Very strongly agreed deadly, with minor reservations about your last but two sentence ('If this shit............'). Nice one. (There is 'a third way' between 'counterculture' and 'the mainstream'.)
Ian

...unless they then tried to stab you, shouting "go back to the butchers you fucking carni", then shoved shit through your letterbox and got the local kids to throw some stones*

The fly=baby thing is daft but the specism argument is a valid one and it is a prejudice just like racism with arguably just as much misery caused through it - even 'dumb animals' can feel pain, fear and discomfort. Millions are raised and slaughtered for our use and most of us haven't a clue in what conditions they were born, lived or died.

On the fly=baby thing, we can understand it on the levels of consciousness. Therefore maybe 1,000,000 flies = 1 baby. Then again you could argue on the basis of the feelings of other conscious beings like parents and stuff. So maybe forget flies.

But an adult dolphin has the intelligence of a seven year old, so in case of starvation and given the choice between adult dolphin and human baby, you should eat the baby first. Unless you're being specist, in which case you'll eat the dolphin. Unless you're, like, committed to not eating anyone else - in which case you starve to death.

In more likely circumstances, free range meat and an awareness of the issue should be accepted as 'doing your bit'. Vegetarianism or veganism is a fine thing to consider but the extremism thing is not needed cos we can all get extreme and shouty an all that and it don't help and we end up blowing shit up like George Bush - kaboooom!!! Tony Blair - kaboooom!!! Steve Rider - kaboooom!!! all fun in the beginning and then it ends in tears etc etc


*if they are doing that then it's a bit on top, I'd agree.

you are clearly unable to think for yourself,
I merely agree with every word steve says.

you are merely following a stylised agenda of not actually addressing the points,
you are typical of people that tolerate the lunatic element.

And what was the point of that exactly...? I am not vegan or vegetarian but do think there are some good arguments to be had over whether specism is a prejudice that blinds the majority to the suffering of animals. I also agree that extremism is bad, whether Nazi's or Religious Fundementalists or Fundementalist Vegans - however I would argue that they should be tolerated if they are not actually trying to behead you or gas you or feed you lentils till you explode. KaBoooooommmm....!!!

I have no idea who Martin Webster is. Neither does my friend Carlos Barcode, whose recent comments on the subject seem to have been censored.
I would appreciate it if Mr Webster would get his facts straight when making public statements about people he doesn't even know.

Aye, thanks Steve my old chum. Being the son of an Innuit father and an Aboriginal Australian mother I strongly resent being accused of being anti-immigration.
That said I am more worried by people who try to quantify the value of human life in terms of numbers of flies than I am by people who stand for border control.

Both Carlos and Steve are innocent fellows, though I resent Carlos a bit, because of his high IQ.


Now we both support Carlos and Steve, but would not like to be eaten (even by them, cute guys)

So here again our famous poem for Matilda's funeral rites to be held this Monday night-Tuesday early morning. Please bring along some flowers will you?





MATILDA RIP



Requiescat in Pacem, dear Matilda
To revive and flourish Some Other Time
Dream of Us who always dreamt of You
Let's sleep in oblivion for a While

It was a summer solstice in two thousand and six
The day they came with laws on their hands
To get things right --they said. To fix
Your demolition As it was planned;

Your funeral will be held in Days
But we rejoice 'coz you'll never Die
Neither in June, July nor May
So requiescat, Matilda, say goodbye

To the good old nights when songs and play
Were your only nurture, Mum;
Let me weave flowers in your Hair
Let me arrange your Hairbun.





By A Vegan Mole and a Vegan Rat

Flood the country, that's what I say. We're all immigrants.

Is he well known? Can't say I have heard of him until this posting. What shadows has he been lurking in?