Is your bin bugged?
bin-debugger | 26.08.2006 21:41 | Technology | Sheffield
According to the Daily Mail "500,000 bins in council districts across England" have been bugged to "transmit information about the contents of the bins to a central database which then keeps records on the waste disposal habits of each individual address".
Is your bin bugged?
Is your bin bugged?
See the article here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/text/print.html?in_article_id=402439&in_page_id=1770
I just checked my bin and it's not bugged, though it does have the hold for a bug to be inserted, my bin is a Sheffield wheelie bin...
If anyone finds a bug in their bin please post photos and a report about what you did with it!
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I just checked my bin and it's not bugged, though it does have the hold for a bug to be inserted, my bin is a Sheffield wheelie bin...
If anyone finds a bug in their bin please post photos and a report about what you did with it!
bin-debugger
Additions
Leeds bins are bugged
28.08.2006 13:52
some are very thin tags the same colour as you bin, some are marked some are not, do not be fooled by the big rfid tags, some are only 1mm thick.
In the Greatest intrusion of our privacy in the history of the Country you are now having exact details of your rubbish sorted
and stored by local councils who want to charge you for dumping excess packaging produced by big cooperation's.
Fines
Councils are also issuing automatic through the post fines for incorrectly sorted recycled rubbish in recycling bins, or in other
words if some idiot sticks his rubbish in your bin you get a automatic £80 fine via the post, guilty as charged.
Here We see a rfid tags in both recycling and non recycling bins provided by Leeds City Council, who will shortly begin issuing
fines for "contamination" of recycling bins by ay source, this is despite the recycling center burning down and not getting replaced.
WHAT NEXT, SPY TAGS IMPLANTED IN YOUR HEAD
RESIST BIG BROTHER
REMOVE YOUR SPY TAG AND DESTROY IT
BIG BROTHER IS HERE !
In the Greatest intrusion of our privacy in the history of the Country you are now having exact details of your rubbish sorted
and stored by local councils who want to charge you for dumping excess packaging produced by big cooperation's.
Fines
Councils are also issuing automatic through the post fines for incorrectly sorted recycled rubbish in recycling bins, or in other
words if some idiot sticks his rubbish in your bin you get a automatic £80 fine via the post, guilty as charged.
Here We see a rfid tags in both recycling and non recycling bins provided by Leeds City Council, who will shortly begin issuing
fines for "contamination" of recycling bins by ay source, this is despite the recycling center burning down and not getting replaced.
WHAT NEXT, SPY TAGS IMPLANTED IN YOUR HEAD
RESIST BIG BROTHER
REMOVE YOUR SPY TAG AND DESTROY IT
BIG BROTHER IS HERE !
bugsin Leeds
Comments
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Bug in the bassbin?
27.08.2006 00:03
If local authorities are to meet obligations for recycling, then at some stage the people that refuse to participate are going to have to learn. I mean how difficult is it to put the KFC wrappers in the green bin, not the black bin? Well, you are what you eat, and the greasy-chicken-head-people are struggling. A little bit of RFID technology will help them along, into the world of clean, non-smelly bins, don't you think?
I don't recycle everything but I do try, unlike some people that I know. Failure to recycle is anti-social, if not grounds for eviction. I don't think we need to be encouraging people to rip out their bin's RFID tag, unless there is some post-Orwellian microphone/camera/sniffer built in there, because the motivation for this is clean. The bins belong to the local authority so ripping out the bug is a crime. Besides, can you imagine how difficult a recycling scheme would be to roll out if the bug in the bin had to be explained?
Incidentally, you can get 24 grand for doing the bins these days, and with 'filthy rubbish' only getting collected fortnightly, a job on the bins isn't so bad, particularly if you can be home by lunchtime, albeit after a 5 A.M. start.
Craig
Craig do you work for the government?
27.08.2006 08:30
Moreover, there is a political agenda, to charge people for collecting rubbish is being suggested by the Institute of Public Policy Research and Local Government Association. Is the data being used for costing your future rubbish collection? Once again New Labour trying to get the rest of us to take responsibility and pay for capitalism problems.
No-one has pointed out is that we are paying for our rubbish collection already, including recycling in our Council Tax payments. It is a spectacular con by the government, IPPR and LGA, getting us to pay twice for what should be met by our Council Tax.
At the same time it should be noted there is no attempt to introduce legislation to limit the packaging on super market goods. Therefore the government expects us to cough-up for the pollution and rubbish big privately run buisness produce, irrespective of the fact we no control over how they package goods, while their share holders live high in the hog and then you Craig come on here all sweet reasonableness and defend this policy - piss off new labour troll!
Harry
What
27.08.2006 10:31
You are trying to wind us up surely.
Or do you work for the government & would like to know what conversations we have with our rubbish bin.
Dammit.
HAHA
Why we bug your bins
27.08.2006 14:33
The next stage is more interesting. You can tell a lot about a household from their refuse. Maybe there are more people living there than we know about. Maybe someone is claiming a Council Tax discount or Housing Benefit on the basis of being a sole occupier. Worse, a houshold might be sheltering someone we have excluded from the area for anti social behaviour, or illegal immigrants.
From looking at the items in the refuse (RFID tagging at item level will help) we can determine a lot about your lifestyle. Maybe you drink too much, in which case we can involve the neighbourhood management team to help you address this and your resulting antisocial behaviour. We could also pass this on to the NHS data spine. We can see how you are feeding your children, and again correlate this with any reports of ASB, performance at school and social services and police involvement.
You might be tempted to place your refuse in someone elses wheelie bin to avoid the charge. This will be a serious offence and in persistant cases could be detected by covert surveillance, authorised under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (this already happens for ASB and flytipping investigations). Dumping your refuse in the back alley instead of using your wheelie bin properly is already an offence which can attract a £5000 fine, as is failing to recycle properly.
Many people fail to seperate their recyclables properly, and in a few cases they have been prosecuted and fined. In fact recyclables are better seperated at the civic amenity site (tip to you) and we make a far better job of it that you will (eg we can tell steel cans from aluminium). The trouble is we have got too good, so the prices of scrap glass and waste paper have gone through the floor and the stuff gets landfilled anyway. The reason for making you seperate your waste to to engender a spirit of involvement with the community and to make you feel like you are contributing to saving the environment, when in fact you would do far more good by only using reusable containers, composting and minimising your waste. Plus it gives us an opportunity to punish you when you get it wrong, as invariably we all will.
There will be further benefits when we start sharing the data with our partner Tesco, and they will be able to correlate your waste with your shopping (using credit and loyalty card data), offer you products and services which may be of interest to you, according to your lifestyle and detect and discourage any disloyalty you may show by shopping elsewhere.
The bin and RFID tag belongs to the council not you, despite the fact that we will charge you if you get it nicked or torched, and any damage to the bin or chip will be prosecuted as criminal damage leading to a fine of up to £5000 or six months in the mags court.
Your council - protecting the environment and spending your money wisely. On people like me who are paid £40k plus, despite never having done a days work in our lives. All the people whos work we all depend on, like the dustmen were contracted out to more work and lower pay long ago.
Local Government Employee
Spy Nation
27.08.2006 15:44
The way to arrange rubbish collection is simply to split it up into organic, glass, plastic and things like batteries and, on a bigger scale, electrical goods, which cannot just be thrown into a landfill. At the end of the day, we cannot throw this stuff into a landfill in Wales.
Most of the trouble comes from the producers of goods who feel the need to wrap everything up in plastic. In my town ,we have McDonalds crap all over the place. The council ought to charge 10p per each item picked up. And yes, fine the litter droppers also. I'm sick of seeing parents throw rubbish in front of their children. Raise your kids in such a manner, and you'll be kicking beer bottles and dodging litter in your area one day.
As for bin men on £24,000 a year. Trust me, if we saw that one in the local job center, there would be a line of people begging for a chance.
I'd crawl on the road picking up chewing gum for that price.
Eyes Higher
bugged bin malarky
27.08.2006 17:43
My concerns with this is rather then it dealing with those intentionally being difficult and not recycling, it will screw over vulnterable adults, blind people, the elderly etc Also, a nasty neighbour might put stuff into your bin, or even inadvertently do it if you have a communal yard area where all the bins are for your block of flats.
Surely it would be better to continue to use council tax to dispose of litter and when people are given community service orders for offences like vandalism/chavish behaviour rather then them paint goalposts or other pointless tasks, they can sort household waste as their community sentence into recycling piles... thus negating the need for charges to fund people to sort it.
Rolo
Labour lunacy again
27.08.2006 17:47
Sara
It's not just about recycling
27.08.2006 18:19
The point of kerbside recycling is that the communities which we manage can feel involved in protecting their environment - even though the landfill is tens of miles away from where they live. By putting your recyclables out only on the third Tuesday after the full moon or whatever we decide you are showing your ability to obey the rules and to be a responsible and social citizen, something we all should be proud to do.
Complex kerbside recycling schemes do not increase the amount of material recycled, but that is not the point. Even in the most compliant areas, waste reclaimation centre separation generates far more recyclable materials. In areas under neighbourhood management it is difficult to get people to put their refuse in any bin, rather than scattering it around the back allies to feed the rats, so you can imagine how charging for refuse by weight will go down.
There is however massive potential for using the information generated by RFID bins, along with RFID tagging at item level to help manage our communities, enforce our rules and improve the lives of those who need our help to avoid petty crime and antisocial behaviour and it would be a shame if this opportunity was lost because of perceived concern about a non existent threat to civil liberties.
I agree totally about reducing packaging at point of sale - the Irish plastic bag tax has been a great success.
Local Government Employee
It's Your Duty Citizen
27.08.2006 19:04
D.U. Warlord
Reply to Local Government Employee
28.08.2006 01:52
For 'fascist comrades', read the 'Tory party' if you're a normal person.
Big Brother
Reply to Big Brother
28.08.2006 10:48
I wouldn't have thought that information sharing with central government would be a problem. Central government would need to provide the appropriate regulations but that's not been a problem in the past - for example there are links between Housing Benefit and Council Tax and the Department of Work and Pensions and HMRC. This could attract central government funding - alwats a big plus with the elected members - and provide opportunities for neighbourhood management, ASB, HB and Council Tax fraud and of course central IT teams to expand the scope of their contribution (without empire building of course) to improving the lives of the inhabitants of the communities we lead and manage.
Local Government Employee
Fines for failing to recycle properly
28.08.2006 17:36
I've just had a look at my bin - the hole for the tag is there - I bet all these bins come from the same factory and are made with the same moulds - just change colour according to the branding of the council involved - but there is no tag. Maybe soon.
Local Government Employee
Pay as you throw
29.08.2006 07:59
Jonny English
rfid tag zapper
29.08.2006 08:38
burntout
Reliable news from the Daily Mail
29.08.2006 09:18
foobar
Not alterable!
29.08.2006 15:18
The issues are not as much to do with identification, but with control and secrecy. The creation of uniquely identifiable objects and there assignment should be done in a way that is consensus based and open. As should be the use that is made of the data that is collected. As is is the state is going about these activiities in an underhand way. If we have nothing to fear from it why is it not discussed in public.
The marking of your rubbish bin ( or clothing) by the state is completely different from me doing it as an individual. One process i am in control of the other i am not.
librfid
A Way Around It.
30.08.2006 21:32
Sam 1 - Council 0.
Sam
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05.10.2006 19:40
jason
Boiling it may render it useless!
07.10.2006 13:13
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