You should totally get your own back, how about digging up the graves of a relative of every member of the goverment, or perhaps firebomb their houses - I know you could kidnap their children.

Your worse than the animals you protect.

if they ain't shooting at you, you ain't trying hard enough. Unpleasent as the SHAC campaign was it fucking worked didn't it so it's no suprise it's going to be destroyed.

we should also lock up everyone who opposes US foreign policy or the war in Iraq, because it serves them right for flying aeroplanes through buildings. And we must lock up anyone who supports US foreign policy. It serves them right for torturing Iraqui prisoners. Oh, and don't forget anyone who opposes abortion. They must be punished for firebombing abortion clinics. And all Jews must be punished for Israel's attack on Lebanon.

That while we should all oppose the Government's repression of animal rights activists they have brought this on themselves with foolish extreme acts. Of course the government will use the most extreme examples as a lever to introduce legeslation which affects all forms of protest.

By Doing the things they have SHAC have harmed not only the animal rights cause but the wider activist movement. It is time for those involved in animal rights to seriously examine their methods and to accept wider responsibility for the inevitable outcome of their activites.

"You are worse than the animals you protect," what does that mean? Are the mice,beagle dogs and primates running the slaughterhouses? Are they(the mice ect) running toxic drugs that maim and kill people globally? Are the mice and beagle dogs and primates creating the nuclear weopens? NO! But there --probably, no definately-- being blasted and maimed and killed with them at Porton Down.

The "grave robbery" was done by agent provoctuers of the State and the "research" industy,the people who the tabloid and tv media say confessed to it, "didn't."But it doesn't matter what the truth is because the "truth" is decided by the collective mainstream media who are a mouthpeice of their advertisers and owners.

You also set a hypothetical of animal rights activists "kidnapping children," which was inspired by the tabloid and tv media recently sensationalizing "animal rights activists target nursery" which implies by the word "target" that bombs were dropped and violence was done;but what was the reality? I think it was just a bunch of e-mails,letters and maybe a useless protest.

The first "Daily Mail" message,yes that would be you,are tv and tabloid embodying DRONE!

Think and question abit maybe your psychosis mind,will expand!

"You are worse than the animals you protect," what does that mean?


Well fuckwit it means that your are the kind of people who are so low on the evolutionary scale that your are eating your own shit and fighting like dirty animals.

The "grave robbery" was done by agent provoctuers of the State and the "research" industy

Oh I see now its backfired on you it was someone elses fault, guess all the people you have victimised and who live in terror were some one elses fault as well.

See you never tried to deny the mindless violence that terrorises families across the country, I hope the police hunt you down like the rabid animal you are.

Er, strictly speaking, yes. Humans are primates.

You apologists for the mass victimisation, terrorisation and murder of billions of non-human sentient beings are beyond belief, but then again..

I blame both your parents and your lazy sorry arsed selves for keeping yourselves in the dark when it comes to learning about universal harmony.

Try a little harder.

Was that the number given to you while they were performing the tests. 'Subject 24601 eh? Now its startingto make sense. Theyve brainwashed the animals to make a case on theyre side. Were fighting a lost battle here.

This 2 -6- bollocks poster is probably that animal hating gay bashing arsehole Shaquila, only writing under a different name as she has no balls (proverbially speaking).

I dislike animal rights extremism and have never taken part in any protest, however I do feel that vivisection is flawed and has catastrophic consequences for human health, the evidence for this is absolutely overwhelming and can only be denied by people who live in caves or who are plain stupid (Shaquila comes to mind again here!)

The facts about the negative consequences of animal research ought to be widely disseminated in the media so as to give anti vivisection proponents a fair and balanced hearing, not only the speakers but also the many doctors,surgeons and other medical people who oppose it but whose opinions are never given an airing in the (biased) media.

Two six dildo ought to reflect upon this fact as well as the fact that the New Labour Government promised in its election manifesto to undertake a royal commission into the scientific usefulness of vivisection (so called 'New Labout, New Life'), but when getting into power they broke that promise,and have subsequently thrown their weight and a lot of taxpayers' money behind the full support of the pharmaceutical companies. Why is that?

The Animal rights movement is more of a Direct Action movement rather then a protest movement. The difference is that protest groups focus swinging public opinion towards the cause while direct action groups are more concerned with stopping activites they disagree with either when public opinion is behind them and still nothing is being done or in the case of the animal rights movement when public opinion will never swing to their support.

The reason that they come under such pressure from the police and government is because of their success in achieving their aims rather because they have outraged public opinion. To say they should change their tactics to avoid coming under attack by the state is like saying that we should always avoid achieving our goals because once those goals have been achieved the state will retaliate.

Both of you say you dislike "extremists". Well you would not get many people who would condone violence, but lets get the "extremism" into context. Al Qaeda killed 4000 odd people in an act of violence. Suicide bombers, the IRA, Hizbollah, and other extremist groups have caused killing and carnage in support of their aims. Even Nelson Mandela's ANC caused some loss of life in their fight against apartheid, something that the West now seems to consider was a good thing.

In contrast, animal rights "extremists" have killed nobody. Some people injured Brian Cass, an action that was quickly condemned by even the Animal Liberation Front, a group that is probably the most "extreme" in the movement. So far all the violence, the bashings, the killings and the deprivation of liberty has been against animal campaigners. At least 3 campaigners have been murdered to my knowledge. And in one particularly despicable operation, US surgical used a gullible, mentally unstable woman to gain sympathy for their cause. They had no interest in the suffering they would cause this mentally ill woman by having her locked up, any more than they had any sympathy for the animals they torture in the name of "science". There is no proof that the grave robbery was by vivisectors wanting to discredit the animal rights movement, but it would not surprise me if it turns out to be the case. Such unscrupulous behaviour is not above them, in the same way the sea is not above the clouds.

And that is only counting the violence against humans. When you consider all the terrorist attacks on defenseless animals who have never done them any harm, then it is quite obvious who the violent terrorist extremists really are. To me, one of the sickest things about vivisection is that vivisectors prefer pound animals (ie somebody's well loved pet) because they are easy to handle. In other words, these animals have learned to trust humans, and these sick perverts are deliberately betraying that trust.

Next time you find examples of groups using violence and causing carnage just use the examples of the brutal regimes of Israel the US and the UK. That way u will maximise the number of people killed by terrorist organisations (aka the state) and make your argument a lot more effective.

You are of course quite right. I was addressing my remarks to those whose idea of "terrorism" is different from ours, and who seem to support state coercion, whether it is used against animal rights activists or Iraqui and Lebanese civilians.