look, cruelty to animals is bad, but this is not such a serious issue.... dont get so worked up over it, animals are killed in cruel ways all the time by non novelists too.... yes, it is wrong and should stop, but get a grip!! the world in never going to be vegan.... furthermore, is it not more likely that this writer made up this story to promote and cause publicity for their work??? also, why should a cat be killed in a cruel way any worse than any other non cute animal, such as rats and mice?? cats can also be seen as vermin, and rats or snakes as pets.

Stick a human face on that individual cat,and the preceding comment wouldn't flow forth so assuredly.

What is "vermin" anyway? That which causes trouble or shits on the rooted plants of decorated garden dwellers.If the definition of "vermin"including earth destroying and polluting homosapiens,such as ourselves,we would all be pumped full of the "Rent-a-Kill" poisons.

Is "cuteness" a prerequisite" for harming and killing? Or is "cuteness" just applied to those "dumb stupid animals?"

Babies are "cute" and they presently defile the earth with their shitty nappies(in land fills) and futurely consecrate this when becoming an "adult" through driving.

Are they not included in the tag "vermin"?


On to the "Novelist",maybe one of the kittens--big cat relations--could escape from a zoo or a circus and practically apply the same "might makes right" philosophy back on to the "Novelist."

Tim,

ido not say might makes right, but there is no way to stop killing of animals. i believe the best we can do is simply to minimise and cut down the cruelty, and stop unecessary killing and wasteful destruction. Rats are killed because they carry diseases that are harmful to humans. pigs and cows are killed to eat, they are animals.... furthermore, in most rural areas, it is rare to find vegetarianism or veganism. why? because anyone who has observed nature at any close distance know nature is dripping with blood from head to toe. we humans are also animals....

"Nature is dripped in blood from head to toe."

"Nature" is an abstract description--not a person--so it would be impossible for "nature" to be "dripped in blood from head to toe."

Though i do know what you mean,as it has been re-vomited from every script reading presenter on tv,and re-verbalised (and re-typed) by every known--and unknown--anthropocentric, existent.It is usually said,in a justification of slaughtering billions of those "dumb stupid animals",but is it logical? or to do with self-advantaging a culinary palate? Are the cows,sheep,chickens,ducks,turkeys and pigs--vicious (lion like) carnivores? Are they apart of the "nature" you refer to as "dripping in blood from head to toe?"

Your previous thread was about how it wasn't a "serious issue" about "kittens" being killed by a "novelist" ;because "dumb stupid animals" are killed everyday and so its not a huge revelation as that happens consistently and by that consistancy,it is therefore okay.I presume you make that judgement as there "only animals." And i further presume you wouldn't make the same statement if a child was killed like that, because there "human" and therefor distinct and special,right? Yet,in order,to justify the consuming the remains of those "deadly carnivores",the pigs and cows etc,you then type "we are animals too." Can you see the "contradiction?"

Can you see your self-advantaged psychology?

Here it is:

We're animals,when we kill animals.(equality killing equality,therefore "fair")

But when animals are killed by humans(now not animals),there "just animals" and we're not,no we're "human." (superiority over inferiority,therefore "fair" again)

P.S. Adolf Hiter,documented by his chef,enjoyed "bavarian sausages,caviar,ducks liver" and also had a deer skin stick which was used to beat "his" dog with.(Hitler also banned "vegetarian societies in Germany)
Though this isn't the "truth" because the "BBC" haven't sanctioned it or any other corporate media outlet,and they decide what history is.

Hitler was also white,do you feel guilty or complicit in sharing the same skin colour as the dear Adolf did?

Hello, just wanted to let you know that this article and commentary have been linked to a prominent blog in Japan. A guy who hosts a radio show runs the blog. Some of your remarks were translated in abbreviation. You may expect some traffic from Tokyo, concerning this debate.

A mirror debate has also been started up on the blog.

You charge me with 'anthropocentrism'. I plead guilty. But there is no other way. We do not know what it is like to be an animal, a fly, an bat or a cat.Neither i know or you know. Secondly, the idea of 'equality' is a human idea, coming out of human society, as is the idea of 'animal rights'. 'rights' are a product of complex legal thought, have a complex history, and only make sense in reference to a state that recognises those rights. 'rights' do not exist apart from human society, and more particularly western liberal democratic states. As for the idea that ' nature is dripping with blood from head to toe', of course it is just an image. but it is also expresses the extremely brutal existence of animals outside and independent of human society. That is just the way it is. As for equality, of course humans are superiour to animals. there is no equalityand can be no equality between a human and a cat. this does not mean that cats should not be treated well, and that states and governments should not enforce various 'animal rights'. i hope this is clearer.

Extrait du compte-rendu du Mercredi 13 Septembre 2006 du Conseil des Ministres de la Polynésie Française :

Le gouvernement a été informé des propos calomnieux tenus le 18 août 2006 dans un magazine par un auteur japonais célèbre vivant à Tahiti, qui se vante « de tuer des chatons en les jetant du haut de la falaise située derrière sa maison de Taravao dès qu’ils naissent ». L’auteur a justifié ces actes de cruauté par le fait que la Polynésie française est « le pays des chats et des chiens errants, des bâtards qui ne sont jamais recueillis par personne » et où « on trouve leurs cadavres partout ».

Le gouvernement souhaite rappeler que l’article 2 de la délibération n°2001-16 du 1er février 2001 relative à la protection des animaux domestiques et des animaux sauvages apprivoisés ou tenus en captivité précise « qu’il est interdit d’exercer des mauvais traitements envers les animaux domestiques ainsi qu’envers les animaux sauvages apprivoisés ou tenus en captivité » : Les chats et les chiens sont des animaux protégés par la réglementation applicable en Polynésie française. Les contrevenants à ces dispositions sont passibles des peines de contraventions allant jusqu’à 150 000 FCFP qui sont doublées en cas de récidive.

Dans cette affaire, le gouvernement, qui condamne ces actes de maltraitance envers des animaux domestiques, est choqué par les déclarations et les actes de l’auteur. Il a donc décidé de se constituer partie civile et de déposer une plainte auprès du Procureur de la République.

Source :  http://www.gouvernement.pf/articles.php?id=3177


Extract of the French Polynesia Ministers Council report - Wednesday September 13th 2006 :

The Government has been informed of the slanderous words written in a magazine on the August 18th 2006 by a famous Japanese author living on Tahiti, who brags "to kill kittens by throwing them off from the high of the cliff located behind her house in Taravao town, as soon as they are born". The author justified her cruelty acts by the fact that French Polynesia is "the country of feral cats and dogs, of mixed breeds who never are adopted by anyone" and where "their bodies are found everywhere".

The Government wishes to remember that the Article 2 of the Deliberation 2001-16 of the 1st February 2001 concerning the Protection of domesticated and tamed wild or kept in captivity animals stipulates "… is forbidden to make mistreatments to Pets as to tamed wild animals and kept in captivity animals": Cats and dogs are animals protected by the regulations applied in French Polynesia. Offenders to these measures are liable to fines penalties going up to 150.000 FCFP (US$1.500,00) which are doubled in case of second offense.

In this affair, the Government who blames these acts of mistreatment to Pets, is shocked by the declarations and acts of the author. He decided thus to act jointly with the public prosecutor and to fill a complain to the General Attorney .

Ia ora na,

J'ai récemment appris par des médias étrangers que Madame Masako Bando, originaire du Japon et vivant sur la presqu'île de Tahiti - dont je suis la représentante élue à l'Assemblée - s’est vantée publiquement au Japon uniquement et par pure provocation de « de tuer des chatons en les balançant allègrement par la falaise derrière sa maison ».
Dans ses déclarations, Madame Bando donne une très mauvaise image d’elle-même, extrêmement cruelle. Elle veut choquer la population japonaise, au titre qu'il n’y a que les scandales qui soient vendeurs. Ces déclarations ont donc pour seul objectif de créer un scandale afin de mieux vendre son dernier livre. Elle s’est attaquée à l’image de notre pays, sans scrupule, allant jusqu'à mentir, pour vendre son livre.
Vous devez savoir qu’il n’y a pas de falaise derrière la maison de Madame Bando. C'est une pure invention de sa part.
En outre, comme tous les amoureux des animaux de compagnie, elle est bien connue de notre vétérinaire, elle s'y montre comme une cliente qui affectionne ses animaux de compagnie autant que chacun de nous.
Nous avons, en effet, un vétérinaire sur la presqu'île. Comme tous les vétérinaires de Polynésie française, il propose d’endormir gratuitement les chatons nouveau-nés. Il est bien connu et les services qu'il propose le sont également. C'est donc faire preuve de cruauté délibérée que de jeter ainsi des chatons d'une falaise en sachant les souffrances que l’animal va endurer jusqu'à sa mort ensuite alors qu'il existe, dans notre pays, des solutions plus humaines, connues depuis longtemps, et alors que cet acte est parfaitement illégal.
En plus, madame Bando se plaint du prix des services vétérinaires pour stériliser ses chattes. En Polynésie française la stérilisation d'une chatte coûte 16 000 fcp (US$160,00) et pour les mâles elle est de 9 000 fcp (US$90,00). Elle est consentie à moitié prix aux associations de protection des animaux. Des réductions sont proposées aux particuliers ayant plusieurs stérilisations à faire. Madame Bando, autant que je sache, ne fait pas partie de la frange de population ne pouvant pas se permettre cette dépense pour la stérilisation de ses chattes.
Néanmoins ceci peut être considéré comme cher pour d'autres. Une réflexion pour établir une politique de stérilisation à meilleur prix est actuellement poursuivie par notre gouvernement qui,a pris ses fonctions il y a seulement 2 ans, après les 20 ans de règne du gouvernement précédent.

Madame Bando, au lieu de témoigner de la gratitude envers le pays qui vous accueille, vous cherchez à vous en servir comme d'un paillasson, à le piétiner, pour mieux vous vendre…
Je ne vous en remercie pas.
En tant que représentante du peuple, membre élue à l'Assemblée, appartenant au groupe politique majoritaire du gouvernement, originaire de cette presqu'île où vous résidez, je suis très déçue et choquée par vos déclarations cruelles envers les animaux et votre mépris envers le pays et la population qui vous accueille. Faire de telles déclarations mensongères, détruisant l’image de notre pays aux yeux de nos visiteurs uniquement pour vendre un livre, c’est moralement lamentable …
Je ne manquerai pas de porter cette affaire devant les tribunaux.

Madame Sabrina Birk Levy
Représentante à l’assemblée de la Polynésie Française
Vice Présidente de la Commission Permanente
Vice Présidente de la Commission des Institutions et des Lois
Ia ora na,

I recently learned by foreign medias that Mrs. Masako Bando, coming from Japan and living on Tahiti Peninsula – of which I am the elected representative at the Assembly - publicly bragged, in Japan only and by pure provocation, to " kill kittens by blithely chucking them off by the cliff behind her house".
In her declaration, Mrs. Bando gives a very bad image of herself, extremely cruel. She wants to shock the Japanese population, aiming that only scandals are selling. Her declarations have thus as only goal to create a scandal to dope her new book sells. She has attacked the image of our country, without scruples, going even up to lie, to sell a book.
You have to know that there is no cliff behind the house of Mrs. Bando. It is a pure invention of her. Besides, like all Pets lovers, she is well known by our veterinarian, in his clinic where she shows herself as a customer who is fond her Pets, like any of us.
We, indeed, have a veterinary clinic on the Peninsula. Like all the French Polynesia veterinarians, he offers for free to asleep newborn kittens. He is well known and the services he offers are equally known. It is thus a show of willful cruelty to throw kittens off cliff, knowing the sufferings that, after, the animal will endure to death when, in our country, it exists, since long, well known and more humane solutions and when this act is awfully illegal.
In addition, Mrs. Bando moans on the veterinary services prices available to neuter her she-cats. In French Polynesia, the sterilization of a she-cat is of 16.000 fcp (US$160,00) and to spay a male is of 9.000 fcp (US$90,00). It is discounted to half-price for Pets associations. Other discounts are allowed to individuals having several sterilizations to do. Mrs. Bando, as far as I know, doesn't belong to the population fringe unable to consider this expense for the sterilization of her Pets.
Nevertheless, others can regard this as expensive. A thinking to set up at better prices sterilizations politic is at the moment studied by our government, which is in place since only two years, after a reign of 20 years of the previous government.

Mrs. Bando, instead of showing gratitude to the country that welcomes you, you try to use it as a carpet, to trample it underfoot it, just to make a greater business for you with you…
I do not thank you.
As a people representative, elected member of our Assembly, belonging to the political group having the majority, born on this Peninsula where you reside, I am very disappointed and shocked by your cruel declarations for animals and your contempt for my country and its population who welcomes you. To make such untruthful declarations, damaging the image of our country in the eyes of our visitors, uniquely to sell a book, is morally pathetic.
It is bound to happen that I shall take your case before our courts.

Madam Sabrina Birk Levy
Representative of the French Polynesia Assembly
Vice President of the Permanent Commission
Vice President of the Institutions and Laws Commission