rabbit kills hunt scum

alf | 21.08.2006 02:51 | Animal Liberation | Health

Karma rules as hunt scum John Freeman is killed by rabbit...

In the first known case of fatal rabbit flue, John Freeman, a 29 year old farmer, died just days after handling an infected bunny during a night shoot. The 18 stone hunt scum fell ill the next day and his doctor thought he had a common flu until he collapsed two days later and was rushed to intensive care. He died from Pasteurella multocida, a common bateria found in rabbits’ noses. It is thought to have infected the hunter through an injury on his thumb. Oh well, it's a bunny old life, hey?

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Glorying in Death is Mindless

21.08.2006 07:52

Being disrespectful of the dead rabbit hunter gives your opponents all the ammunition they need. To sink to the same level as hunters and state apologists does nothing for the cause of animal rights. Your opponents are going to connect your views of the death of a human being with the desecration of graveyards.

Rising above the mentality of those who hunt and the headlines of The Scum and Daily Hate Mail and taking the moral high ground by pointing out the barbarity and needless cruelty of hunting rabbits will win you friends and the argument. As at this time you need all the friends you can get.

Sneering at the death of this man will not endear you to his family and friends - they will take your remarks as one more example of what they think of animal rights people - that we as animal rights people value animal life over that of humans.
As far as I'm concerned I value all life equally. There is no animals versus humans - duality thinking is the trap set by the establishment - it is there to ensnare the likes of you and you've fallen right into the trap.

By being clear about revering the lives of people and animals we can skip around the traps set by the state. By being honourable and respectful of your enemy is the best way to foil the State machinery that succeeds in blackening the name of animal carers and liberationists.

Let's not play by the rules of the establishment - be imaginative - be compassionate towards humans as well as animals. I will not miss John Freeman because I did not know him, but his relatives and friends will.

For the animals - Live & Let Live

Live & Let Live

Nothing really wrong with hunting rabbits!

21.08.2006 09:30

I live in the country where they damage crops, plus there are millions of them as they, breed well like rabbits! A farmer hunting them humanely is fair enough besides they are nice with bacon, white wine and garlic!

Arthur

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Nothing really wrong with hunting rabbits!

21.08.2006 09:31

Arthur

Sorry?

21.08.2006 09:56

Rabbits are a wholly introduced species into Britain. If you care about British Wildlife and Countryside why not remove this intruder from the eco-sphere, which they have escaped into and are destroying? Is the key principle saving animals lives for white middle class townies or creating a sustainable and balanced ecology in the face of impending environmental disaster for all of us?

Ivor Pig

just a thought

21.08.2006 10:09

Remember that the poster may not infact be a supporter of animal rights at all?

Many underhand methods are being used against the animal lib movement right now.

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Rabbit mass destruction....

21.08.2006 12:29

Obviously only Humans are allowed to destroy crops and the environment and breed like....Humans.
We must kill all Rabbits they may join extremist fundamental Rabbit groups and destroy us all.

NotNow!

Its no different

21.08.2006 12:54

So on animal rights, where do you guys stand on the producion of Halal meat? You know how its produced, and the process of slaughter without any form of anesthetic or stunning?

Jonny English

Halal Slaughter

21.08.2006 17:53

My answer Mr English is that I condemn halal slaughter as I condemn all forms of animal slaughter. There is no such thing as humane slaughter.

http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/

R
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irony

21.08.2006 18:22

"Many underhand methods are being used against the animal lib movement right now"

Haha, not at all like the entirely legitimate methods being used by AR activists .... bombs in Caversham, anyone??

Shaquila
mail e-mail: shac.is.gay@gmail.com

But is it true?

21.08.2006 19:33

Great story, but what's the origin of it?

Surely, rabbits must have always had this bacterium up their cute snuffly noses? Why has only now someone died from it?

It certainly DESERVES to be true, but I fear that it's an urban (or should I say, rural) myth :0)

Gregor Samsa

Live and Let Live is absolutely correct

21.08.2006 20:43

I agree with 'live and let live', their comments are both noble and mature, very much like Gandhi who also hated animal cruelty and vivisection. The antithesis of which is that troglodyte Shaquila, who as ever has nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Where did this immature homophobe come from?

Shac is gay? Grow up for fuck's sake.

Malcolm

gloating over death

22.08.2006 02:20

I agree that gloating over one persons' death is counterproductive and morally questionable. The person who died seems more ignorant than evil (though I would say the same about the original poster, if he/she is genuine and not a stooge of the animal abuse industry).

I am not sure about the situation in the UK but in New Zealand the status of rabbits as a "pest" has nothing to do with them destroying the natural environment, but because they compete with the sheep and cows for introduced grass that planted after destroying the natural environment. New Zealand farmers illegally introduced rabbit calicivirus to control rabbits. Research suggests that this may have harmed the natural environment. Rabbits are natural prey for the introduced stoats. As rabbit numbers decline, the stoats are switching to eating native birds.

Michael Morris
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so why...

22.08.2006 08:25

So why are there no protests over Halal meat on this site? Is this site run by Muslims? Wouldnt suprize me looking at the other news items that appear on here.

Fuck Alton Towers

Mr English

Is "Rabbit flu" the new "Bird Flu"?

22.08.2006 09:36

Sorry,lads and ladies,i don't for a moment believe this man died from "rabbit flu"? How ridiculous is that,will the next death of a man,women or child be from..... "hamster flu"?

This man was or is a "farmer".... right? Then he must of spent most of his life around chemical pesticides,inhaling and ingesting them, regularly in the external environment,he would of sprayed them in.These noxious subtances could of accumilated in his body,over a period of time,and weakened any bodyily defenses, thus maybe causing his ill-health and subsequent death.

Who would profit the most from diagnosing this man as dieing from "rabbit flu"? Well,the drug companies who will be "begged" to create a "vaccine",the "research industry" who do animal experimentation for a "price",the medical establishment who will prescribe(and profit) from the "life-saving vaccine,"the politicians who are patrons of the "health charities" or have stocks and shares in the multinational drug companies.
(And all this fear provoking circus hides and diverts attention away from the damage the chemical industry and their chemical pesticides do to human health and well-being)

Is this "Bird Flu" part two?

Tim

Morality, mortality and rabbit murder

24.08.2006 00:50

I come from a family of poachers - my mum was raised in a single room house where on a good day the walls were draped with drying carcasses. When I can't avoid it I'll eat meat. My uncle, the last remaining poacher in the family explains it this way 'Back then peasants were forbidden to eat any meat except braxey' ( sheep that had died, or seemed to have died, from natural causes - rotten mutton carcasses on the hills in other words). That was the only meat the genuinely poor ate. So they hunted live rabbits (etc) to survive and feed their children. I realise this isn't an excuse that vegans would buy, but I don't have to kill anything and still occassionally hunger drives me to eat meat. There are damn few vegans who would turn down a steak if they were genuinely starving.

I don't have any scientific credentials. I don't know if 'rabbit flu' is a believable cause of death but I do know rabbits have been deliberately diseased by deliberately introduced diseases like myxomatosis. My cub-scout troop ( the last organisation that I signed up for ) came across a baby myxomatosis rabbit - it remained still as we approached it and handled it. It's eyes were shut with mucus. It wasn't a happy bunny. We all had penknifes and a few of us - me included - argued that we should kill it. Not for pleasure or food, but as a mercy killing. The majority argued against this so we left it to die a slower, more painful yet still unnatural death. I still regret that. Even as an eight year old poacher I would have happily killed the shit who spread myxomatosis with my penknife. I don't believe any of the previous responses properly acknowledge the impetus of hunger and malnurition on human morality nor proper concern for animals.

Perhaps we shouldn't but when we are hungry enough we will eat each other never mind 'bunnies'. Still 'rabbit flu' sounds to me like yet another virus introduced for the economic benefit of the landed gentry at the expense of nature and those few humans who still live in balance with nature. My uncle still eats the rabbit meat he hunts with dogs and I have no problem with that, and I don't accept any of you condemning that while you have access to any mass-farmed food he can't afford to buy. Yet the death of a so-called 'huntsman' who kills for sport simply makes the planet a little lighter in my opinion.

Danny

vegans and freegans

24.08.2006 08:56

I liked yur story Danny. Perhaps you have heard of freegans. They are mostly vegan, but like you would not object to eating meat that would have been thrown away if not eaten. They eat by raiding dumpsters for food othersie woudl have gone to waste in this very consumerist society. I don't think many of us would condemn people who ate meat when there was genuinely nothing else to eat, but for me the issue is not should humans eat meat, but should these humans eat this meat. Meaning should comfortably well off westerners eat meat that has been factory farmed and slaughtered with hideous cruelty given that we can survive quite healthily on nutritious and delicious non animal based foods.

Michael Morris
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freegans !

24.08.2006 15:01

No, I've never heard of the term freegans though I have known a few, thanks for that. I knew an animal rights bloke who worked at a dog charity who wouldn't even shop in a store that sold meat. One of my mates challenged his leather boots one night so he left them and refused to take them back. Anyway, a deerhound he was walking took off and killed a passing deer and he carried it back in his arms to a local vets only for it to die so he ate it without any qualms. I hope he has first refusal at eating me when I die, he did inspire me ( ta again Rob).

Danny

The Animal Rights Bloke

25.08.2006 08:58

Well,by defintion,the "animal rights bloke" who ate the "sumptuous" bodily flesh of an individual deer,is'nt an "animal rights bloke",anymore than a "male carnivore" would be a "human rights bloke."

Tim

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re John Freeman

01.09.2006 18:41

I am an old school friend of John Freeman, and I am appalled by the bile which has emanated from the lunatic fringe of the animal rights movement. Before writing such hate filled rubbish, I suggest you stop and consider a few points. First of all, it is a pity that you do not have the maturity or basic humanity to make your point without trying to injure and upset John's family. Perhaps you should learn to care about humans before getting so heated over the culling of farm pests. In any case, if you knew anything about wildlife conservation and farming, then you would understand the total idiocy of your remarks. To glorify in the tragic death of a young man - you are beneath contempt. Do you not have any compassion for people who are grieving? John is not here to respond to your comments, and frankly they are undeserving of a response. Suffice to say that people like yourself are sad pathetic individuals best treated with utter contempt. What goes around comes around. For every action there is a reaction.

Jeremy Quartermain

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Hunters reunited

03.09.2006 07:13

Hey Jeremy,your typing from a fraudulent premise as no one gives a shit if you are "appalled" or if you are a "friend" of these supposed man.

Tim

"What goes around comes around"

03.09.2006 11:44

Damn straight, and that's why John Freeman snuffed it. One less bumpkin.

Roger

A terrible and insensitive remark.

04.09.2006 03:26

What's the matter with you Roger? How can you say that? This man is dead for Christ's sake. I dislike animal cruelty, very much so, but rejoicing in this man's death is grossly insensitive to this man's grieving family. My heart goes out to this man's family.

Badger

The Moral Law

04.09.2006 06:56

The supposed man will be grieved by his family,which is natural and understandable,however the supposed man had a zero contempt for fellow earthlings and displayed this by shooting,wounding and killing individual mammals for machismo fun.

Tim

Bollocks

11.09.2006 19:34

Why do loads of twats hang out on Indymedia now and leave crappy comments?

A lot of people here claim to be against the mainstream media but totally absorb the bullshit they put out about certain groups, one being animal rights. If these are the people that are supposed to be thinking for themselves, then no wonder things are in such a mess...

It's pathetic.

Someone with a bit of sense

Distaste

08.11.2006 23:36

I am a vegan and a member of a local animal rights group, I wish to express my distaste for the above article. My thoughts go out to the family of the individual killed.

Humans are animals. Animal rights = Human rights!

The people who free animals from labs and damage the property of animal abusers are brave and this type of article does a disservice to them.

Real AR

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