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Police drastically under-estimate numbers at demo.

Stu | 28.02.2007 17:11 | Anti-militarism

Police underestimate numbers at the troops out/no trident rally. Police and media quoted figure of 10,000 reported as nonsense.

THE POLICE AND DEMONSTRATION NUMBERS
Whatever the issue, campaigners and protestors, are now used to the farce of the
estimates given out by the police for the numbers on demonstrations when
contrasted with the experience of those participating. The most notorious
example was the initial figure of 70,000 given out on 15 February 2003 for a
demonstration which was the largest in British history, with up to two million
protestors on the streets.

Last Saturday was another milestone in the endlessly repeated saga, when the
police gave their initial estimate as 2 to 3,000. Following complaints, this was
quickly raised by the police to 10,000, a figure that was then adopted by most
of the media.

How do we know the figure of 10,000 was nonsense? The combined total of placards
distributed at the start of the rally by Stop the War, CND, BMI and just two
other organisations affiliated to Stop the War was over 10,000. Many more
placards were distributed by other groups. Look at any picture of the march and
it is clear that only a minority carried placards. The ratio is around 5-10
people not carrying placards to one person carrying a placard. The maths is
quite simple for the whole demonstration.

Stop the War has made a formal complaint to the Metropolitan Police and sent a
copy of the complaint to all media sources in the country. We know that many of
our supporters have sent complaints to newspapers and television news
programmes. What the motivation is for the ever predictable under-estimating of
numbers attending demonstrations is anyone's guess!


Source: Stop the War Coalition E-Newsletter.

Stu

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How many people?

28.02.2007 18:13

Just how many people does it take to stop a war, official or unofficial? One million or ten thousand i really don't think the government and it's string pullers give a shit on numbers when the same old a-b tactic is deployed to little effect. Also i am thinking maybe the media have no interest in getting the numbers correct so fuck em, don't waste time writing to them spend your time supporting the alternatives. I remember a spokes person from STWC telling me they did not want to take part in Direct Action as it might put off potential demonstrators at future events. As the numbers seem to get smaller each time out maybe it's time for the STWC/SWP to take its head out of it's ass and support the type of tactics that good people have put into action in the past but failed due to lack of numbers, Sack Parliament springs to mind.

Graham


Official complaint

28.02.2007 21:09

Maybe we should put in an official complaint to the STWC for consistently over estimating numbers. I know the police figure is crazy low but likewise, the figure of over 100,000 given by the STWC seemed somewhat of an exaggeration only exceeded by previous even more OTT claims from the STWC after marches.

2+2 = 5


STWC Marches

28.02.2007 22:21

Many people in STWC take part in Direct Action. They have been involved in Faslane 365, Aldermaston Blockade and Lakenheath etc.
For many people who attend the marches it is a big step. There are not loads of people who are being misled by STWC that marching around London will change anything but at least they get them doing something. This is the chance for us to communicate with them.
The Autonomous block seemed to do little apart from joining the march. Perhaps they should have been leafleting, talking and mobilising people for direct action like Rebecca Johnson did in her speech at the rally.
We could not have done half the direct action that we have if it had not been for people who we had met through STWC marches and other events. I do not see the two thing as mutually exclusive but as complementary.

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