terrorist antics.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142131.php
THE POLITICS OF CRIME IN AUSTRALIA TODAY
How is it that Prime Minister John Howard can accuse other people of some crime or lies? No, you do not need to be clairvoyant or have any special supernatural talents to meet up with or to see one of the more see-through inhabitants of politics in Australia today. You just need a strong heart and an eager mind. While other people, who are being accused, belittled, tainted or desecrated by numerous criminal politicians and their media allies. Politicians who don't lead us by any form of example and who break their own morals, principals, values, and ethics. Politicians who break their own laws in order to deceive us and to suit their own political ends.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/141552.php
Australia: The New 51st State
John Howard's servility to the US is even greater than Tony Blair's and has earned him the nickname Bush's deputy sheriff. The conspiracy between Washington, the media and politicians is eroding the country's freedoms
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/141471.php
An alleged international security expert from the US? CIA?
No question in my mind, sorry! I think we need to get Smart! What do you think 99?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/141110.php
Document says 15 Million Australians planning terrorist attacks
A leaked Australian intelligence document says Australian politicians are facing a greater threat from terrorists than at any time since the September 11 false flag operations by the US neocons in the US in 2001.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/141003.php
"Camp Howard" - Australia's very own Guantanamo Bay on Christmas Island - Feb 20
The completion date for this $364 million dollar Guantanamo-style detention complex is mid-2007...
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/140942.php
The Howard government, RAMSI, and the April 2006 Solomon Islands’ riots Part 2
The Howard government immediately moved to derail the official investigation, using all the dirty tricks at its disposal. Former Australian Federal Court Justice Marcus Einfeld, who was appointed head of the inquiry, became the target of an extraordinary media witchhunt in Australia, ostensibly over an unpaid $77 speeding fine. Following Einfeld’s announcement that he was resigning from the Solomons’ investigation, the barrage of sensationalist stories disappeared from the headlines as suddenly as they had emerged.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/140729.php
High Court More Vulnerable To War Criminals?
Lawyers for Mr Thomas have argued the order imposed by the Federal Court is at odds with the Constitution.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/140409.php
If you're waiting for Lib/Lab then you're just waiting for a catastrophe!
What about all the scapegoats the Howard government has produced for their war on terror/resources? Most, still languishing in isolated segregation prisons and still waiting to be heard. Rendition and torture of our citizens? 20 years for thought crimes? Jury asked to push on when they couldn't make up their mind? Rules of evidence and standards lowered in our local courts? 5 years in Guantanamo without trial or charge? Military style Kangaroo Courts, Control Orders? Detention Orders? Indefinite Detention? Then we have Australian citizens being held in detention and even being deported?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/139474.php
Homegrown war criminal's 'a serious problem in Australia'
Jump, scream, run and hide the muswims are coming to get you! Everywhere I turn there is another terrorist. I opened the sugar bowl this morning and there was a terrorist cockroach just waiting to get me, after stealing my sugar mind you. So we must be very alert and very alarmed. How else would a war criminal get re-elected after a holocaust and what looks like a third interest rate rise this year? Mostly, Howard's goals can only be attained, amongst other things, if he pushes race hate buttons and whilst you continue to live in fear.
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/44930
Australia's Terrorism Wake Up Call [164]
The horrific bombings of the Sari Club and Paddy's Bar in Bali, on October 12, 2002, considerably strengthened the hand of the CoW in pursuing the War on Terror. Here was an opportunity to harden the hearts of the Australian and US public against Islamic fundamentalists. It was also a chance for the Indonesian government to justify harsh measures in the war against terrorists and secessionists, such at those in the province of Aceh.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/107756.php
But what do the International Community owe John Howard and the Coalition of the Killing really? After ensuring hundreds of thousands of dead people!
Surely he means it gets harder when there lay over 655,000 dead people? With his criminal track record in Iraq, in order to continue to enforce his form of democracy on Iraqs sovereignty, all based on a lie mind you.
During a speech in Canberra last night, John Howard said Iraqis need patience and resolve - not a timetable or retreat.
Waiting to be killed is not patience is it? So how destructive is this resolve?
Howard attacked the complicit alleged Opposition Leader, Kevin Rudd (Lib/Lab), for saying Labor would withdraw Australia's combat troops without leaving the Americans immediately in the lurch.
"The pirouetting around lurch and immediate lurch strikes a pose I hadn't encountered before, for mine a lurch delayed is still a lurch," he said.
What about the lurch to the dark side?
Isn't it true John Howard that you have lurched and continue to lurch?
Not just that but have shown no remorse for your criminal acts? So what we have here is an admission from a war criminal who wants to continue to lurch no matter how much damage he's caused to innocent people.
That he is willing to occupy their sovereignty and to lurch in Iraq but not willing to leave the USA in the lurch? The USA who has led the illegal and degrading acts of aggression against innocent people?
Just why should the International Community allow you to predatorily lurch on the innocent sovereign nation any longer?
But Labor's foreign affairs spokesman Robert McClelland says no one would be left in the lurch in Iraq. [655,000 dead - Lancet Report?]
"Labor is still leaving the ship in the gulf, the aircraft, the transport, the overflight facilities there," he said.
"Iraq is a civil war, it is only going to be resolved by the waring factions."
Not only has Labor left the Iraqi's in the lurch by being complicit in the illegal and degrading act of aggression killing over 655,000 people in a holocaust but now they say, after the fact, that they won't leave the Iraqi's in the lurch.
Howard also attacked the alleged Opposition's plan to withdraw militants from Iraq, while supporting militant deployments in Afghanistan.
"It may be clever politics to portray Afghanistan as the good war and Iraq as the bad war, but this is a position cloaked in folly," he said.
Sure it is because both wars are 'bad wars' because there is no such thing as a good war. Both wars are illegal and degrading crimes against humanity.
Both wars are for oil resources and hegemony and have nothing to do with helping people. In fact the only people being assisted in Afghanistan are the warlords who are bleeding to be able to get an amnesty for their own crimianl acts. People who are now governing that puppet nation?
Howard says a premature withdrawal of Coalition forces would not be a wise choice for Australia.
"I believe strongly that to signal our departure now would be against Australia's national interest," he said.
"The stakes are extraordinarily high for Iraq, for the wider Middle East, for American power and prestige and ultimately for our region and our own national security."
Yes the stakes are high because of both wars of aggression with over 655,000 dead plus and has destroyed these countries. These are very high losses for the dead, injured and maimed. Australia's occupation and the subsequent killing of innocent people both in Iraq and Afghanistan is criminal.
But the stakes are very high for Australians as well who have become a target for an act of terrorism and suffer fear and draconian laws indefinitely.
Related:
Iraq: Protests against US operations in Sadr City
Several thousand people protested last Friday following evening prayers in the first public expression of hostility toward the US military operations now taking place inside the densely-populated Shiite working class district of Sadr City in Baghdad. Demonstrators chanted “No occupation” and “No America” as they marched in opposition to the announcement by American commanders that they were establishing their first permanent base inside Sadr City’s limits, at an Iraqi police station.
http://wsws.org/articles/2007/mar2007/sadr-m21.shtml We need to withdraw because it is the right thing to do.
Yes the lies have started ever since 9/11 if not earlier...
When I saw an article with some poll result below:
The poll highlights the impact the sectarian violence has had. Some 26% of Iraqis - 15% of Sunnis and 34% of Shi’ites - have suffered the murder of a family member. Kidnapping has also played a terrifying role: 14% have had a relative, friend or colleague abducted, rising to 33% in Baghdad.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142430.php THE MONSTER
The MONSTER destroys itself, so why do we fight the MONSTER? Why not just build our own world? Think of cost benefit of our time, money and our investment in building a new world - opposed to trying to stop the MONSTER who is always right. I know! We might save some lives! Nah! The monster said… that those people had to die and they'll have to lock people up if they disagree. So we say… well lock us up then. And they do! Then they go off and continue to do the killing while people are locked up. Because that was the right thing to do - because they were just terrorists and you were just a wild animal that doesn't understand capitalism and the way the system works. I know! We'll stop the war in Iraq? But Afghanistan is okay so well just keep on building democracy over there?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142427.php Australians have become a victim of terrorism
The John Howard government's terrorist antics have been the most dangerous acts of aggression on sovereign nations for 200 years. Why wouldn't people fear some form of retaliation or false flag terrorist act now? What you do is what you get! So why do it? Why take the risk? Then tell us about the risks because of what you do? Who should be scared? John Howard should be scared at the next election. We should be scared that he was elected last time and that the mass media power help reinforce that fear by propping up a war criminal and his governments terrorist antics.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142131.php THE POLITICS OF CRIME IN AUSTRALIA TODAY
How is it that Prime Minister John Howard can accuse other people of some crime or lies? No, you do not need to be clairvoyant or have any special supernatural talents to meet up with or to see one of the more see-through inhabitants of politics in Australia today. You just need a strong heart and an eager mind. While other people, who are being accused, belittled, tainted or desecrated by numerous criminal politicians and their media allies. Politicians who don't lead us by any form of example and who break their own morals, principals, values, and ethics. Politicians who break their own laws in order to deceive us and to suit their own political ends.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/141552.php Australia: The New 51st State
John Howard's servility to the US is even greater than Tony Blair's and has earned him the nickname Bush's deputy sheriff. The conspiracy between Washington, the media and politicians is eroding the country's freedoms
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/141471.php An alleged international security expert from the US? CIA?
No question in my mind, sorry! I think we need to get Smart! What do you think 99?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/141110.php Document says 15 Million Australians planning terrorist attacks
A leaked Australian intelligence document says Australian politicians are facing a greater threat from terrorists than at any time since the September 11 false flag operations by the US neocons in the US in 2001.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/141003.php "Camp Howard" - Australia's very own Guantanamo Bay on Christmas Island - Feb 20
The completion date for this $364 million dollar Guantanamo-style detention complex is mid-2007...
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/140942.php The Howard government, RAMSI, and the April 2006 Solomon Islands’ riots Part 2
The Howard government immediately moved to derail the official investigation, using all the dirty tricks at its disposal. Former Australian Federal Court Justice Marcus Einfeld, who was appointed head of the inquiry, became the target of an extraordinary media witchhunt in Australia, ostensibly over an unpaid $77 speeding fine. Following Einfeld’s announcement that he was resigning from the Solomons’ investigation, the barrage of sensationalist stories disappeared from the headlines as suddenly as they had emerged.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/140729.php High Court More Vulnerable To War Criminals?
Lawyers for Mr Thomas have argued the order imposed by the Federal Court is at odds with the Constitution.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/140409.php If you're waiting for Lib/Lab then you're just waiting for a catastrophe!
What about all the scapegoats the Howard government has produced for their war on terror/resources? Most, still languishing in isolated segregation prisons and still waiting to be heard. Rendition and torture of our citizens? 20 years for thought crimes? Jury asked to push on when they couldn't make up their mind? Rules of evidence and standards lowered in our local courts? 5 years in Guantanamo without trial or charge? Military style Kangaroo Courts, Control Orders? Detention Orders? Indefinite Detention? Then we have Australian citizens being held in detention and even being deported?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/139474.php Homegrown war criminal's 'a serious problem in Australia'
Jump, scream, run and hide the muswims are coming to get you! Everywhere I turn there is another terrorist. I opened the sugar bowl this morning and there was a terrorist cockroach just waiting to get me, after stealing my sugar mind you. So we must be very alert and very alarmed. How else would a war criminal get re-elected after a holocaust and what looks like a third interest rate rise this year? Mostly, Howard's goals can only be attained, amongst other things, if he pushes race hate buttons and whilst you continue to live in fear.
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/44930 Australia's Terrorism Wake Up Call [164]
The horrific bombings of the Sari Club and Paddy's Bar in Bali, on October 12, 2002, considerably strengthened the hand of the CoW in pursuing the War on Terror. Here was an opportunity to harden the hearts of the Australian and US public against Islamic fundamentalists. It was also a chance for the Indonesian government to justify harsh measures in the war against terrorists and secessionists, such at those in the province of Aceh.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/03/107756.php
Not your ABC