Well it was last time I looked and Noel the guy behind it was as arrogant as the rest of those SWP fuckwits? Has it changed? If it has then OK, otherwise I would question it being on the front page of IMC – Noel are you still a SWP closed minded clone?

Warning: Jugendorganisation Eurasia is National Bolshevik front, and were present at this 'Eco-n-action' event last year, featuring some of the same groups. We have already has serious shit with the PGA newtwork for flirting with fascists - see  http://antisystemic.org/pga/Choice_Of_Fascists.htm

Asim,
WEZ

Eco-n-action - 09.11.2005, 15:07:27

Gast Weil's sicher noch nicht alle gesehen haben, schieb ich die Kongressankündigung noch mal nach oben.
Dazu vielleicht Beispiele aus dem Programm: Die Ukraine im Prozess der Globalisierung [Leonid Savin, Jugendorganisation Eurasia, Ukraine]; WTO und Aserbaidschan - Realitäten und Perspektiven [Babir Mehdiyev, Baku, Aserbaidschan]; Aktueller Stand der WTO-Verhandlungen [Chris Methmann, Attac, Hamburg]; Samba als Widerstandsform - (bisschen) Theorie und (viel) Praxis [Rhythms of Resistance, Berlin]; WTO und Freihandel für EinsteigerInnen [Jörg Erdmann, BUNDjugend, Flensburg]; Konzerne für EinsteigerInnen [Cornelia Heydenreich, Germanwatch, Berlin]; und viele bunte Aktionsworkshops...
mehr unter www.eco-n-action.de

This is the centre feature? Tell me is your 'movement' just made up of middle class glove trotters and wannabe media people? ( see also mayday and the shitty thieving 'party' scene )

I'm sure it will be very 'nice' though. Arts Council grant anybody?

There's no shortage of wankers with video cameras at demos or ,artists, mostly thinking social change is putting on druggy parties ( and no academic gibshit conferences ) whilst yogurt weaving round the globe etc. etc. There is a shortage of everybody else ( working class people for one thing ). I hope you are more diverse but based on past experiences I very much doubt it.

You do sound like a bunch of hippies! But I do hope you won't be burning up too much diesel on your travels!

We've lost.

Eh, this project doesn't seem to have anything to do the Movement of the Imagination, the feature just links to it as an other example of an art and activism initiative. Secondly it has got absolutely nothing to do with 'Jugendorganisation Eurasia'...

Just because some groups that they're gonna meet were at some event where they met some other groups who where at the same event that were blah blah blah... what a load of bollocks. Of course this project has no affiliation with fascist groups...

Alan wrote:

There's no shortage of wankers with video cameras at demos or ,artists, mostly thinking social change is putting on druggy parties ( and no academic gibshit conferences ) whilst yogurt weaving round the globe etc. etc. There is a shortage of everybody else ( working class people for one thing ). I hope you are more diverse but based on past experiences I very much doubt it. You do sound like a bunch of hippies! But I do hope you won't be burning up too much diesel on your travels!

Yeah right Alan. It's always so easy to slag off what others do, isn't it? These people actually work on others forms of activism and broadening the spectrum of this so called 'social movement' instead of being stuck in the same old cliches like yourself. Grow up.

its true that there are people who represent the arts/activism movement badly, but any social scene, especially activism is going to have those kinds of people jumbled in amongst people who are giving momentum and vision to a movement dedicated to genuine positive social change.
This caravan is a group of young people who are lifting themselves out of the very cliches that have been posted against them (highly unconstuctive), by DOING SOMETHING about it.
here is an example of people who appear to be very active, well trained and eager to take what they've learned on a local level and use it conscienciously on an international level. these people clearly stand out amongst reams of space wasters.
You cannot criticise middleclass, and then criticise arts council funding, where are people going to every get money without falling into another cliche in that case,- next you'll be saying 'bloody tin shakers'?
middleclass? not a crime.. sometimes it takes people with the means and the opportunities.
wannabe media? this is a media website remember? documentation is important.
hippies? since when do creative people with social conscience bear any likeness to your parents on drugs listening to the mamas and papas!
globetrotters? hardly, jus because they're from all over, doesn't make them air-mile junkies. the caravan seems focused and well connected, and its only responsible on a project like this to use people from various backgrounds, in terms of nationality and training. the host groups appear to be influential in their areas, exciting and receptive.
I am truly excited to follow the caravans progress on indymedia and through the eyfa website, people need to start responding to these political issues by empowering people to respond in a creative productive way, that encourages unity, as this appears to be doing
this is a very powerful artform, when used wisely,
i trust this caravan of misfits though.

good luck

a misfit.

For me, this article is more an expression for professional activists trying to make out their way of life would be the one and only solution to society's problems and an arrogancy that everybody would have to assimilate their lifestyle to their approven model. I don't agree with this analysis or the practical outcome of this philosophy.
As exiting and entertaining this art caravan might be for the participants, it seems to be pretty irrelevant to me, apart as a way of making connections with other progressive, libertarian groups but that is no reason to be advertised on indymedia, particular if it is organised by and for a closed group.
In conclusion, I am pretty disappointed that this article - as well researched and linked up as it be, makes the middle column, as for me, this way of promoting one particular way of life, seems to be more repressive than liberating.
I do think art has a place as a way of getting politics across, but in an inclusive way, but not in this promotional style, it seems to me more as a justification for some elite activists to travel the world whilstsecuring for themselves self-centred holiday entertainment..
Well, good luck anyways.

yes most of the discussion is coming from life style activists... the problem of undead vampires, more working class than you... making money... profesheralisam...

A positive point: the problem of all the video cameras at demos its a good argument FOR the caravan, as people with cameras generally have no idea what to do with the images - I for one am setting out to pass on the skills and connect them to the global network so that THEY can do something useful with the images... otherwise I agree with the posters it is dispiriting to see all those cameras and then to no that it is all just life style - NOTHING will come of them - so get off your ASSES and organize a skills caravan and make the world you wont rather than gassing about it on IMC... the revolution will only happen if we stop wanking about and get real - could add the word professional there just to wind up a minority of life style activists (:

Skill sharing to build real alternatives is the way to go, will this caravan do that? It might.

Criticism: "It's an advertisement."
For what? A bunch of people blagged funding for a trip across Europe. Why advertising it? The trip takes place whether we know about it or not, and funding usually doesn't rely on the numbers who participated in a project.

Criticism: "arrogance."
"ab" worries about the arrogance of the project, that the caravan would force their lifestyle on everybody else. What if it is the other way round? So that it is not the caravan people who teach the "backwards" Eastern Europeans about how to do creative politics, but the people they meet during their trip who teach them something? An educational project for western activists, enlarging their horizons? And the workshops could be a present that you bring your hosts?

Criticism: "irrelevant"
That caravan is not the revolution. But the model is interesting: Funding from the arts council, maybe the European Union (Youth education? Democratic participation? EU-enlargement?) sponsors a bunch of activists to go out and make new connections. The proof of the pudding will be the eating. Will the caravan remain an exciting holiday for a handfull of activists who are savvy, connected and priviledged enough to get access to funding? Or will it spawn new connections, link in with existing social movements - euromayday, precarity, migration...? This depends on the attitude of those who participate.
Should indymedia only report about accomplished projects, things that are fully successful, well integrated, in tune with the activist calendar? Or do we have use for inspiration from different angles - from the art world for the art of fundraising, from eyfa for the balancing act between reformist institution and activist infrastructure etc?

"The proof of the pudding..."
The caravan website doesn't say much about the political background. No explicit connection to the G8 in Russia this year, for instance, nothing about the issue of migration from Eastern Europe to Western Europe and the legal, economical, cultural, political changes this brings about. Nothing about how art can be beneficial to social movements, or how the most radical arty idea can get trapped in the art galeries of this world if it is not connected to wider political issues, if it doesn't transgress the boundaries of "culture". It just talks about the joys of art in activism, brainstorming and networking. Nothing about how the participating artists are making decisions either - have they simply been "commissioned" to do a job? Or was the project developed on a collaborative basis? Are the "artist-activist skills" going to be put into practice in public interventions?

Yes, from what has been made public, this project seems rather conventional. But who knows what's behind the smooth surface of the website. I would give them the benefit of the doubt.

[I hope you will consider what I wish to share, and tell me if a bias sets in and thwarts your interest or gets you hot and bothered to the point that you would recommend censoring me.]

Consider the following riddle as a creative way in which to have dialogue without stirring up fierce disagreements. So, bear with me and see if you know the answer to the riddle.


Here are the clues to the riddle:

1. Those who discover the keys to this prophecy will open ears to hear and eyes to see.

2. The enlightened will shorten the days of the tribulation written herein by revealing the mystery of that written on the inside and that written on the outside.

3. “The nations were astonished and abhorred by what had been hidden behind the veil and kept secret from the foundations of this earth, yet they found no reason to be vengeful. They were quick to forgive all who confessed that they neither held the keys to the kingdom of God, which could have shortened the days of the tribulation written herein, nor the keys to the kingdoms of men, which have prolonged the days of the tribulation written herein.”

4. The oppressor will be unable to prolong the days of the tribulation written herein, because he did not hold the keys to the “kingdom of God”.

5. The suppressor will be unable to shut what will open, because he would not open what he kept shut in the kingdoms of men.

6. Let those who were last in the kingdoms of men, bring forth the things written herein, and let those who were first in the kingdoms of men show us worthy dissent.

7. Who will forward the judgment, who will silently sit by, and who will be unable to do either?



If you think you know what the riddle is referring to, stretch your thoughts with the next riddle, then come back and tell me the answer to both riddles. Whoever answers first is the winner.

You will find the next riddle here:

 https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/5807/index.php

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