09-01-07: Video of Christian Bigots being Christian Bigots

You've seen the photos with witty captions, that led to the photographers email inboxes being flooded with bible text, now you can see the pictures moving, with sound.

Video 090107_Christian_Bigots - video/x-ms-wmv 16M

Listen and learn as the Christian Right, who say they don't hate gays, let rip and it all comes flooding out, crucifying themselves for all to see - except to the mainstream media, who seemed intent on making them look a nice bunch of "concerned parents".

Victor Meldrew, Carlton Banks from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air (in a Guantanamo Bay prison uniform) and the lovely Ian Paisley all get to have their say, as police authorise free speech to the Christian Bigots, but move-on the Gay Rights activists.

Sorry, only Right Wingnuts get to shout on this night. Everyone else, you're not on the list, so you're not coming in (out).

Oscar Beard
e-mail: oscarbeard@yahoo.com.mx

Comments

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this will be hidden soon enough

13.01.2007 20:55

so: editorial guidelines ...

Christians demonstrate = bigotry;
but to state that fact that Iranians hang is verboten ...

sceptic

Christian Bigots v Infuriating Queers

13.01.2007 23:09

(aka Christian traditionalists v gay rights movement)

Why would any gays really want to work for a homophobic boss forced by law to employ them? Or stay in a guesthouse run by a landlord that simply didn’t want them there? Therefore is the new legislation really needed?

Is this so-called moral battle between the traditionalists and the gays in fact a smoke and mirrors trick and the real winners of the new anti-discrimination legislation are the BNP? Surely this legislation gives them the same rights not to be discriminated against, and if so, what are the likely consequences of that?

Concerned Observer

'Infuriating Queers'

14.01.2007 00:11

and no, you're not bigoted either.

sceptic

'Homophobia' Christians Should Be Given Respect As Other Phobia

14.01.2007 00:23

So let me get this right.

All Christians are people right?

Made in the image of God?

Some Christians are scared people?

People scared about homosexuality?

Scared people with their own views and opinons and beliefs who live a life in fear of homosexuality?

So scared people should be made fun of, abused, taunted etc, yet these are the very same qualities which others want to see erradicated, for the opposite side of the fence or different opinion?

Should people who are scared be made fun of because their fears are judged by others to be not real, not genuine, unfounded?

Should real scared people not be given any respect as equal to others that suffer from other types of phobia?

Jesus Christ! May God forgive us all our foolish ways!

Amen

Justpassing

Take three ...

14.01.2007 02:13

Remember the Race Relations Act?

Now let's just change two words:

'Why would any coloureds really want to work for a racialist boss forced by law to employ them? Or stay in a guesthouse run by a landlord that simply didn’t want them there? Therefore is the new legislation really needed?'

Remember the sign: 'No Coloureds Here'? [no, probably too young]

Did the Race Relations Act help the BNP or its 60s equivalent? And if it did, should we have not passed the law?

sceptic

good point

14.01.2007 10:12

sceptic, me old nemisis

good point

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com

Equal Opportunities

14.01.2007 12:04

Part of the problem with employment rights is of course that hierarchical workplaces allow bosses to impose their prejudices on the whole company. In a collective, directly democratic structure it would be much harder to discriminate.

All nutters have a right to their opinions be that fundamentalists or racists, it's when they feel they can impose their ideology on others we should feel threatend.

Breeder

Beware the Thought Police

14.01.2007 12:44

Jackslucid, I bet you are more than a little confused to find yourself on the same side as the scourge of Indymedia – i.e. sceptic?

The comparison he draws is not comparative at all. Racism in the 60s was a very serious problem. Homophobia today is hardly in the same league, and don’t forget, we already have laws against “homophobia”.

This new legislation goes one step further and takes away the right to even believe that homosexuality is somehow wrong.

Whatever next? A law that takes away the right to believe that adultery is somehow wrong? Or a law that takes away the right to believe that abortion, obesity, pornography, vivisection, eugenics or pre-emptive war is somehow wrong?

The new regulations are not a law about gay rights at all, but the suppression of non-gay’s rights to hold their beliefs. Beliefs that have been around for thousands of years.

Choosing a lifestyle or subculture where homosexuality is seen as somehow wrong has now been outlawed. Yet, providing they don’t harm others, people should have the right to choose what they believe is best for them and their kin. But apparently not any more, the State will dictate what you are allowed to think (see breeders comment!).

only a little suprised actually

14.01.2007 14:23

I have on occasion been in agreement with all sorts of people I would not normaly imagine I would be. This is less a reflection of their beliefs, than a reflection of the mistakes of hubris and ego.

Quite clearly, I am an opinionated idiot (why else would I be here?). I believe I have good intentions though (see: road to hell) so would be a fool to throw out the possibilities based on personality or association alone.

I think I will have to go away and think more about this subject ... it is possible that there is merit to be had from both sides of this debate ... if when found, this merit allows for greater understanding and convergence from two seemingly dispirit sides, all the better.

peace.

jackslucid
mail e-mail: jackslucid@hotmail.com

Notice in hotel window:

14.01.2007 14:55

'No coloureds here'
'No gays here'

So we find one acceptable, and the other not? Please tell me which.

sceptic

NO BNP?

14.01.2007 20:56

I believe you have good intentions Jascklucid, and I believe you are right to think in the way you do. I’m also content with the fact you could see my argument may have at least some merit. Peace and Respect!

Sceptic you muppet, putting a notice in a hotel window is more than just holding a belief, it is putting that belief into action - just as an employer advertising a job would be if he said Homosexuals need not apply. Besides, those things were already illegal.

How about ‘No BNP’?

Concerned Observer and muppets

15.01.2007 09:56

I quote you:

'Or stay in a guesthouse run by a landlord that simply didn’t want them there?'

Now, how is the landlord going to make it known he doesn't want gays there? Well, he could turn them away. Or, to save confrontation, he could put a notice in a window.

How do you suggest he would make it known?

sceptic

Answer:

15.01.2007 13:05

..using the same methods Indymedia use to avoid neo-nazis and other psychos using this site. Or perhaps the same way a landlord would avoid swingers using his guesthouse…

Try and book a reservation for a party of six 18-20 year old men at a guesthouse or campsite and see what happens – 9 out of ten will say NO.

Perhaps we should have a law preventing the discrimination of fat and ugly people from doing promotions work..?

People are discriminated against all the time because of personal prejudices.

Would you allow a 70 year old homosexual man and a 16 year old homosexual boy book a room at a guesthouse owned and run by you? After all there is no law against that. And if not, are you discriminating against their sexuality are the age gap.

'People are discriminated against all the time because of personal prejudices. '

15.01.2007 16:50

So that makes it right, does it?

'No Coloureds here'!
'No Gays here'!

70 year old man and 16 year old - look, why don't you apply for a job on the Daily Mail? You'd go down a bomb there.

sceptic

Your insincere weasel worded response speaks volumes.

15.01.2007 20:59

Sceptic. Unless you answer the question I will naturally think you have something to hide. So here it is again:

Would you allow a 70 year old homosexual man and a 16 year old homosexual boy book a room at a guesthouse owned and run by you?

A simple yes or no would suffice.

You’re too afraid to answer.

yes.

15.01.2007 22:12

Why not?

Please do tell me why I shouldn't?

sceptic

16…?

16.01.2007 00:49

Would you have a problem with it if it was your son? What if it was your father?

Sounds as if you have no real moral objection to 15 year olds. If it wasn’t for the law how low would you stoop, 14, 13, 12…?

either a troll, or stupid.

16.01.2007 11:43

'Sounds as if you have no real moral objection to 15 year olds.'

Firstly, that is a particularly stupid comment. 'Sounds as if ...' Build your own argument then suggest I support it.

The law lays down certain ages when an act is legal/illegal.

If I served alcohol to an 18 yr old, does that mean I have no moral objection to serving it to 17 yr olds?

If a 70 yr old man and a 16 yr old girl stayed in my hotel, does that mean I have no real moral objection to 70yr old/15 yr old?

My own moral feelings are irrelevant - the law states this is legal/illegal.

By your logic, if I had 'moral objections' to a coloured man and a white woman sharing a room, I would be entitled to turn them away. 'No coloureds here'!

sceptic

Or

16.01.2007 12:07

a stupid troll!

Hegel

sceptic, we all know you are a stupid troll

16.01.2007 15:49

You said “If a 70 yr old man and a 16 yr old girl stayed in my hotel, does that mean I have no real moral objection to 70yr old/15 yr old?”

Yes, your earlier response: “Yes. Why not? Please do tell me why I shouldn't?” does suggest that from your perspective the age gap is irrelevant. And you imply that as long as something is legal it is moral.

In fact you do say “My own moral feelings are irrelevant - the law states this is legal/illegal”
Therefore, if the law changed to allow 70 year olds to have sex with 14 year old children presumably you would have no problem with that…?

Whereas, I would never let a 70 year old book a room to have sex with a sixteen year old regardless whether they were male or female. Fuck the law. I have to live with the consequences of my action.

You clearly have no moral consciousness!

It therefore appears that I as an atheist have more in common with religious groups, and you have more in common with pimps and paedophiles. And ironically you think you have the right to chastise me…?

Very Concerned Observer

Very Concerned Observer

16.01.2007 18:13

"does suggest that from your perspective the age gap is irrelevant. "

No, it doesn't. YOU are making inferences beyond Sceptic's statements- and doing a right bad job of it too!

And what right have you to foist your prejudices on others?

16.01.2007 18:18

or, if you are losing an argument, resort to hurling insults.

Yes, you do what the law says, or you take the consequences. If you don't like the law, campaign against it [the point of the original post]. If you don't like it the law, and break it, be prepared to take the consequences.

You might think a 70 +16 year old to be 'wrong'. What then is 'right'? A 60 +17 yr old? 50 +18? 40 +20? Please do tell us where your prejudices would stop drawing the line.

sceptic

The same right as you!

16.01.2007 20:10

If your own moral feelings are irrelevant, as you say, you will have no problem with 70 year old men having sex with 16 year old boys because that is legal, and it would logically follow that you are oppose 16 year old boys having sex with 15 year old girls because that is illegal.

So the question remains: “If the law changed to allow 70 year olds to have sex with 14 year old children presumably you would have no problem with that…?”

Please do tell us where YOUR prejudices would stop drawing the line…Come on muppet, the scourge of Indymedia, answer my question first.

A simple yes or no will suffice...

VCO

sigh

16.01.2007 20:50

The point, which you so gloriously keep on missing, is that it is not my prejudices, nor yours, that matter. Society, of which we are all part, has decreed that certain things are permissible and certain things are not. You're entitled to campaign to change those limits. What you're not entitled to do is to flaunt the law on the basis of your own personal whims or prejudices. Got that yet?

sceptic

sceptic

16.01.2007 21:50

I don't know why you are bothering with this troll. Not even a particularly skilled troll. He's playing a game with all the wit of "Guess what number am I thinking of?"

Slash Bee Star Domain

another sigh

16.01.2007 22:51

You're probably quite right. I have been told that stubbornness is one of my virtues.

And apologies: I said 'flaunt' when I meant 'flout'.

sceptic