Something has to be done with REDWATCH
Alexandros | 28.06.2006 17:40 | Anti-racism | Migration | Social Struggles | Liverpool
Dear friends,
Someone should do something about the fascist/nazi website www.redwatch.org.uk (and its different versions: www.redwatch.net and www.redwatch.co.uk)
They publish photographs of protestors (left-wing, communists, anti-nazis and anarchists) and they try to obtain information about names and addresses. Some people have been already attacked.
I do not know which is the best form of action as I do not really trust the police. Any ideas are welcome.
Alexandros
Someone should do something about the fascist/nazi website www.redwatch.org.uk (and its different versions: www.redwatch.net and www.redwatch.co.uk)
They publish photographs of protestors (left-wing, communists, anti-nazis and anarchists) and they try to obtain information about names and addresses. Some people have been already attacked.
I do not know which is the best form of action as I do not really trust the police. Any ideas are welcome.
Alexandros
Alexandros
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Antifash do the same
28.06.2006 18:17
Any political movement which fails to commit itself to peaceful means, and to respect the rights of those whom it disagrees with, including the right to meet and speak has no place in a democracy. Anyone claiming otherwise is a far greater fascist than the worst of the far right.
Redwatch dosn't deserve to be taken seriously, and I don't think many people do. If any assault has taken place on anyone 'featured' on redwatch, that is a matter for the police to take up with the persons responsible. Claiming that "redwatch told me he's a commie" won't sound that good as mitigation in court.
Peace.
RVR800
Oh please! It's Ant and Ant!
28.06.2006 20:16
Whatever happened to no platform?
Nazi Sniffer General
Who cares about Redwatch
28.06.2006 22:41
Gary
Lets do something positive !
28.06.2006 22:46
It's not a joke, it's not a game. You have to realise though that Redwatch has killed few if any, while decent 'god-fearing' 'socialists' have committed mass-genocide in Iraq for their leaders profit. So who deserves to be listed amongst the enemies of love ? Let's concentrate our fury on the Labourt party scum who infect us rather than the Nazi paedos who are incidental at best. Killing Nick Griffin - one point - killing ANY Labour party member - 100 points.
Danny
Red?
28.06.2006 23:00
It's funny that some of the snaps of 'reds' are just people at anti war demos.
One conciousness
Correction
28.06.2006 23:00
Still, the scum who commit torture/ abuse/ethnic-cleansing genocide abroad normally live here or in the US so why not take our anger out on those who really do deserve it - not the petty little moronic fascists but the ones who sell fascism as 'western-democracy', the local Labour party scum who seem like nice guys.
All you pacifists who are appalled by the thought of an eye for an eye, all I have to say is your inaction has murdered millions to your own profit. You deserve what is coming.
The Russians have almost got it. You murder a Russian abroad and you get killed. Any pensioner in the UK who doesn't question their pension fund investment - dead space, one more hypocritical killer who feels the other side of their two-sided sword. You murder someone by your silence, by your inaction, you can have no complaints when someone bombs you before you bomb them.
Nadny
Redwatch
28.06.2006 23:11
www.aryanunity.org is the BPP site
www.bpp.org.uk
Lentils are great
Why not inform the hosts?
29.06.2006 00:28
Redwatch UK is hosted by uncensored-hosting
Tracer route for Redwatch.net:
1 161.58.14.161 (161.58.14.161) 0.431 ms 0.270 ms 0.238 ms
2 ge-1-2-0.378.r01.stngva01.us.wh.verio.net (204.2.127.185) 53.398 ms * 3.356 ms
3 vl-5.r01.stngva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.27.190) 0.470 ms 0.360 ms 0.323 ms
4 xe-1-2-0.r20.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.84) 2.424 ms 0.921 ms 0.782 ms
5 p16-0.uunet.asbnva01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.9.70) 2.257 ms 2.077 ms 1.810 ms
6 0.so-5-0-0.XL1.DCA5.ALTER.NET (152.63.43.170) 1.758 ms 1.954 ms 8.390 ms
7 0.so-3-0-0.XL1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.98.121) 36.027 ms 38.113 ms 36.143 ms
8 POS6-0.GW1.DFW13.ALTER.NET (152.63.103.85) 36.066 ms 36.005 ms 36.083 ms
9 theplanet-gw.customer.alter.net (157.130.143.226) 35.694 ms 35.232 ms 35.197 ms
10 vl31.dsr01.dllstx3.theplanet.com (70.85.127.29) 44.182 ms 35.907 ms 35.692 ms
11 vl41.dsr01.dllstx4.theplanet.com (70.85.127.83) 120.083 ms 174.651 ms 207.745 ms
12 gi1-0-1.car07.dllstx4.theplanet.com (67.19.255.26) 36.215 ms 36.166 ms 36.171 ms
13 ns3.uncensored-hosting.com (67.19.97.178) 36.266 ms 36.598 ms 36.005 ms
The site breaches their terms of service as you can see here:
ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES: Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com services may not be used for illegal purposes, or in support of illegal activities. Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com reserves the right to cooperate with legal authorities and/or injured third parties in the investigation of any suspected crime or civil wrongdoing.
HARM OR ENDANGERMENT: You may not use Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com’s service to harm, or attempt to harm, minors in any way, including, but not limited to proliferation, or dissemination of child pornography, bestiality or any illegal content. This includes advertisments and/or links to such content. Client agrees not to use Photography by Gus/Uncensored-Hosting.com’s service to transmit any material (by e-mail, uploading, posting or otherwise) that threatens or encourages bodily harm or destruction of property.
Perhaps we should be good citizens and inform the hosts about this breach of their terms and conditions?
Left Comrade.
Left Comrade
Redwatch - the final solution
29.06.2006 02:48
From the site in question:
TO THOSE IN THE MEDIA WHO WILL BE WRITING ARTICLES ABOUT 'NAZI HITLISTS' AS SOON AS THEY FIND THAT REDWATCH IS BACK ONLINE, WE MAKE THIS OFFER - IF YOU CAN PERSUADE YOUR FRIENDS IN ANaL, ETC. TO REMOVE THEIR PAGES NAMING OUR PEOPLE FROM THEIR WEBSITES AND CEASE ATTEMPTING TO MAKE LIFE HELL FOR THEM, WE WILL FOLLOW SUIT AND THE REDWATCH PAGES WILL ALSO BE REMOVED. WE CAN'T BE ANY FAIRER THAN THAT CAN WE?
The solution is quite simple really, isn't it...
problem shooter
Indymedia Has Been Hijacked By Propagandering Neo-Nazis
29.06.2006 10:08
Most of the blatant fascist posts, and trolls, are the work of Nick (I'm so pretty) Cass, and Mark (I can't get a girlfriend) Collett, i.e. Mister Angry with the psycho eyes! They are the BNP's webmasters.
It's always the BNP photographers who take pictures at demos, who pass the pics to Redwatch.
Despite their public posturing, Eddy Morrison's BPP are really quite accomodating to the BNP, by using their photos taken outside the Leeds Crown Court, with open arms. Many recognisable BNP figures including local authoriuty candidates were taking pictures of the protestors, Redwatch the sole aim of all the cameras.
The police didn't give a shit!
So dudes, it's time to clean up Indymedia once and for all, and stop the fascist infliltration for good.
Linda Lovelace
Almost no original material
29.06.2006 10:29
Simon Sheppard, who lives near Hull is the person behind the domain registrations, the police know this, they don't care and do nothing. This has been on Indymedia many times before.
cut and paste job
Hmmmm
29.06.2006 10:33
Gus
Perspective
29.06.2006 10:42
(b) referring to fascists who have entered the public realm, by standing as candidates for local elections,
or (c) doing invetigations for the public good, protecting Britain from race hate, which NEVER CAN BE JUSTIFIED MORALLY.
Even unofficial internet anti-nazi websites do refer to individuals, rarely do they supply photos attached to names and faces (trolls might do such a thing, to pin the blame to anti-racists, to try to argue in favour of Redwatch) Often such individuals are male, and have vilent pasts, not that it is recommended to publish addresses and phone numbers.
When "Redwatch" features photographs of anti-racist protestors, they are normally ordinary members of the public, including.......
(a) students
(b) elderly pacifists including Christians
(c) women and children, including families
(d) anti-war protestors (who aren't even necessarily protesting against neo-Nazis like the BNP - why are they there??? - if so called self-defence is listed as a motivation by the defenders of pure hate, and that's all Redwatch is, anti-war protestors shouldn't even be on the website. I thought the BNP said "they supposedly didn't support the War in Iraq" - what the f*cking hell?????)
Race hate, fear, and the triumph of Adolf Hitler's legacy, are the only motivations for dojg this.
The violence initiated from the professionally-organised neo-Nazi Redwatch site, is far more severe from any unofficial, amateurish anti-nazi hitlist, (if they do indeed exist, and aren't the work of nazi trolls)
Publishing pictures, names, and faces of ordinary, law abiding members of the public who feel strongly about social injustice, like Redwatch does, IS NOT NEWS, GODDAMN IT!!! The sole aim of the Redwatch is to incite murder, arsen, and violence, not simply to disrupt the lives of anti-racist protestors to make themselves heard...
Their aim, is to make ordinary people too scared to join in protests against the neo-Nazi BNP. The man who was almost murdered on his own doorstep, Mr McFadden had coordinated a campaign against the British National Party, and this was why he almost killed by BNP supporters. When is the last time a BNP member was almost stabbed to death because of supposed "anti-fascist hitlists"?
Generating fear is an old fascist tactic.
The less people who turn up for anti-racist demos, the better the small number of BNP supporters, look, when the television reporters turn up. That is the aim of Redwatch, to make the BNP appeal stronger. So much for the BNP and the BPP not bieing on spaking terms. The BNP are the only neo-Nazi beneficaries of Redwatch.
Philosophically, racism is evil, (morally negative) and its defence CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
One day, racists will be locked up for life, and we can all sleep comfortably in their beds.
Shell
Holy America
29.06.2006 10:57
The Redwatch site is hosted in the good old US of A. Praise Be The Lord! for such an affirmed Christian nation to not love they neighbour.
Al Quida websites hosted in the USA are closed down immediately, but racist terror websites (the Oklahoma City Bomb, the Bologna Massacre, and the Admiral Duncan pub bombing, and Brick Lane acts of terror), are allowed to continue. Even America's oldest terrorist organisation, the Ku Klux Klan are allowed a full web presence, and are linked through the Redwatch website. The Ku Klux Klan have murdered thousands of people since their invention, when Confererate pro-slavery forces were defeated, and a bunch of "redneck white terrorists" decided to keep the flame alive.
Nick Griffin is the best friend of white terrorist, and former Klan leader David Duke. Thus the BNP and Redwatch/Blood And Honour are iterlinked. White Supremacists, despite their individual differences, do work together to spread hatred and fear around the globe, just like Al Quida's alleged terror network.
Even worse, race hate, foremost isn't even based on religious dogma, and closed minds entrapped by religious fundamentalism. People like Nick Griffin and Mark Collett worship Adolf Hitler and eugenicists.
America's freedom of speech is a millstone around its neck, used to maintain "divide and conquer rule over minorities, to help increasse corporate profits through mainitaining a black and Hispanic, and Muslim underclass which will do all the crappiest jobs, keeping down presecuted people from social advancement.
With the torture of innocent people in their military colonies, America is, indeed a racist country.
Sarah
Go back to sleep antifascists. Your government is in control again. Not!
29.06.2006 15:41
Parliamentary Under-Secretary for the Home Office Vernon Coaker went on about how "the government deplore extremism of that kind", and vaguely promised to "raise all the issues that have been mentioned in the debate with the internet service providers the next time I meet them".
Since Merseyside TUC President Alec McFadden is a constituent of Angela Eagle, this whole thing is just a way of getting herself in the papers. She certainly didn't seem to care about the hundreds of thousands in Iraq she voted to kill. As for the Home Office, they seem much too concerned with their own racist attacks on immigrants and Muslims to be worried about a few 'reds'.
We can't go running to the government to protect us from a few internet thugs. Community-based action is what's needed. Antifascists are the overwhelming majority in this country!
Ad Nauseam
photographers
29.06.2006 16:34
hope this helps
pic expert
A question for the photo expert
29.06.2006 18:12
Dan
reading exif
29.06.2006 20:14
a simple way to remove it is to save your image as a bitmap and then convert it back to jpeg by resaving it, all info will be lost, unfortunatly they have reposted the images with it striped out yesterday
find out more here
pic expert
Thanks
29.06.2006 20:48
Just to pick your brains further, are there ways to identify non-digital cameras from photographs ?
PS is that an unique serial number on the camera and is there any way to trace it ? I'm a firm believer in using the law, or any other bullying force, to my advantage when I can. It's just a couple of my friends are on Redwatch and while I'd be willing to kick the webmasters to hospital, a criminal conviction would satisfy my sense of fair-play.
Danny
Updates
30.06.2006 12:43
FC United had a problem earlier on in the season when some BNP pricks tried to spread their propaganda amongst the fans. They were quickly seen off, by a concerted campaign by the fans and board who approached them directly.
They have now put a photo on Redwatch of a load of fans who just happened to be standing near to one of the people involved, but, thick twats that they are, have taken it from the website of the official club photographer who has copyrighted his work. The people who own the copyright have every intention of taking the site through legal proceedings for unlawful use of their copyrighted work.
MUFCUM
Don't forget the real fascists
01.07.2006 09:44
Seeds for change
Well ASBO Redwatch
07.07.2006 00:18
It would seem that ASBOS have been granted against racial hatred supporters. Redwatch could reform its language. But clearly the structure of the sites demonstrates that it is specifically targeting different geographical areas in a methodical fashion. It could reform its site structure. It does target specific people. Which ensures the organisers are open to an ASBO.
It also happens that the home office would like to see a rise in cosmetic convictions for incitement to racial hatred. Now Redwatch is not interested in that. Redwatch is interested in "reds". (In other words ordinary decent people). The problem for Redwatch is that it does not highlight fascists in the same fashion so, unlike indymedia, it has a definite agenda. Which is one open to an ASBO.
In general this is an area of some research.
As the website is located in the United States it might be of interest to the Southern Poverty Law Center. The SPLC maintains an interest in hate crimes.
And are always interested to hear about the activities of the neofascists.
Inciting a crime from the US in another country is possibly worth more than five years in pokey. Not something I wish on anybody. But any crime with more than five years sentence is worth extradition - if it's good enough for Nat West employees then it's good enough for neofascists.
It may not make much sense. But using Searchlight's standard e-mail to Doctor Reid should be done. It builds the case for an ASBO.
Another Leftist Technologist
sceptically uniformed
your not wanted at FC
25.07.2006 02:30
red army faction
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